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Dabir posted:Poor little Russia, so scared of the Great Enemy, it has no choice but to invade Georgia and Crimea and forment civil war in Ukraine as a prelude to invasion there too. Oh if only all these tiny little countries that wouldn't stand a chance against Russia's army alone didn't want to join a mutual defense pact for some reason. Isn't it just that Putin invades somewhere whenever Russia's domestic problems become a distraction from the Glory Of Putin?
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kingturnip posted:Isn't it just that Putin invades somewhere whenever Russia's domestic problems become a distraction from the Glory Of Putin? My goodness what a suggestion.
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Feb 12, 2022 17:11
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Dabir posted:
Why are you being all weird and defensive? No one disagrees with you, relax
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jiggerypokery posted:Why are you being all weird and defensive? No one disagrees with you, relax Don't take the bait lol
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Regarde Aduck posted:And i think ultimately it comes down to this: if you get to 60 and are still in relatively good health, would you want to be written off as 'done' because your 'neuroplasticity' is reduced? I'm 35 and I'd love to be "done", to be honest I'm still young enough to feel like I should be doing something useful with my life, but old enough that I just don't have the energy to start again So yeah, I'd love for no-one to have any expectations of me anymore (least of all myself) I would like to be as irrelevant as possible, pls
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Feb 12, 2022 17:31
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's not ageist to say that people shouldn't be given positions of massive global influence when they are desperately and murderously trying to hold onto an idea of how they understand the world to be. In Blair's case, neoliberalism. In Kissinger's case, nakedly evil US hegemony. What's ageist is when you imply the problem is caused by people over 60 getting positions of influence, despite both your examples being poisonous, and achieving power, long before that age. I'd rather have Corbyn in power than Luke Akehurst, thanks. Yes, wrinklies tend to be less mentally flexible; but saying women shouldn't do X because they tend to be weaker (or whatever) is sexist, and the same applies.
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Feb 12, 2022 17:36
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Pistol_Pete posted:Don't take the bait lol It's not bait, I got mad when it looked like Desiderata was pulling some apologia poo poo. I'm gonna go do something else to calm down, sorry all
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Feb 12, 2022 17:38
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Oh dear me posted:What's ageist is when you imply the problem is caused by people over 60 getting positions of influence, despite both your examples being poisonous, and achieving power, long before that age. I'd rather have Corbyn in power than Luke Akehurst, thanks. 100%
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Feb 12, 2022 17:46
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ThomasPaine posted:Lmao, it's actually extremely problematic that we still have captured swastika flags in our museums, in order to be truly woke we must return these to the descendents of their original owners. Torygraph of course frames it as 'woke decolonization', but it's more like returning a family photograph or last letter from home that grandad brought back as a souvenir without realizing what it was because it looked cool (still keeping the kick-arse luger tho lol).
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Personally i think we should maximise the neuroplasticity of our governments and only give decision making powers to babies under 18 months ok so that would probably still be better than the current lot but still
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I think it's more likely to be the actual ideas they have than physical deterioration of the brain, though that still doesn't really make me any less wary around old people tbh.
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Feb 12, 2022 17:56
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OwlFancier posted:I think it's more likely to be the actual ideas they have than physical deterioration of the brain, though that still doesn't really make me any less wary around old people tbh. imo this is borne out just by looking at recent trends. a lot of younger types aren't actually getting any more conservative as they age.
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If people aren't looking to bin me for my terrible ideas if I reach age 60 then I am going to be disappointed in them for not coming up with anything better.mediaphage posted:imo this is borne out just by looking at recent trends. a lot of younger types aren't actually getting any more conservative as they age. The question there, though, is whether that is because they are actually constantly seeking new ideas, or whether it is because society in many respect has never advanced past the ideas of 60 years ago. So if you have what seems like a revolutionary idea from 30 years ago and it never goes anywhere, you can be utterly calcified in your beliefs and still seem like you're on the cutting edge of modern progressive thought while being objectively conservative and unchanging. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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but yeah there being older people with power and influence who don't understand poo poo about gently caress isn't because they're old, it's because our system makes it easy to keep hold of power and influence you obtain from whatever means without being challenged again. once you get into a safe seat you can to some extent stop giving that much of a gently caress so long as you shout about how bad it would be if the other lot got in every five years, once you get into the lords you can sit there having a nap and not have to particularly care. tony blair hasn't won an election in years and hasn't had to try, he just makes a statement every now and then about how he would totally win again despite it not being 2005 anymore, and he gets amplified because he did a thing in the past and he knows how to make connections with people to keep his image up. the problem isn't old people, the problem is people never getting kicked out of power for not being relevant anymore, the oldness just means they've had more time to try to climb up and never get made to come down again
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The bigger problem with gerontocracy is that the Olds don't have as much reason to give a poo poo about the future, because they'll be dead, and thus insulated from the consequences of their terrible decisions. Especially so as we live through a mass extinction event Same kinda logic as to why rich people shouldn't be in charge
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Failed Imagineer posted:The bigger problem with gerontocracy is that the Olds don't have as much reason to give a poo poo about the future, because they'll be dead, and thus insulated from the consequences of their terrible decisions. Especially so as we live through a mass extinction event this is definitely an issue. but i think a lot of it is more insidious than that in that they wouldn't have any different values if they expected to live another fifty years
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mediaphage posted:this is definitely an issue. but i think a lot of it is more insidious than that in that they wouldn't have any different values if they expected to live another fifty years Yeah that's the "rich" part
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Failed Imagineer posted:The bigger problem with gerontocracy is that the Olds don't have as much reason to give a poo poo about the future, because they'll be dead, and thus insulated from the consequences of their terrible decisions. Especially so as we live through a mass extinction event i mean the ones with hearts and souls who give a poo poo about their family/friends and can't rely on them being kept fine and well-fed by a corrupt system passing down inherited money and power would give a poo poo, one presumes so yeah this seems to mainly be a point against the wealthy
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Feb 12, 2022 18:14
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Dabir posted:It's not bait, I got mad when it looked like Desiderata was pulling some apologia poo poo. I'm gonna go do something else to calm down, sorry all Sorry dude, people periodically post in here looking to get the thread mad (and it always works  )
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Feb 12, 2022 18:19
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Desiderata posted:"Nato is a defensive alliance, so why would Russia be afraid of it." is the level of insightful analysis of international relations that Adam Something is bringing to the table here. NATO is a defensive allliance in the same way the Triple Entente / Triple Alliance was in 1914. It is a collection of imperialist states banding together and driving up sales for arms companies, while the working class underneath struggle to survive. This isn't to say Russia is any better, it's not, but to recognise to what degree this discussion is being driven by propaganda from the media and NATO governments on how to approach them.
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Not So Fast posted:NATO is a defensive allliance in the same way the Triple Entente / Triple Alliance was in 1914. It is a collection of imperialist states banding together and driving up sales for arms companies, while the working class underneath struggle to survive. You really think that without Nato, European nations would be spending less on armaments??? 
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Dabir posted:It's not bait, I got mad when it looked like Desiderata was pulling some apologia poo poo. I'm gonna go do something else to calm down, sorry all Sup. If you are truely itching to shout at someone over Ukraine there is probably a thread for that somewhere. I dunknow. My point was more that a "leftist" youtuber saying things like "Nato is defensive, why would Russia be afraid of it", or even better "The US doesn't threaten countries militarily" is like... a believing everything said in a press briefing level of understanding what is happening in an international conflict. I was pretty disappointed in those videos.
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Barry Foster posted:I'm 35 and I'd love to be "done", to be honest  Looking forward to being forgotten when I die
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Nenonen posted:You really think that without Nato, European nations would be spending less on armaments??? My point is that NATO is just the latest expression for driving up arms sales and causing intra-imperialist conflicts. Unless European states all became socialist they would still have to find some way to create and exploit capital for that sector.
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Barry Foster posted:I'm 35 and I'd love to be "done", to be honest I started slowly losing energy to my disease before I hit my teens, and I've only had less as time goes on. I'm in my mid-30's and it's less "I can't start again" and more "I never got started". The last life life milestone I hit as expected was learning to ride a bicycle. And yet, the older I get, the more the people around me are revealing that the life milestones they hit weren't meaningful and they're just as lost and tired as I am. That they don't feel like their lives have any meaning, and that they feel like they have to work ever harder to be able to afford ever less realistic goals. The next one for most of them is working hard enough to buy a house and get to starting a family, which they've delayed for money reasons. Everyone works until they can't, and for the ones not born rich, this is where they finally admit they're just too tired to work anymore. I think we've been sold a lie about what life's supposed to be.
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I find it a little hard to believe that nato as a united force would be very interested in territorial conquest in russia. I think historically it's more that some of the constituent members like pouring money into bombs to be dropped on the middle east and north africa.
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endlessmonotony posted:I started slowly losing energy to my disease before I hit my teens, and I've only had less as time goes on. This is why I am glad that I never had any life goals or expectations and don't anticipate ever doing anything other than playing video games until I die.
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It's not western propaganda to say that Russia is not under military threat from NATO, a military alliance. NATO probably does outmatch Russia militarily, but that's kind of irrelevant when any shooting war between the two would result in the planet being turned into a hot, glowing marble. It's not western propaganda to say that Putin and his top guys definitely know this. The Russian people might not, but Russia is a dictatorship with state controlled media, so what its people believe is informed by, rather than a factor in, what its leaders want to do. The people in Russia whose opinions get to count are under no illusions that NATO is a military threat to them. Therefore, Russia's actions are not motivated by fear of NATO. But they say they are. This is a lie, told to justify indefensible actions and sway credulous people to the support of Russia. Where I come from, we do call that propaganda.
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Dabir posted:It's not western propaganda to say that Russia is not under military threat from NATO, a military alliance. NATO probably does outmatch Russia militarily, but that's kind of irrelevant when any shooting war between the two would result in the planet being turned into a hot, glowing marble. not wrong but i'd point out a lot of "so what its people believe is informed by, rather than a factor in, what its leaders want to do" is very true for the uk and us, etc
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mediaphage posted:not wrong but i'd point out a lot of "so what its people believe is informed by, rather than a factor in, what its leaders want to do" is very true for the uk and us, etc Which would be relevant if we weren't talking about things that are screamingly obvious, like "an alliance of dozens of countries is not going to vote for global nuclear armageddon". E: unless they think they can make money off it
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StratGoatCom posted:https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...1-february-2022 Your link's broken.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...1-february-2022 I think this one works.
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Oh dear me posted:Yes, wrinklies tend to be less mentally flexible; but saying women shouldn't do X because they tend to be weaker (or whatever) is sexist, and the same applies. Loss of neuroplasticity, i.e. the ability of the brain to pick up new patterns and ways of thinking, is something that does decline with age. It is a feature of the aging process. Some people don't get hit by it as hard. Some people have already formed progressive or flexible enough frameworks by then. I will walk back my statement and say that the old white men making bad political decisions are probably far more influenced by the privelage of their whiteness and maleness than by their age and declining health. And there are more than enough young white men making stupid decisions in politics. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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OwlFancier posted:I find it a little hard to believe that nato as a united force would be very interested in territorial conquest in russia. I think historically it's more that some of the constituent members like pouring money into bombs to be dropped on the middle east and north africa. It's not about marching up to the gates of Moscow, it's just the same "spheres of influence" bullshit that's been going on for centuries. Substitute Russia and NATO for the Vatican and the Ottomans, or the Eastern and Western Roman Empires, or Greece and Persia - the eastern Med and Black Sea has been the crossroads of international trade for longer than there's been nations and everyone feels like they should control it because if They control it We are somehow diminished. Specifically right now it's about oil and LNG pipelines but it really is the same foreverwar that's been going on since some bloke found out there's plants that make food taste nice somewhere beyond the Himalayas.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I figured someone would either go there or race, but the difference is that (a) it's not true that women are inherently weaker and (b) the things that do define someone as female do not inherently affect their ability to do a job. Take the L buddy, this is going nowhere good.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:since some bloke found out there's plants that make food taste nice somewhere beyond the Himalayas. There's what??? Bagsy, gently caress off, mine
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