leper khan posted:

There's absolutely room to grow as an IC, and ICs pulling in 1M+. Though providing the impact (or, more tangibly, the appearance of impact) to do that is substantially more difficult. And the role at some point still doesn't look like earlier IC roles.

Arquinsiel posted:

You're only saying that to them, you can always go somewhere else. They might come back with more anyway. That is why you being able to do nothing and coming out with more than they offer is a good position.

Quebec Bagnet posted:

I accepted an offer. For reference I make $116k now as a post-sales solutions engineer in NYC, not in FAANG or finance.

I started talking to the recruiter two months ago, before I read this thread, and made the mistake of saying a number first and told them $120k-$140k. The job title is just "software engineer", no level included.

Last week I had a second-round interview and it went well, but wasn't able to clarify what level they were hiring at. I followed up with the recruiter, he wasn't sure, so I told him to drop the lower end and just go ask for $140k, to show that I'm serious about being considered a senior.

Yesterday the recruiter told me the company was initially offering $137k. I asked if there's any chance he could ask for $145k, and that I'm waiting to see if another company I was pursuing was going to make me an offer. He went back to the hiring manager and told them that, who replied that they were actually authorized to offer $150k. Other company came back to me this morning and passed me over anyway.

So now I have a $150k offer, just by pushing a little bit. I would have accepted at $137k because my BATNA is to stay at a job where I'm severely burned out and unmotivated, but I'm feeling real smug right now.

bamhand posted:

I meant in my org/industry. I know tech clearly has a different system.

I know we have another team member who applied for the position too. He's qualified enough though I'm an overall better candidate. I think there's little upside to declining the offer to see if they'll come back with a higher number.

e: Anyways I'm basically just griping about the company having a lovely system that turns a "promotion" into something that actually makes me consider leaving. I know the solution is to simply wait the requisite amount of time in the new role and then find a new job if I'm unhappy.

bamhand posted:

e: Anyways I'm basically just griping about the company having a lovely system that turns a "promotion" into something that actually makes me consider leaving. I know the solution is to simply wait the requisite amount of time in the new role and then find a new job if I'm unhappy.

leper khan posted:

If you don't mind grinding the interview circuit, try to find a public company that issues RSUs as part of the comp package. The base doesn't change but you can get an extra 30-100% bump.

Quebec Bagnet posted:

I accepted an offer. For reference I make $116k now as a post-sales solutions engineer in NYC, not in FAANG or finance.

I started talking to the recruiter two months ago, before I read this thread, and made the mistake of saying a number first and told them $120k-$140k. The job title is just "software engineer", no level included.

Last week I had a second-round interview and it went well, but wasn't able to clarify what level they were hiring at. I followed up with the recruiter, he wasn't sure, so I told him to drop the lower end and just go ask for $140k, to show that I'm serious about being considered a senior.

Yesterday the recruiter told me the company was initially offering $137k. I asked if there's any chance he could ask for $145k, and that I'm waiting to see if another company I was pursuing was going to make me an offer. He went back to the hiring manager and told them that, who replied that they were actually authorized to offer $150k. Other company came back to me this morning and passed me over anyway.

So now I have a $150k offer, just by pushing a little bit. I would have accepted at $137k because my BATNA is to stay at a job where I'm severely burned out and unmotivated, but I'm feeling real smug right now.

spatula posted:

loving ugh, I suppressed all of my impostor syndrome and asked a company for more money and they just said no without offering me ANYTHING in return. What am I even supposed to do with that?

This was a company I hadn't even spoken with since they gave me the initial offer, so I don't think I did anything wrong? I feel like such a massive failure about my job search, I haven't had even a small win in negotiating anything ever, all my offers are poo poo, recruiters are telling me I'm underpaid, and my friends are getting offers for 40k more than me with less effort. gently caress.

air- posted:

The same thing happened to me a few months back and gonna echo what everyone on this thread told me: you dodged a bullet, that company waved red flags in your face and did you a favor

spatula posted:

thanks. do you really think its a red flag? I was still considering taking it because I hate my current job and the emotional cost of continuing to interview is so high I don't think I want to. I would just feel like a loving idiot after asking for more and saying it's not in line with my other offers

Boot and Rally posted:

Go easier on yourself!

From your previous posts is sounds like they have a lot of details which empowered them to not budge. I’m general, I don’t think them not accepting a counter is a red flag all by itself. If you think the job is a step up or need a new environment, take the job and get out of the market for a while to clear your head and then jump back in. Stop worrying about what other people are doing.

You can still accept with something like “ok, I liked the team and Project X looks exciting. I’ll send over the signed offer letter later today.”

I’ve had companies pull offers entirely. I took it to mean they thought they could get someone cheaper. A different recruiter found me 6 months later, they had not. Do what is best for you, including asking for more money.

Boot and Rally posted:

Go easier on yourself!

From your previous posts is sounds like they have a lot of details which empowered them to not budge. I’m general, I don’t think them not accepting a counter is a red flag all by itself. If you think the job is a step up or need a new environment, take the job and get out of the market for a while to clear your head and then jump back in. Stop worrying about what other people are doing.

You can still accept with something like “ok, I liked the team and Project X looks exciting. I’ll send over the signed offer letter later today.”

I’ve had companies pull offers entirely. I took it to mean they thought they could get someone cheaper. A different recruiter found me 6 months later, they had not. Do what is best for you, including asking for more money.

spatula posted:

Oh, to clarify because of my previous posts this is NOT the same company I'd said all that stuff to. I already rejected that offer, it's gone.

This company has none of that information. I was able to "lie" or whatever you want to call it and say the following: "I've been thinking over my offers and I do really like [company]'s product and team. I'm just somewhat hesitant due to the comp at my current role and the other offers I've received. Would you be able to offer a $215,000 base salary? I would most likely commit to leaving my current role and signing an offer with [company] in that case."

This is a fine message right? I just feel like a moron for asking now, and I'll look like a liar if I do accept the offer lmao.

quote:

"I've been thinking over my offers and I do really like [company]'s product and team."

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"I'm just somewhat hesitant due to the comp at my current role and the other offers I've received."

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Would you be able to offer a $215,000 base salary?

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I would most likely commit to leaving my current role and signing an offer with [company] in that case."

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Despite what this thread is telling me, I felt a lot better just telling the other company the complete truth about how I was evaluating their offer, and I feel way worse about this latest move I attempted. [...] Then I watch my friends in the same field with the same experience apply to one job and get a 70k raise, with minimal stress and no need to negotiate.

spatula posted:

thanks. do you really think its a red flag? I was still considering taking it because I hate my current job and the emotional cost of continuing to interview is so high I don't think I want to. I would just feel like a loving idiot after asking for more and saying it's not in line with my other offers

spatula posted:

jemand posted:

This latest approach was definitely a tremendous improvement over your previous attempt, but interviewing is a numbers game, no matter how well you play there are no guarantees on the outcome.

I know interviewing feels like poo poo and that our picking apart your attempts has got to feel insanely judgy and awful. So, first up, massive props to getting out there, getting interviews, taking the thread's previous feedback well, changing your strategy, & getting out of your comfort zone. That is seriously totally awesome!! Definitely wanted to lead here with that basic overall message -- you did awesome, you have awesome job options, we always want to maximize but those numbers you already shared can have you stacking paper while still leaving your current job you dislike.


I'll give some detailed feedback-- curious what the rest of the thread thinks.

Awesome: Good to lead with some positive words on the company product and team.
Awesome: Good to lead with the implication you have options & choices beyond just them.

Improvement: Slightly less active tone than you could use. Normally I would not call it out, but I see this as a trend for you, in how you structure your posts here & how you talk about your approaches to companies. Advice: More snappy / more concise / more active / more vague / less passive / less drowned in detail / fewer adjectives, adverbs, verbal qualifications etc.

How the HECK is this a LIE???!!! jeez. Like this is your fundamental problem, I think, is just that you consider this lying, and therefore I dunno, you may be coming across as insincere in these encounters, or you are breaking various other norms of communication just with your discomfort from thinking you are playing games and lying here.

Seriously. You've gone over this a bunch in the thread. There are numbers, numbers not actually all that far off, where you would say yes happily and immediately. That's founded very much as a function of data like your current salary and the fact that this interviewing cycle, while yes it wasn't all that fun, did result in multiple independent offers of new employment for you, with unknown upside negotiation potential / time cycle / obvious ability to just go out & get more offers if you wanted.

I do second Parallelwoody's point that obliquely referencing your BATNA and pointing out that it isn't bad isn't exactly relevant, and so you might not need it.

But just, god drat it, how in the world are you twisting around this incredibly inoffensive statement of absolute factual truth I could have written on your behalf based solely on the very small number of details of your life shared in this thread, into "A LIE that is following the rules of this weird, poorly documented, social game."

Find whatever the source of that mindset is, and you'll find your problem.

Awesome: ambitious number goal. Reasonable reach. Somewhere to bargain down from.

Improvement: Passive & too oblique. Too many words. Just ask.

You dunno? "Most Likely"? This isn't an affidavit and this statement itself is not a binding contract. If whatever crazy eventuality "I get hit by the bus and am in hospital / I win the lottery / I get inexplicably promoted to CEO by my current company's board of directors tomorrow" etc, no one is going to hold you to this. Find the number that would let you "sign today" and then lead with that. "If you can get to X I'll sign today."
This also gives you room and explanation in this case, when you still want to go with them regardless. You thought about it, took your time, & ended up eventually signing their contract offer. They didn't meet the X, but you also made them sweat a bit while you thought about it, so it is all normal, understood, and accepted by all parties.

I do believe this, for sure. You seem to tend towards finding comfort in details and pushing active decision making to your counterparty instead of retaining your half of the conversation's control and direction.

However, if you think this is only a worry while you are actively interviewing, and you can totally neglect it at your day to day job, I believe you are making a mistake. The kinds of roles that pay the 200k+ often require the ability to influence teams, shape direction, hold your own in conversations with various stakeholders, handle strategy, negotiation, etc between teams in advocacy for your project, function, etc as a part of the role. If you do not want to develop that skill, that's OK, but it does put a ceiling on your career beyond just somewhat increasing the difficulty jumping from place to place. My guess is that your colleagues who have "no need to negotiate" to get 40k better offers than you, might actually be better at intuitively understanding this kind of information hygiene, influence skills, etc, and that these skills are actually crucial components to some of the jobs that are paying these high prices.

Yeah, the tech market IS insane, which means that people with basically zero command of those soft skills are also very much in demand, which means you will eventually find somewhere anyway without any further personal development along that axis, but, that'll still be a numbers game and you'll definitely need a lot more interviews to hit. On the other hand, if you want to practice some of these skills that'll help you painlessly land your next job, that also means that you can find parts of your current job or new job where you can exercise them with waaaayyy lower stakes and the kind of regular consistency that can change habits.


This is the part where I am most interested in other thread posters to weigh in -- am I off base? These 200k+ tech roles, are they often still purely numbercruchers living in closets who don't need to play nice with others, fight for internal resources, negotiate timelines with business partners, etc? Or do some of those softer influencing / information control / conversation handling skills become useful *during the job* as well as while getting it, making this a pretty reasonable gating process during hiring?

Anne Whateley posted:

spatula, IIRC from W&W days, you're a WOC? I think that's relevant here. Not just in what they're offering you and why your friends are seeing offers you aren't, but also in the way you talk and how you feel about lying and how they expect you to behave and what happens if you don't. I'm a (white) woman and all the qualifiers people are saying you shouldn't use are things I literally, explicitly had to learn, because when I didn't use them people were shocked and mad about it. Often while they were sharing on LinkedIn those articles about "remove those wishy-washy words from your vocabulary!"

I don't have any advice other than to consider it a very likely part of the issue. If you can get advice from women/WOC specifically, they probably have more targeted strategies.

jemand posted:

This latest approach was definitely a tremendous improvement over your previous attempt, but interviewing is a numbers game, no matter how well you play there are no guarantees on the outcome.

I know interviewing feels like poo poo and that our picking apart your attempts has got to feel insanely judgy and awful. So, first up, massive props to getting out there, getting interviews, taking the thread's previous feedback well, changing your strategy, & getting out of your comfort zone. That is seriously totally awesome!! Definitely wanted to lead here with that basic overall message -- you did awesome, you have awesome job options, we always want to maximize but those numbers you already shared can have you stacking paper while still leaving your current job you dislike.


I'll give some detailed feedback-- curious what the rest of the thread thinks.

Awesome: Good to lead with some positive words on the company product and team.
Awesome: Good to lead with the implication you have options & choices beyond just them.

Improvement: Slightly less active tone than you could use. Normally I would not call it out, but I see this as a trend for you, in how you structure your posts here & how you talk about your approaches to companies. Advice: More snappy / more concise / more active / more vague / less passive / less drowned in detail / fewer adjectives, adverbs, verbal qualifications etc.

How the HECK is this a LIE???!!! jeez. Like this is your fundamental problem, I think, is just that you consider this lying, and therefore I dunno, you may be coming across as insincere in these encounters, or you are breaking various other norms of communication just with your discomfort from thinking you are playing games and lying here.

Seriously. You've gone over this a bunch in the thread. There are numbers, numbers not actually all that far off, where you would say yes happily and immediately. That's founded very much as a function of data like your current salary and the fact that this interviewing cycle, while yes it wasn't all that fun, did result in multiple independent offers of new employment for you, with unknown upside negotiation potential / time cycle / obvious ability to just go out & get more offers if you wanted.

I do second Parallelwoody's point that obliquely referencing your BATNA and pointing out that it isn't bad isn't exactly relevant, and so you might not need it.

But just, god drat it, how in the world are you twisting around this incredibly inoffensive statement of absolute factual truth I could have written on your behalf based solely on the very small number of details of your life shared in this thread, into "A LIE that is following the rules of this weird, poorly documented, social game."

Find whatever the source of that mindset is, and you'll find your problem.

Awesome: ambitious number goal. Reasonable reach. Somewhere to bargain down from.

Improvement: Passive & too oblique. Too many words. Just ask.

You dunno? "Most Likely"? This isn't an affidavit and this statement itself is not a binding contract. If whatever crazy eventuality "I get hit by the bus and am in hospital / I win the lottery / I get inexplicably promoted to CEO by my current company's board of directors tomorrow" etc, no one is going to hold you to this. Find the number that would let you "sign today" and then lead with that. "If you can get to X I'll sign today."
This also gives you room and explanation in this case, when you still want to go with them regardless. You thought about it, took your time, & ended up eventually signing their contract offer. They didn't meet the X, but you also made them sweat a bit while you thought about it, so it is all normal, understood, and accepted by all parties.

I do believe this, for sure. You seem to tend towards finding comfort in details and pushing active decision making to your counterparty instead of retaining your half of the conversation's control and direction.

However, if you think this is only a worry while you are actively interviewing, and you can totally neglect it at your day to day job, I believe you are making a mistake. The kinds of roles that pay the 200k+ often require the ability to influence teams, shape direction, hold your own in conversations with various stakeholders, handle strategy, negotiation, etc between teams in advocacy for your project, function, etc as a part of the role. If you do not want to develop that skill, that's OK, but it does put a ceiling on your career beyond just somewhat increasing the difficulty jumping from place to place. My guess is that your colleagues who have "no need to negotiate" to get 40k better offers than you, might actually be better at intuitively understanding this kind of information hygiene, influence skills, etc, and that these skills are actually crucial components to some of the jobs that are paying these high prices.

Yeah, the tech market IS insane, which means that people with basically zero command of those soft skills are also very much in demand, which means you will eventually find somewhere anyway without any further personal development along that axis, but, that'll still be a numbers game and you'll definitely need a lot more interviews to hit. On the other hand, if you want to practice some of these skills that'll help you painlessly land your next job, that also means that you can find parts of your current job or new job where you can exercise them with waaaayyy lower stakes and the kind of regular consistency that can change habits.


This is the part where I am most interested in other thread posters to weigh in -- am I off base? These 200k+ tech roles, are they often still purely numbercruchers living in closets who don't need to play nice with others, fight for internal resources, negotiate timelines with business partners, etc? Or do some of those softer influencing / information control / conversation handling skills become useful *during the job* as well as while getting it, making this a pretty reasonable gating process during hiring?

Lockback posted:

Is it a good offer or not? A good offer is still a good offer even if the company is firm. You win a negotiation if you end up with something that is good for your market, don't get so hung up on how much you talked them up or down by.

If it's not a good offer, there is no better time than now to keep looking.

spatula posted:

I certainly don't look like a senior engineer in appearance or demeanor or name, but there's not a whole lot I can do there so I just do my best to forget about that aspect of things.

spatula posted:

lol, yeah. I'm very much a woman of color - definitely not white passing in name or appearance - and my friends getting better offers are mostly white men. And some of them are tall! Again, they are my friends, and I love them. They have been hearing about my job offers and saying things like "it's because you're a woman", somewhat because they're my bros dunking on me as friends do, but we all know that's A Real Thing.

In most engineering teams, there are not a lot of women, and even fewer women in senior roles like the ones I'm attempting to get. Throughout my career I've been asked to speak on panels or interview people more senior than me, lots of things where I'm representing the company. It's kinda a poo poo deal because these are typically responsibilities given to people who are more senior, and I know they specifically want me to do them for Diversity Reasons.

But yes it's totally a thing - if I act with the typical confidence of my male colleagues, people will like me less. Guess I'll read some books about being a GIRLBOSS (jk, idk the solution either and don't know who to ask, I don't really have any female role models in the industry)

spatula posted:

There are equity complications with my current job that make it confusing to determine my exact comp (going public soon, it's been delayed and massively bad press has crushed its potential value). I do not like my other offer because it's not as high as I hoped for. It probably is a slight improvement in comp over my current job, but accepting it would feel disappointing. I don't think it's that good for the market, but I'm starting to wonder if my expectations are reasonable.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

My tactic when I last interviewed and also when talking to my boss about money is to make the big ask but frame it in a collaborative way, lots of emphasis on "this'll be good for all of us".

spatula posted:

lol, yeah. I'm very much a woman of color - definitely not white passing in name or appearance - and my friends getting better offers are mostly white men. And some of them are tall! Again, they are my friends, and I love them. They have been hearing about my job offers and saying things like "it's because you're a woman", somewhat because they're my bros dunking on me as friends do, but we all know that's A Real Thing.

spatula posted:

But yes it's totally a thing - if I act with the typical confidence of my male colleagues, people will like me less. Guess I'll read some books about being a GIRLBOSS (jk, idk the solution either and don't know who to ask, I don't really have any female role models in the industry)

This is a lot of really helpful feedback (thank you) and I can boil down the root of my problem to "I'm deeply insecure". Theres not a quick fix for this but I'm in therapy, lol

sim posted:

As someone who blogs about salary negotiation all the time, I'm particularly interested in giving advice that's inclusive. I hate the idea that what I'm writing is only helpful to white males and so is only serving to further widen the pay gap. I've heard, anecdotally from other female software engineers, that the advice "always negotiate" isn't valid because women and POC simply don't have enough opportunities available to be cavalier with the offers they do receive.

I don't really know the solution either. I've sought out content about salary negotiation specifically for POC and it pretty much follows everything said in this thread.
- https://hermoney.com/earn/salaries/the-truth-about-salary-negotiation-for-black-women/: know your value; do your homework; focus on facts, not feelings; confidence pays
- https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/black-women-career-coaches-on-negotiating-your-salary-and-countering-a-low-offer.html: mostly the same

Please continue to post updates. Let us know how it goes and if you find advice that works for you. I hope we continue to be helpful.

leper khan posted:

Last I looked at the research, the pay gap is like 2% when correcting for role

Anne Whateley posted:

do you see the issue here

I agree it's important to negotiate regardless, obviously. But I think negotiation for women and especially for WOC has to be different in some ways. "I need $x or it's not worth it to me" might be acceptable or positive coming from a man, but if a woman says it, she may be perceived as too aggressive, not a team player, hard to work with, etc. In that case, the problem is not with the applicant who doesn't want to say it, because she's correctly identifying a pitfall that will lead to a negative outcome.

I don't think that's 100% of spatula's situation, but I do think it's definitely a factor

e: I just remembered her name -- it might be worth looking into booking a session with Jamie Lee https://www.jamieleecoach.com/home
Bullish was also a great resource back in the day, but I don't think it's the same anymore. Maybe if you paid for their message board?

spatula posted:

lol, yeah. I'm very much a woman of color - definitely not white passing in name or appearance - and my friends getting better offers are mostly white men. And some of them are tall! Again, they are my friends, and I love them. They have been hearing about my job offers and saying things like "it's because you're a woman", somewhat because they're my bros dunking on me as friends do, but we all know that's A Real Thing.

In most engineering teams, there are not a lot of women, and even fewer women in senior roles like the ones I'm attempting to get. Throughout my career I've been asked to speak on panels or interview people more senior than me, lots of things where I'm representing the company. It's kinda a poo poo deal because these are typically responsibilities given to people who are more senior, and I know they specifically want me to do them for Diversity Reasons.

But yes it's totally a thing - if I act with the typical confidence of my male colleagues, people will like me less. Guess I'll read some books about being a GIRLBOSS (jk, idk the solution either and don't know who to ask, I don't really have any female role models in the industry)

This is a lot of really helpful feedback (thank you) and I can boil down the root of my problem to "I'm deeply insecure". Theres not a quick fix for this but I'm in therapy, lol

That said I gotta push back on the idea that I don't have "soft skills" because I'm insecure and wishy-washy with my words in salary negotiation, as I mentioned above I'm often pushed by companies to represent them in various capacities, especially interviewing (and yeah ok its because I'm a WOC and not other things lol, but they definitely trust my soft communication skills) and I've received really good feedback about that work as well as my engineering work. But yeah, I'm not aggressive, demanding or confident, qualities that probably aren't serving me in this moment. I work and communicate very well with others, that's always been part of my job. I've never received negative feedback about that, most of what I'm told by recruiters giving me offers is stuff like "the team loved you and loved working and coding with you", if anyone gives me negative feedback I always remember (unfortunately)

I certainly don't look like a senior engineer in appearance or demeanor or name, but there's not a whole lot I can do there so I just do my best to forget about that aspect of things.

There are equity complications with my current job that make it confusing to determine my exact comp (going public soon, it's been delayed and massively bad press has crushed its potential value). I do not like my other offer because it's not as high as I hoped for. It probably is a slight improvement in comp over my current job, but accepting it would feel disappointing. I don't think it's that good for the market, but I'm starting to wonder if my expectations are reasonable.

Anne Whateley posted:

... negotiation for women and especially for WOC has to be different in some ways. "I need $x or it's not worth it to me" might be acceptable or positive coming from a man, but if a woman says it, she may be perceived as too aggressive, not a team player, hard to work with, etc. In that case, the problem is not with the applicant who doesn't want to say it, because she's correctly identifying a pitfall that will lead to a negative outcome.

jemand posted:

I'm a white woman in tech, and I still notice that I get benefit from avoiding wishy-washy sounding language when speaking and editing out qualifiers from written communication. Everyone starts at a different point on that spectrum and has a different environment -- certainly I wouldn't contradict Anne Whateley's personal experience where she learned she needed to put it back in. You might find really have to keep it too, but it is worth an experiment to see what your personal results are.

spatula posted:

Another company I was waiting on got back to me with a much better offer, today I asked them for a 10k signing bonus "to sign today" and ended up with an extra 10k on my base salary instead. Ended up being $195k base + equity in RSUs ($285k new hire grant w/ 1yr cliff, $95k annual refresher based on performance). They had initially given me a base range of $140-178k telling me the end of the range would be hard to get approved, I basically said "lol that sucks" and I wasn't expecting them to do much better, but I'm glad I was wrong!

I know equity at startups is never a sure thing, but they do seem on track to going public - and the company is not a cyclical business run by psychopaths like my current place of employment, so maybe they'll make it! lol.

Thanks for letting me have meltdowns in here, it helped. I'm still slightly bothered about some of my friends making significantly more base somewhere else, but the equity could have a huge upside and I feel good about the company I'm joining. They treated me really well throughout the interview process.

spatula posted:

Another company I was waiting on got back to me with a much better offer, today I asked them for a 10k signing bonus "to sign today" and ended up with an extra 10k on my base salary instead. Ended up being $195k base + equity in RSUs ($285k new hire grant w/ 1yr cliff, $95k annual refresher based on performance). They had initially given me a base range of $140-178k telling me the end of the range would be hard to get approved, I basically said "lol that sucks" and I wasn't expecting them to do much better, but I'm glad I was wrong!

I know equity at startups is never a sure thing, but they do seem on track to going public - and the company is not a cyclical business run by psychopaths like my current place of employment, so maybe they'll make it! lol.

Thanks for letting me have meltdowns in here, it helped. I'm still slightly bothered about some of my friends making significantly more base somewhere else, but the equity could have a huge upside and I feel good about the company I'm joining. They treated me really well throughout the interview process.

spatula posted:

Another company I was waiting on got back to me with a much better offer, today I asked them for a 10k signing bonus "to sign today" and ended up with an extra 10k on my base salary instead. Ended up being $195k base + equity in RSUs ($285k new hire grant w/ 1yr cliff, $95k annual refresher based on performance). They had initially given me a base range of $140-178k telling me the end of the range would be hard to get approved, I basically said "lol that sucks" and I wasn't expecting them to do much better, but I'm glad I was wrong!

I know equity at startups is never a sure thing, but they do seem on track to going public - and the company is not a cyclical business run by psychopaths like my current place of employment, so maybe they'll make it! lol.

Thanks for letting me have meltdowns in here, it helped. I'm still slightly bothered about some of my friends making significantly more base somewhere else, but the equity could have a huge upside and I feel good about the company I'm joining. They treated me really well throughout the interview process.

spatula posted:

Another company I was waiting on got back to me with a much better offer, today I asked them for a 10k signing bonus "to sign today" and ended up with an extra 10k on my base salary instead. Ended up being $195k base + equity in RSUs ($285k new hire grant w/ 1yr cliff, $95k annual refresher based on performance). They had initially given me a base range of $140-178k telling me the end of the range would be hard to get approved, I basically said "lol that sucks" and I wasn't expecting them to do much better, but I'm glad I was wrong!

I know equity at startups is never a sure thing, but they do seem on track to going public - and the company is not a cyclical business run by psychopaths like my current place of employment, so maybe they'll make it! lol.

Thanks for letting me have meltdowns in here, it helped. I'm still slightly bothered about some of my friends making significantly more base somewhere else, but the equity could have a huge upside and I feel good about the company I'm joining. They treated me really well throughout the interview process.

Xguard86 posted:

Nice! And 195 base ain't bad even if you don't see equity $.