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Probably Magic posted:Didn't the French have better relationship with the natives than the English? Like, that's what sparked the whole Pontiac Rebellion, right, was the natives getting mad they were getting way shittier trade deals and border enforcement than when the French were around. I did an effortpost on this a long time ago but basically the French had better relations with indigenous people because their colonial position was much weaker than the English so they weren't usually able to operate from a position of superiority. In isolated incidents where they were in positions of power, and in colonies where they were more numerous, the French were just as violent and oppressive as the English were. So the general answer is: yes, but not as a result of their colonial project being in any way more intentionally humane
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vyelkin posted:this thread has been quite something lately now you know how trudeau feels
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Omnicarus posted:Poutine is pretty good but Tourtière is better i mean torture pie is great and all but a good poutine and a cold beer is real hard to beat
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skewetoo posted:I feel like this crisis hasn't reached peak dumb yet lol which one? also, i agree
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Omnicarus posted:Poutine is pretty good but Tourtière is better I wish it was possible to find a decent creton anywhere in the Maritimes
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Probably Magic posted:Didn't the French have better relationship with the natives than the English? Like, that's what sparked the whole Pontiac Rebellion, right, was the natives getting mad they were getting way shittier trade deals and border enforcement than when the French were around. Yes. One of Canada’s better military historians just wrote a book about it: Raiders from New France “Though the French and British colonies in North America began on a 'level playing field', French political conservatism and limited investment allowed the British colonies to forge ahead, pushing into territories that the French had explored deeply but failed to exploit. The subsequent survival of 'New France' can largely be attributed to an intelligent doctrine of raiding warfare developed by imaginative French officers through close contact with Indian tribes and Canadian settlers. The ground-breaking new research explored in this study indicates that, far from the ad hoc opportunism these raids seemed to represent, they were in fact the result of a deliberate plan to overcome numerical weakness by exploiting the potential of mixed parties of French soldiers, Canadian backwoodsmen and allied Indian warriors. Supported by contemporary accounts from period documents and newly explored historical records, this study explores the 'hit-and-run' raids which kept New Englanders tied to a defensive position and ensured the continued existence of the French colonies until their eventual cession in 1763.”
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vyelkin posted:I did an effortpost on this a long time ago but basically the French had better relations with indigenous people because their colonial position was much weaker than the English so they weren't usually able to operate from a position of superiority. In isolated incidents where they were in positions of power, and in colonies where they were more numerous, the French were just as violent and oppressive as the English were. So the general answer is: yes, but not as a result of their colonial project being in any way more intentionally humane That makes a fair amount of sense and also explains why the Spanish easily had the worst interactions with the indigenous people, because they had the numbers and initial blessing from the Pope to screw around in the Western Hemisphere more.
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vyelkin posted:I did an effortpost on this a long time ago but basically the French had better relations with indigenous people because their colonial position was much weaker than the English so they weren't usually able to operate from a position of superiority. In isolated incidents where they were in positions of power, and in colonies where they were more numerous, the French were just as violent and oppressive as the English were. So the general answer is: yes, but not as a result of their colonial project being in any way more intentionally humane Yeah consider how they treated Algeria where their position was far far more secure and easier to reinforce
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Probably Magic posted:Didn't the French have better relationship with the natives than the English? Like, that's what sparked the whole Pontiac Rebellion, right, was the natives getting mad they were getting way shittier trade deals and border enforcement than when the French were around. I mean there was stil a lot of problems and racism but it is somewhat true that France as an empire was much more focused in the carribean and Africa for it’s brutal exploration colonies and the North had less institutionalized savagery, just by the fact that the trade goods they prized up here, furs at the time, came from dealing with natives rather than displacing them, and didn’t demand the occupation the Caribbean colonies did. different European cultures had different ambitions with regard to what they were looking for in colonies, constrained by practicality for shipment and technology and the like. But ‘enlightenment’ eugenics comes for every culture eventually, once material incentives put enough preassure; by the mid 1800s loving with natives is pretty broad spectrum across the continent, and French Canada is no different. CaptainACAB isn’t wrong that Québécois have participated in a lot of bad poo poo in that regard Ron Paul Atreides has issued a correction as of 21:36 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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mediaphage posted:lol at canadians of any stripe pretending like they pronounce literally anything “correctly” Until Canada learns how to pronounce "Lieutenant" we can forever shut the gently caress up about any other country's pronunciation
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TheKingofSprings posted:Until Canada learns how to pronounce "Lieutenant" we can forever shut the gently caress up about any other country's pronunciation It's a word crime on the level of Colonel. I will spell colour with a "u" but I will not abide that nonsense.
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what is an interesting conversation for another thread is the shifts in how natives are viewed and dealt with as the hunger for more land to sell to immigrants becomes stronger; go back to the 1650s and the way most North American intellectuals talk about Natives is starkly different then 2 centuries later. Kinda demonstrates the material dialectic and material basis of ideologies quite aptly
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TheKingofSprings posted:Until Canada learns how to pronounce "Lieutenant" we can forever shut the gently caress up about any other country's pronunciation lol the one that drives me batty (for no reason, i'm not really much of a prescriptivist) is how so many people in canada pronounce asphalt as ash-fault
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Oxyclean posted:If you're talking about that British poo poo where they just pronounce it like it's spelled a completely different way, I will not hear it. I had an ex-military teacher in grade 7 who loved to say LEFTtennant and it drove me nuts because I was easily triggered even then
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mediaphage posted:lol the one that drives me batty (for no reason, i'm not really much of a prescriptivist) is how so many people in canada pronounce asphalt as ash-fault rear end-fat 
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Oxyclean posted:I will spell colour with a "u" but I will not abide that nonsense. Wordle spoiler but HUMOR made me mad today. It's still weird that game written by a Brit (afaik) and hosted in the UK uses American spellings and it definitely threw me off today.
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Juul-Whip posted:https://twitter.com/cbcolivia/status/1491162964795473926?s=21 They’re advising each other to use kids as human shields in the Zello chats
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Listening to the zello channels has been a fascinating look into the cavernous mind of the Canadian chud
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even though I live in the US, I have dual citizenship so I will continue to post here as is my divine right now get in loser we’re headed to timmy’s
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whatever happened to that grumpy rear end in a top hat Les? last time I heard he threw a fit and kicked everyone out of his Zello channel.
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you ever think its bullshit they still advertise the powdered sugar jelly filled timbits on the packaging they don’t really sell it at all?
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BGrifter posted:whatever happened to that grumpy rear end in a top hat Les? last time I heard he threw a fit and kicked everyone out of his Zello channel. If that’s who I think it is, he may be in the Windsor channel now.
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Koirhor posted:you ever think its bullshit they still advertise the powdered sugar jelly filled timbits on the packaging they don’t really sell it at all? There's like 30+ different timbit flavors but all you get are plain, glazed and chocolate. Fighting over the rare sprinkled glazed tests friendships. Any other flavors are clearly myths.
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I like the Tim Biebs, they aren't bad when they are fresh
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Omnicarus posted:I like the Tim Biebs, they aren't bad when they are fresh tim horton's stockholm syndromed our entire country into thinking anything they make is better than dog poo poo edit: actually I do have a soft spot for sour cream glazed because I am a 70 year man thunderspanks has issued a correction as of 22:55 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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CaptainACAB posted:Yeah one thing I hate about the western discourse on Japan is westerners act like the Japanese people are entirely blameless and separate from their government, which is stupid because s majority of the Japanese obviously agree with th LDP and Nippon Kaigi, which is why they keep winning. CaptainACAB posted:Because TO THIS DAY, the ruling party of Japan, comprised of both the ideological and actual, literal, flesh and blood descendants of the people who orchestrated this genocide has alternated between denying any atrocities happened and saying that they were good. not surprised this poster went off about another nationality, but did not expect it to be in the Canada thread and directed at the Quebecois
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Cold on a Cob posted:Wordle spoiler but HUMOR made me mad today. It's still weird that game written by a Brit (afaik) and hosted in the UK uses American spellings and it definitely threw me off today. didnt really phase me after using american autocorrect for most of my life Omnicarus posted:I like the Tim Biebs, they aren't bad when they are fresh that was the strangest promotion to me. good for him cashing out long after the end of his career i guess
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thunderspanks posted:tim horton's stockholm syndromed our entire country into thinking anything they make is better than dog poo poo In defense of the previous poster, the only thing even remotely edible from there are the timbits, and I include the coffee in that statement which is just steeped cigarette ashes served at temperatures high enough to light gasoline on contact
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Durf posted:that was the strangest promotion to me. good for him cashing out long after the end of his career i guess A friend got the Tim Biebs fanny pack on purpose and it remains the most mystifying purchase anyone I know has ever made.
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Timmy's only sells disgusting (and American-owned, as if that makes a difference) swill, although that's not surprising since it's coffee after all
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Tim's used to be good when it was Canadian owned and everything was baked in house, now it's all reheated frozen bullshit because capitalism incentivizes innovation
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Durf posted:didnt really phase me after using american autocorrect for most of my life Uh he's headlining in the Metaverse now you old man! Get with the times
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Danaru posted:Tim's used to be good when it was Canadian owned and everything was baked in house, now it's all reheated frozen bullshit because capitalism incentivizes innovation I worked briefly at one of the plants that produces some Tim's pastries and hoo boy did it explain A LOT
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Fried Watermelon posted:Uh he's headlining in the Metaverse now you old man! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVyLlFezj2E
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Danaru posted:Tim's used to be good when it was Canadian owned and everything was baked in house, now it's all reheated frozen bullshit because capitalism incentivizes innovation Wait you mean there are downsides to aspect of Canadian culture and society being sacrificed to Capitalism?
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Yeah the youth are definitely into Meta, sureDurf posted:didnt really phase me after using american autocorrect for most of my life It’s also driving me insane because I took up creative writing last year and now worry constantly about whether I’ve got things right.
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