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Hexigrammus posted:There wouldn't even be anyone lobbing explosives during the operation. Give the occupation another week and there might be.
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Feb 5, 2022 03:46
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Hexigrammus posted:Does Canada's military not have the equipment and expertise to extract large pieces of heavy machinery from swamps? Semi tractors on pavement should be a piece of cake. There wouldn't even be anyone lobbing explosives during the operation. Buddy, I wouldn't even trust them alone in a room with a woman.
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Feb 5, 2022 03:53
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Another Bill posted:Buddy, I wouldn't even trust them alone in a room with a woman. lol I really don't want the military sent in, that's one hell of an escalation Just stop the loving fuel and water going in, if they can't run their heaters all night they'll have to leave
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Feb 5, 2022 03:58
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The army is not going in. Ever. Period. 1) yes they have heavy wreckers that can tow tanks, tractor trailers are easy 2) you cannot use local units. So you'd have to use east/west coast units for Ottawa, central for Alberta, etc. 3) the logistics would be a nightmare 4) the optics would be hilarious 5) guaranteed there would be some troops disobeying lawful orders and court challenges
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Feb 5, 2022 04:31
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MA-Horus posted:The army is not going in. Ever. Period. Just watch me.
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Feb 5, 2022 04:41
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eXXon posted:Just watch me. Justin is not Pierre Truckfucklers are not the FLQ The scenarios are completely different
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Feb 5, 2022 04:51
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MA-Horus posted:The army is not going in. Ever. Period. Yep. We have an old-fashioned civilian vs civilian fight on our hands.
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Feb 5, 2022 05:01
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MA-Horus posted:
Could you explain this point? I understood the others but I don't know why you can't use local units
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Feb 5, 2022 05:21
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Soldiers with guns In our cities In Canada We did not make this up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unNZtCH9Mdo
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Feb 5, 2022 06:05
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Servetus posted:Could you explain this point? I understood the others but I don't know why you can't use local units I would expect this to only actually matter in dictatorships where local units may be sympathetic and join a riot instead of suppressing it. That said our military is probably so unreliable and small that you have to import soldiers from other provinces, truly a mark of a first world nation with a strong government and military.
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Feb 5, 2022 06:27
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And the idea that you'd need out of town units to suppress the rioters seems particularly odd given that the protesters are at least claiming to be non local themselves...
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Feb 5, 2022 07:28
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Toronto only needs a tiny bit more snow before the army is called in anyways. Might as well make it a twofer.
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Feb 5, 2022 07:29
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Servetus posted:Could you explain this point? I understood the others but I don't know why you can't use local units You don't particularly want cpl Joe bloggins from your local army reserve unit to be a target because he hosed up your trukk equity with a heavy wrecker Personal anecdote time: i was in a reserves unit in Hamilton during the start of the Caledonia occupation, when there was talk about sending in the army to clear out the occupiers. Some morons in my unit were vocal about how excited they were to go bust some skulls, until our CO calmly explained how loving stupid that was, and IF the army did go in it would be a Reg Force unit from Quebec or the Prairies. MA-Horus fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Feb 5, 2022 14:19
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The really stupid thing is that any need or desire for the armed forces could've been easily avoided by simply enforcing the law early on. People have a right to protest; trucks do not. Let the people protest as is legally allowed provided it's peaceful, but it was ridiculous from the point that there was a concerted effort to use physically damaging levels of noise (something that would be considered torture if done by a government) on a sustained basis, to consider this a simple protest. The Ottawa police failed, hard.
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Feb 5, 2022 14:32
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https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...rd-gauthier.php The organizer for the Quebec City protest is complaining that the police is being too harsh because they're actually giving out tickets. quote:Certains conducteurs tournaient donc en rond autour de la colline Parlementaire en klaxonnant. Un camionneur présent s’est plaint qu’on lui avait imposé une amende de 1000 $ pour avoir donné des coups de klaxon, après avoir été averti par les policiers de ne pas le faire. D’autres participants du convoi ont affirmé avoir été délogés d’un stationnement par les policiers. Lol. These idiots are just running around aimlessly in their trucks, getting 1k$ tickets for every honk. Good poo poo. https://twitter.com/SPVQ_police/status/1489706298283278337 SPVQ announces that no camping will be tolerated, and that includes makeshift sheds and people sleeping in trucks. Not a fan of police, but Quebec City isn't loving around. In fairness, this is the Carnaval week-end and Quebec City LOVES its Carnaval.
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Feb 5, 2022 14:53
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quote:Certains conducteurs tournaient donc en rond autour de la colline Parlementaire en klaxonnant. Un camionneur présent s’est plaint qu’on lui avait imposé une amende de 1000 $ pour avoir donné des coups de klaxon, après avoir été averti par les policiers de ne pas le faire. D’autres participants du convoi ont affirmé avoir été délogés d’un stationnement par les policiers. "que est-ce vous allez faire? Me donnez une amande?" -Homme qui a recu une amande
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Feb 5, 2022 15:08
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This clip of Chris Sky being mean to cops until they retreat en masse is unbelievable. https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/1489964859450134528
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Feb 5, 2022 15:27
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MA-Horus posted:You don't particularly want cpl Joe bloggins from your local army reserve unit to be a target because he hosed up your trukk equity with a heavy wrecker But, I've yet to see anything from upper leadership that shows they know what they're doing, or that they consider such things. Basically, I think your assertions that it won't happen gives too much credit to the clowns that allowed this to carry on this far.
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Feb 5, 2022 16:32
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I think even Trudeau knows sending in the military would be the worst possible response because it would perfectly play into the Flu Trux Klan's victimhood complex and only bolster their resolve.
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Feb 5, 2022 16:54
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https://twitter.com/hsinskip/status/1489989417477496834 Cops and the city have given up.
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Feb 5, 2022 16:58
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Piquai Souban posted:https://twitter.com/hsinskip/status/1489989417477496834 How does this even happen, what the gently caress
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Feb 5, 2022 17:04
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Imagine Jan 6 except Congress's isn't there and instead there fled to their homes and the protestors are just given free reign to do whatever they want for weeks
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Feb 5, 2022 17:07
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Gros Tarla posted:How does this even happen, what the gently caress
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Feb 5, 2022 17:11
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DynamicSloth posted:We treated the cops like they could do no wrong and their annual budget increase was sacred and inviolable for decades? Yeah, I know, but still. You'd think they'd want to minimally save face by uh.. not allowing horsemen to roam and pillage the capital. The worse part is that all of this will likely lead to further increase in police funding under the guise of security.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:13
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Excuse the dumb question from an American, but where the gently caress are Canadian antifascists throughout all this? The only tale of anyone resisting the occupation I've spotted are a handful of residents blocking their street to the convoy.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:15
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Cugel the Clever posted:Excuse the dumb question from an American, but where the gently caress are Canadian antifascists throughout all this? The only tale of anyone resisting the occupation I've spotted are a handful of residents blocking their street to the convoy. Anyone who can afford to live in Ottawa is probably a white supremacist, let's be real here.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:22
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Cugel the Clever posted:Excuse the dumb question from an American, but where the gently caress are Canadian antifascists throughout all this? The only tale of anyone resisting the occupation I've spotted are a handful of residents blocking their street to the convoy. Most of the left wing orgs in Ottawa told their people to stay off the streets, there's very little to do against several thousand Fash with vehicles, an unknown number of guns, and full support from the police. Trucks get vandalized in the night, and egged in daylight, but the police presence limits the amount of resistance that is possible. No point in getting beaten down and arrested, or killed, when there is no chance of making an impact. The police have officers all over downtown, and the convoy's staging area is immediately east of RCMP headquarters: any active resistance must be covert or it will be smashed by the cops. Bleck posted:Anyone who can afford to live in Ottawa is probably a white supremacist, let's be real here. gently caress Off!
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Feb 5, 2022 17:23
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This pretty much ends any belief I have in a functional government and rule of law in western countries. It was all a mirage built on people following polite suggestions rather than ironclad rules. It’s clear the police support this bullshit and there’s a double standard here. If any climate activist group tried to pull this poo poo the cops would be out there smashing heads. So the message is loud and clear. You have all the rights in the world as long as you’re white, old and a right winger. Or you have access to heavy machinery. I’m amazed the black bloc hasn’t shown up yet with Molotov cocktails.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:29
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Why don't the Ottawa locals drive them out on their own? The protesters are sitting in the middle of enemy territory and are extremely vulnerable. Get to work, Ottawa.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:32
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Servetus posted:Most of the left wing orgs in Ottawa told their people to stay off the streets, there's very little to do against several thousand Fash with vehicles, an unknown number of guns, and full support from the police. Trucks get vandalized in the night, and egged in daylight, but the police presence limits the amount of resistance that is possible. No point in getting beaten down and arrested, or killed, when there is no chance of making an impact. The police have officers all over downtown, and the convoy's staging area is immediately east of RCMP headquarters: any active resistance must be covert or it will be smashed by the cops. It'll be interesting to see what happens when American CHUDs inevitably try to copycat this. I'd be surprised if trucks weren't torched in the night, police presence or not.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:34
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Why don't the Ottawa locals drive them out on their own? The protesters are sitting in the middle of enemy territory and are extremely vulnerable. Get to work, Ottawa. Seriously. Even a basic one page primer on urban warfare would be enough to get rid of these fuckers. They’re fragile privileged white men. It’s a paper tiger that will cower and retreat at the first sign of serious violent opposition. They’re just used to getting away with everything because of their obvious privilege. When G8 protestors and climate protestors tried to occupy territory the cops would wipe up and start destroying water supplies, kettling protestors and marching in with full riot gear to bust heads. Here there’s nothing. The message being sent here is the government is too weak to stop, unable to control the police anymore or is actively supporting it.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:37
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Why don't the Ottawa locals drive them out on their own? The protesters are sitting in the middle of enemy territory and are extremely vulnerable. Get to work, Ottawa.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:39
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Cugel the Clever posted:I'd be surprised if trucks weren't torched in the night, police presence or not.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:43
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Cugel the Clever posted:Excuse the dumb question from an American, but where the gently caress are Canadian antifascists throughout all this? The only tale of anyone resisting the occupation I've spotted are a handful of residents blocking their street to the convoy. Hopefully you're going to see a LOT of antifascists coming out to play this afternoon. Orders be damned. I'm heading down to the Toronto counter rally shortly, with a camera. I don't plan on getting too 'into it' but who knows.
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Feb 5, 2022 17:53
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Sashimi posted:Honestly, I had a shower thought today wondering how long it will take before someone who hasn't slept since this started and has nowhere else to go basically goes mental and chucks a molotov cocktail or some other improvised weapon from their condo balcony at some chud's truck. Hope your city doesn't burn, Ottawa goons. (sincerely, wishing you stay safe.)
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Feb 5, 2022 17:55
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B33rChiller posted:That unlicensed fuel cache in one of the twitter pics earlier screamed "HUGE FIRE HAZARD" at me, and got me worried of the same. They moved it from the place right next to the NAC, but they still have it in a different location, I'm worried the new location may be closer to where people live. With all that propane and diesel in a small space it's really more of an actual bomb than just a fire hazard, which is one reason I'm thankful we haven't resorted to molotovs yet; a lot of innocent people in those buildings could get hurt if a spark catches and that all goes at once. Servetus fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Feb 5, 2022 17:58
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ilmucche posted:"que est-ce vous allez faire? Me donnez une amande?" -Homme qui a recu une amande This is good content.
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Feb 5, 2022 18:26
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I'm going to be honest, I don't think anything that violent is necessary to disperse these chucklefucks. You get somebody throwing water balloons on them, or slashing their tires and they're going to scatter.
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Feb 5, 2022 18:26
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Kraftwerk posted:Seriously. Even a basic one page primer on urban warfare would be enough to get rid of these fuckers. They’re fragile privileged white men. It’s a paper tiger that will cower and retreat at the first sign of serious violent opposition. They’re just used to getting away with everything because of their obvious privilege.
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Feb 5, 2022 18:37
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KingKalamari posted:I'm going to be honest, I don't think anything that violent is necessary to disperse these chucklefucks. You get somebody throwing water balloons on them, or slashing their tires and they're going to scatter. It's my opinion that cold water could be dangerous given the temperatures. I advise a body-temperature liquid.
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Feb 5, 2022 18:47
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