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Mylan posted:Was just watching the TNG 2 parter "Gambit." Why does everyone act like the Psionic Resonator is some amazingly powerful weapon? It requires a Vulcan to operate it, and all it does is shoot slow moving projectiles that are only effective if the target has hostile intentions. Meanwhile a standard phaser can fire beams of light that can not only vaporize any target regardless of their emotional state, it can blast holes in solid rock. Picard says the weapon became useless when the Vulcans embraced peace, but then at the end of the episode he says the Vulcans have vowed to destroy its components because it's too dangerous. It's like, oh no, can't let the ridiculously obsolete weapon fall into the wrong hands I guess? Fanwank is that it scales up with the amount of hostile intent, so its bad on individuals but good on armies
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K'Ehleyr was more interesting in her one episode than Alexander ever was.
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Feb 15, 2022 19:35
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SlothfulCobra posted:K'Ehleyr was more interesting in her one episode than Alexander ever was. Yeah it was a terrible trade.
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Feb 15, 2022 19:39
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:edit: whoops actually this one was a Michael Piller decision. but my grudge against ron moore stands Bastard fridged her.   S3-11: The Hunted While evaluating a planet looking to join the Federation, the Enterprise crew captures an escaped criminal who turns out to be a former supersoldier. I think this is the first Star Trek thing James Cromwell appeared in. Didn't think the episode was great because despite Troi getting a decently large part in it, she's mostly flustered and disoriented by the handsome soldier's wily mind, which makes her look like an awkward teenager, and the actor playing the soldier chews the role like some kind of stage pirate. It sucks how nearly every time Troi would have an advantage due to her abilities and counselor background, they instead have her out of her depth and bested by opponents. Kind of like Worf really!  S3-14: A Matter of Perspective You're a dead man, Apgar!! A dead man!!  S3-16: The Offspring Data makes Lal. Even though I used to think this episode was sappy, the last two times I watched it, it made me tear up. I know much of that is rooted in nostalgia (and part was me watching it a little drunk), but it's not just that. I've been thinking that a more accomplished writer of serious/hard sci-fi could've done a better job at describing the idea of one android creating another as its child; it certainly wouldn't send it to school, nor would it really have to teach it about concepts by showing them and naming them. It would be interesting to see one robot program another, impart the sum of their knowledge and experiences on it and perhaps find it having different experiences to itself. In that respect, this episode is really clumsy and naive. But I realized that treating the concept more seriously and technically would also make it lose all its heart, and it's really good the way it ended up being. “I will feel it for both of us” is probably always gonna gut me like a fish.
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Feb 15, 2022 19:42
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Can we talk about how loving amazing some of the scores were in TNG? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsFdpXa4XpM That's from Where Silence Has Lease, one of my favourite TNG episodes because of the soundtrack and its incredible atmosphere. I watched this episode as a 7 year old kid back in the day, and it felt so unnerving. There will never again be this kind of Star Trek episode, where weird poo poo just happens - like Time Squared, another Season 2 quality show. Also, there's this loving masterpiece from The Best of Both Worlds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrZ7E2WC3RI Never again, sadly. I've read that Rick Berman actually directed the score composers to make the music as bland as hell in the Voyager days because he found some of it distracting. What a dipshit, if true.
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The early Romulan theme was also incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBZdkEm8g4Q
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That one has been slightly ruined for me. I immediately see a horse playing the sax in my head.
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davidspackage posted:That one has been slightly ruined for me. I immediately see a horse playing the sax in my head. Canonical.
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davidspackage posted:That one has been slightly improved for me. I immediately see a horse playing the sax in my head.
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Early TNG has such fun music https://youtu.be/hlthRAFQnjc
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davidspackage posted:
Data did put being human like as a good thing, and a lot of school is just learning socializing not just academic skills/knowledge so it does make a certain amount of sense. Also if data just downloaded all his knowledge to her, he may worry about her just becoming a direct clone of himself, not her own person. It is a very interesting question though.
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davidspackage posted:
Good point on better application of android making baby. Sadly, they had a major opportunity to re-examine these topics but ultimately they flubbed it even worse, like, so bad Lal doesn't even come up in Picard when dealing with the Soonlings, IIRC Data doesn't even friggin know about her in the end or doesn't care to ask maybe. Ugh, hard to even recall that absolute nadir of all trek. Data fam deserved better writers.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Can we talk about how loving amazing some of the scores were in TNG? The unused opening theme that Dennis McCarthy wrote for TNG was pretty hokey, but I love the motifs from it that get used throughout Season 1.
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Penitent posted:The unused opening theme that Dennis McCarthy wrote for TNG was pretty hokey, but I love the motifs from it that get used throughout Season 1. Whoa, I didn’t realize this was actually out there. https://youtu.be/jzpeulsbv8o Sounds like what ought to play when Picard rises up from within the Enterprise in his mecha.
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Well then https://twitter.com/variety/status/1493711532957569027?s=21
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Don't toy with me like this. Does it say anything about Pegg remaining a writer?
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Well it's an even again so they've got one more shot at making at least one good nu-trek film
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No Dignity posted:Well it's an even again so they've got one more shot at making at least one good nu-trek film I thought Beyond was great. Probably my third favorite film.
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So we're doing the DC approach of just throwing everything at the wall no matter how it fits together eh?
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Stop stop he's already dead Chekov I mean, he's dead
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idk why specifically but I saw the first JJ Trek in theatres twice, I really liked it at the time, not as Trek just as a scifi movie. Then I just never saw the other ones, trailer didn't look great and I don't like looking at that one dude, plus never saw the other star trek movie about khan. and since didn't see second didn't see the third. Mostly heard moaning about both so never felt like I missed anything.
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Well, they’ve managed to get rid of the production teams I was interested in, so checks out that they’d be able to get things approved. I wonder what revenge plot the gang will foil this time? (Seriously, if you want to win me over immediately, open in media res right after they wrap up a revenge plot, have them receive orders to investigate a gaseous anomaly, then go right to titles.)
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Khanstant posted:idk why specifically but I saw the first JJ Trek in theatres twice, I really liked it at the time, not as Trek just as a scifi movie. Then I just never saw the other ones, trailer didn't look great and I don't like looking at that one dude, plus never saw the other star trek movie about khan. and since didn't see second didn't see the third. Mostly heard moaning about both so never felt like I missed anything. Honestly Beyond is worth checking out on it's own. I think it's a great film, the themes were interesting as an examination of Trek staying around, and has some fun action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfiSpBS8yJE
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They’re going to skip an entire show and just remake First Contact this time.
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Eimi posted:Honestly Beyond is worth checking out on it's own. I think it's a great film, the themes were interesting as an examination of Trek staying around, and has some fun action. Captain, I decoded a message that was using the original post as a carrier wave
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CPColin posted:Captain, I decoded a message that was using the original post as a carrier wave 
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They have made it a tradition to absolutely ruin the Enterprise in every outing of JJTrek, culminating in the starship equivalent of the body horror vivisection we saw in Beyond. How will they top themselves in this new film? It's truly fascinating to me that the people helming these films just [b]love[\b] showing the enterprise get wrecked and all of it's crew horribly killed and sucked out into space. It's weirdly like they don't even like it that much. Penitent fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Eh, it wasn't ruined in Trek 09, it was dented a bit on the nacelle to slow them down.
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MikeJF posted:Eh, it wasn't ruined in Trek 09, it was dented a bit on the nacelle to slow them down. I guess I need to go back and watch. I thought Nero's ship had thrashed it pretty good.
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Nah, a single future-missile hits the Enterprise, smashing out the shields and exploding against the neck, but aside from the people in that room it seems like it's pretty minor, the bigger factor is the shields being depleted. Then Nero recognised the Enterprise and held fire. The worse damage was when debris scrapes one of the nacelles on arrival in orbit; they're limited to warp 4 as a result and have to play catch-up. It seems more dramatic than it is because the camera won't stop shaking and shining lights in your eyes. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Penitent posted:I guess I need to go back and watch. I thought Nero's ship had thrashed it pretty good. The Enterprise actually kind of kicks the poo poo out of the Narada. It's trying to escape from the black hole created by the Red Matter implosion at the climax that does more to gently caress it up than anything, and even then it just puts a few stress fractures in the hull and cracks the viewscreen, and it's all repaired by the denouement. That said, the Enterprise-A is probably also gonna get trashed in Trek 4, but not to the point where we'll need another new Enterprise at least.
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nine-gear crow posted:That said, the Enterprise-A is probably also gonna get trashed in Trek 4, but not to the point where we'll need another new Enterprise at least. Well, we know what it's time for then Kelvin Excelsior
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Star Trek 2009 and Beyond were really fun. I loved Beyond because it felt most like a feature length episode of a non-existent Kelvinverse TV show. Idris Elba was a great antagonist, and the Yorktown space station was one of the best sci-fi movie locales i’ve seen in many years. Star Trek Into Darkness was just…meh. Even with Admiral Robocop hamming it up.
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CPColin posted:Imagine how big those swoopy parts on the JJTrek Ent-B would be  If it's like this I could dig it.
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Eimi posted:
Yeah, I've seen that take on the Kelvinverse Excelsior floating around for a while now and I really like it. I'm not too keen on either the JJprise or the Discovery, but every one of their respective series' non-hero ships designs have been rather spot on, honestly, the Discoprise being my favorite.
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JJ more like Jar Jar amirite Seriously though the dude is a legend for somehow pushing two beloved nerd franchises through the grinder of his M Y S T E R Y B O X and squeezing all value he can out of them for his rich overlords. Funny that somehow Star Wars of all things came out worse from his touch than Trek. I would have never thought that in 2009.
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I think that Star Trek, both the movie and TV show universes, needs to realize that not every season needs to feature some massive threat to the entire galaxy or universe. Star Trek IV fuckin’ owned because it was an occasionally humorous humpback whale time heist to stop an alien probe from destroying Earth’s atmosphere. Beyond was great because it was just a disaffected MACO soldier wanting vengeance on a Federation outpost for unwittingly abandoning him and his crew to a hellish fate on an unsettled world, very much in the same vein as Khan in ST II. The Final Frontier was about Spock’s half brother wanting everybody to meet God. The Undiscovered Country was a political Whodunit detective mystery/jailbreak story, and an allegory about the consequences of end of the real world Cold War. Generations was about an elderly scientist wanting to find his way back to Space Paradise after being violently torn away from it decades earlier. Let Star Trek tell some personal stories again and cool it with the sweeping Mass Effect-esque story arcs featuring quadrant-wide genocidal anomalies and antagonists. Admiral Jean-Luc Picard is almost 100 years old in Star Trek canon. The dude doesn’t need to be engaging in elaborate Jason Bourne-esque fight sequences against fearsome bad guys anymore. He was never that guy to begin with when he was in his late 40’s/early 50’s, either.
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jeeves posted:JJ more like Jar Jar amirite The grand irony being he made Trek 09 explicitly as a demo reel to convince LucasFilm to let him make a new Star Wars film.
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