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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:no, the "fusion doesn't do anything better than fission" part no he’s right, fusion is worthless. wunderwaffen will not save us.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:41
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Also we already have fusion weapons and have had them since the beginning of the cold war so that argument makes no sense. Technically we could also have already had fusion energy too if we did that proposal where we detonate nukes in a giant cavern filled with water 
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Feb 11, 2022 20:41
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Justin Tyme posted:Also we already have fusion weapons and have had them since the beginning of the cold war so that argument makes no sense. Please don't be so simple as to equate a cascading fission or fission reaction used in a bomb as the same thing as a controlled fission or fusion chain reaction
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Feb 11, 2022 20:43
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Feb 11, 2022 20:44
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Please don't be so simple as to equate a cascading fission or fission reaction used in a bomb as the same thing as a controlled fission or fusion chain reaction Maybe I am just shouting into the void but modern fusion energy research has pretty much zero crossover into weapons research is more what I am saying.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:46
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we could’ve started switching the worlds power generation over to fission on a much larger scale any time in the last 70 days. we could start today if we gave a gently caress. china is doing an incredible job working on new nuke reactors. fission could power the world today, fusion could maybe do the same thing (maybe, 30-50 years from now). fusion is worthless for anything other than making bigger nukes. when the problem is, “there’s no political will” (aka the billionaire pedophiles in charge of society refuse to spend the money), there exists no fantasy tech solution. those same billionaire pedophiles aren’t going to spend their fortunes building free fusion reactors for poor countries. capitalism is just gonna keep growing wherever it can, growing like a cancer until it blocks our collective windpipe and kills us all. the West will nuke China to death before it willingly allows them build fusion reactors to save the world from climate change.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:47
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Fusion's not "worthless" in that it isn't not worth pursuing since there is cool stuff you can do with space propulsion using fusion, but it's not going to fix climate change yeah. Even the most generous LCOE analysis shows fusion costing as much as fission nuclear plants since they'd be just as complex but in other ways unique to fusion, so why would Regional Energy Company spend the money to build a plant when they can buy MWs of PV capacity from Chinese factories for a quarter of the price? I sort of casually follow fusion and I've kinda flipped over the last year from being optimistic to being pessimistic, I still think it's going to "happen" but the tritium supply problem and the cost is going to keep it from being practical.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:51
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Where are my flying cars and atomic tittyball powerplants
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Feb 11, 2022 20:52
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Justin Tyme posted:Maybe I am just shouting into the void but modern fusion energy research has pretty much zero crossover into weapons research is more what I am saying. honestly i was mainly thinking of the parts of the work being done using supercomputers funded and built to model weapons like all the DOE stuff https://www.exascaleproject.org/research-project/wdmapp/
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Feb 11, 2022 20:53
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flying cars are called helicopters and you don't get one
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Feb 11, 2022 20:53
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Power is stored in the balls
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Feb 11, 2022 20:53
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:flying cars are called helicopters and you don't get one You can get a personal helicopter for surprisingly little, but it’s a bad idea for a whole host of reasons.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:57
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Trabisnikof posted:honestly i was mainly thinking of the parts of the work being done using supercomputers funded and built to model weapons like all the DOE stuff Oh yeah for sure, DOE supercomputers are all weapons all the time. It's ironic too because I'm pretty sure anyone with institutional knowledge on how to actually build physical weapons have died or retired (doubly ironic because we had a hard enough time refurbishing the arsenal in the 2000's, can't imagine the situation is any better 20 years later) so all the time spent running sims on these supercomputers will make hypothetical number go up but probably will never be put to use.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:57
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I guess fusion finally being invented will just serve to deflate any momentum climate change activists would have built as the situation gets worse. "Oh, we have a proof of concept of sci fi energy generation that people say is limitless and solves all problems? Okay gently caress it"
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Feb 11, 2022 20:59
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Justin Tyme posted:I sort of casually follow fusion and I've kinda flipped over the last year from being optimistic to being pessimistic, I still think it's going to "happen" but the tritium supply problem and the cost is going to keep it from being practical. how much tritium do you need anyway? i mean it's something you can produce in a fission reactor, although i'll admit i don't really known what kind of neutron flux you'd need to get kilograms of the stuff reasonably quickly
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Feb 11, 2022 21:02
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:how much tritium do you need anyway? i mean it's something you can produce in a fission reactor, although i'll admit i don't really known what kind of neutron flux you'd need to get kilograms of the stuff reasonably quickly there's enough for ITER to perform its testing and literally thats it the only way fusion (well, D-T fusion) is successful is if they (beyond maintaining the plasma generation) successfully manage to create a tritium breeder with lithium getting hit from stray neutrons
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Feb 11, 2022 21:10
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Loucks posted:You can get a personal helicopter for surprisingly little, but it’s a bad idea for a whole host of reasons. Don't get a helicopter for personal use. Those are for killing rich people.
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Feb 11, 2022 21:11
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How about you fuse a wick to some animal fat for light like a real man technophiles
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Feb 11, 2022 21:14
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I'd really like for there to be a crash program to build/rebuild the nuclear infrastructure but gotta burn that coal and oil
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Feb 11, 2022 21:30
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Don't get a helicopter for personal use. Those are for killing rich people. If you can get a helicopter you are rich, qed
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Feb 11, 2022 22:05
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Shima Honnou posted:when you buy a loot box and it has a rare skin inside. game changer
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Feb 11, 2022 22:09
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loving 5°c and raining for last few days in Toronto in early Feb s'all good tho back down to -17° tomorrow s'all good tho back up to 8° by Wednesday lol this 
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Feb 11, 2022 22:33
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mediaphage posted:there's enough for ITER to perform its testing and literally thats it 
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Feb 11, 2022 23:27
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Justin Tyme posted:Fusion's not "worthless" in that it isn't not worth pursuing since there is cool stuff you can do with space propulsion using fusion, but it's not going to fix climate change yeah. Even the most generous LCOE analysis shows fusion costing as much as fission nuclear plants since they'd be just as complex but in other ways unique to fusion, so why would Regional Energy Company spend the money to build a plant when they can buy MWs of PV capacity from Chinese factories for a quarter of the price? even if tritium isn’t a limiting factor, it still has many of the same problems fission has: huge capital investments required to build a plant, production of irradiated waste material (even if it’s low-level stuff), people flipping the gently caress out over the world nuclear. those same issues with fission could be fixed with investment, education, and government policy. but they wont be. instead, our entire global economy has become a slave to the whims of cybernetic capitalism’s dysfunctional death-drive for infinite profits, and liberalism is fundamentally incapable of implementing any of the necessary reforms. perfect fusion won’t change the reasons why fission is dead everywhere except china. that’s why fusion is worthless. because we live in this world, and not some other. because our nuclear-armed pedo billionaires want it this way, and not some other way, and they prefer apocalypse over communism. so in every practical sense, fusion is just another masturbatory thought experiment like O’Neill cylinders at the Lagrange points: intriguing but pointless. if china perfects fusion? good for them. maybe they can carry on the light of human civilization when everywhere else goes dark. but they’ll be facing one hell of an uphill battle to just to survive, given how our extinction event has been playing out so far.
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Feb 11, 2022 23:38
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I mean we held hostage their princess because they started making better phone polls?
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Feb 11, 2022 23:43
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how does a market based solution lead to this disaster?
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Feb 12, 2022 00:16
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Fly Molo posted:even if tritium isn’t a limiting factor, it still has many of the same problems fission has: huge capital investments required to build a plant, production of irradiated waste material (even if it’s low-level stuff), people flipping the gently caress out over the world nuclear. not an empty quote e; those tittayballs own tho, would have loved a npp like that, instead we got  a pretty nice pair down at diablo canyon  the death star orb over in ballston  spa
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Feb 12, 2022 00:41
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yay
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Feb 12, 2022 03:41
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Every town should have a nuclear reactor and everyone should work there
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Feb 12, 2022 06:14
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Lmao carbon capture rules https://twitter.com/_david_ho_/status/1492249269046235147?t=7LmTc59Zf9nhnMY1MW1mOw&s=19
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Feb 12, 2022 06:14
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https://mobile.twitter.com/andre_mihaescu/status/1491934711593287709 Birds dead. Totally normal.
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Feb 12, 2022 07:33
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Armadillo Tank posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/andre_mihaescu/status/1491934711593287709 supposedly flocks of birds get spooked and slam into the ground semi regularly
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Feb 12, 2022 07:52
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https://twitter.com/Peters_Glen/status/1492420829166063618
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Feb 12, 2022 13:04
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setting aside the fact that it's a twitter poll, you can't have a mass extinction of a single species, so "mass human extinction" is a nonsensical phrase that people may be interpreting to mean either "mass death" or "human extinction" as they see fit
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Feb 12, 2022 13:29
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Dustcat posted:setting aside the fact that it's a twitter poll, you can't have a mass extinction of a single species, so "mass human extinction" is a nonsensical phrase that people may be interpreting to mean either "mass death" or "human extinction" as they see fit https://twitter.com/Peters_Glen/status/1492420835847643141
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Feb 12, 2022 13:32
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Egg Moron posted:Every town should have a nuclear reactor and everyone should work there unironically agree
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Feb 12, 2022 15:30
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Basic Poster posted:Thank you for this. I can't tell you how glad I am to have it.
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Feb 12, 2022 15:35
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Real hurthling! posted:supposedly flocks of birds get spooked and slam into the ground semi regularly probably fewer would die if they were hitting dirt instead of concrete I hate cars
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Feb 12, 2022 15:58
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Armadillo Tank posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/andre_mihaescu/status/1491934711593287709 This is, unsarcastically, normal flock behaviour. It is totally normal. Plenty of poo poo is posted to Twitter by idiots who don't understand it or who want to actively misrepresent it. Hard to tell which this is.
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Feb 12, 2022 16:10
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Those birds illustrate the dangers of doomerism leading to suicidal behavior. Sad to see
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Feb 12, 2022 16:14
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