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hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

happyhippy posted:

Looking forward to the 'Whose the best Captain' debates a decade from now.

Boimler, of course

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Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

MikeJF posted:

Have you ever seen Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Yes and that dungeon was full of Indy references, it just didn't feel right to bring up Indiana Jones when the clumsy wow dungeon version was already generous


What happens if you shoot while they're doing the jump-spin? Seems like the spin might just slam itself into anything chunked at it in the moment.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Khanstant posted:

Yes and that dungeon was full of Indy references, it just didn't feel right to bring up Indiana Jones when the clumsy wow dungeon version was already generous

What happens if you shoot while they're doing the jump-spin? Seems like the spin might just slam itself into anything chunked at it in the moment.

A timed warhead just casually yeeted into the middle of your fancy transformation jump

Big "oh gently caress" moment on re-form

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Taear posted:

It'll get at least seven series and every single one will be utterly different from the other
Beyond the characters, it doesn't even feel related to series 1 now
I think more than anything, that's what sticks out to me the most about Discovery. All of the other shows have a through line and can probably be described in a single sentence. I don't know what Discovery's is.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

Nichael posted:

I think more than anything, that's what sticks out to me the most about Discovery. All of the other shows have a through line and can probably be described in a single sentence. I don't know what Discovery's is.

*SPOCK gif-ishly*

M I C H A E L B U R N H A M

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


https://twitter.com/TrekGeekBill/status/1494746108530237447

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.
Well, gently caress. We get ONE pretty decent episode, with an actually interesting (and waaay overdue) plot development, and then right back to boring, implausible drivel. I'm actually really looking forward to Picard. Pretty sure no matter how terrible it might be, it won't be boring.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

It will most certainly bring up emotions, that is pretty much given. :)

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

hiddenriverninja posted:

Boimler, of course

Yeah but which one.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Timby posted:

I get irrationally angry over detached nacelles.

I get it, but I knew I wasn't going to be watching for the ship designs after that godawful teaser of the Discovery flying out of the asteroid dock.

Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Feb 19, 2022

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Peachfart posted:

Please shut the gently caress up about Star Wars, there are several Star Wars threads you can talk about far inferior Sci fi series in.

Expecting a space opera thread to stay on-topic is the absolute height of folly.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
pics of the enterprise from the new jj trek

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
It's been written by Kevin J Anderson?

bltzn
Oct 26, 2020

For the record I do not have a foot fetish.
Has Michael ever been wrong about anything, ever?

I mean I guess she was this time because she refused to blow up Book's ship but of course there won't be any consequences for her.

Khanstant posted:

pics of the enterprise from the new jj trek


bltzn fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Feb 19, 2022

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
i actually dig that big chonky boy right there

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Okay so the DMA is this device that some extra-galaxy entity is using to mine for a specific element. Someone (Tarka) goes and finds the cause of it, destroys it, but it returns in the same spot it was in.

"We made first contact."

I put a worm on the end of a fishing line. I cast it into a part of a lake, I feel a nibble, I pull the line, and the worm is gone. I put the worm back on the hook and cast it out to the same part of the lake.

Fish didn't make first contact with me.

This show's writing really sucks.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





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No but you know the fish is there. You are now aware of the worm eater, just like 10C is now aware of the DMA Destroyer

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
how the gently caress did you get the worm back if the fish took it?

Pyroi
Aug 17, 2013

gay elf noises
reach into the water and pluck it from the fish

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Pyroi posted:

reach into the water and pluck it from the fish

If they're extra dimensional it's the same worm, yeah.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
I wonder how the Disco crew is gonna worm their way out of this predicament.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

bltzn posted:

Has Michael ever been wrong about anything, ever?

She starts a war while disobeying direct orders and doing a goddamn mutiny


The problem isn't that she's never wrong, its that the show never holds her accountable for it except during the first three episodes of the show. She's been wrong almost all season.

They started the season doing the whole "there's always a way" bit with the President cautioning that just because Burnham has been lucky doesn't mean she always will be. A better written show would have had that pan out at the end of this episode with Burnham losing her command, which I was half expecting following the Penultimate scene with Saru being called to the bridge.

Instead, they all had hugs and Michael suffered ZERO consequences for letting her boyfriend's accomplice declare war on an advanced civilization

If Starfleet were a real military organization they would have broken that crew up several missions ago. They are a huge liability and they take so many unnecessary risks.

Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Feb 19, 2022

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Charity Porno posted:

She starts a war while disobeying direct orders and doing a goddamn mutiny


Basically, the only bit of the show that Fuller was responsible for.

Seemlar
Jun 18, 2002
It bears reminding that not only did Burnham not start the war, the action she tried to take would have averted it if she'd succeeded

So not a great choice for a "times Burnham was wrong" example

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Seemlar posted:

It bears reminding that not only did Burnham not start the war, the action she tried to take would have averted it if she'd succeeded

So not a great choice for a "times Burnham was wrong" example

Mutiny is still pretty wrong in most cases, including this one e

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Burnham’s actions couldn’t have prevented a war either way because the other side was acting in bad faith and meant to start a war no matter what. The Klingon leader was completely fine with the possibility of getting smoked and becoming a martyr.

At the time I was exercised about this being a bad introduction to Burnham’s character and how the situation seemed contrived to make her a hapless buffoon of fate. Unfortunately it was grounded, sane, and even dramatically forceful compared to the kind of poo poo that followed it up.

skasion fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Feb 19, 2022

Seemlar
Jun 18, 2002
T'Kuvma's pitch the the Klingon houses to unite and go to war was basically "The Federation seeks to conquer us by insidiously pretending to be our friends while actually seeking to destroy our culture, if you don't believe me just watch: soon a Federation battle fleet will arrive here and then instead of attacking, they will contact us and pretend they are here peacefully to make friends with us"

Burnham tried to shoot him in the face before the other Klingon houses arrived, if she'd pulled it off there might have still be a fight but averting the war would have been possible as T'Kuvma would have had zero credibility with the houses to unite them the way he did. It was absolutely a situation of bad faith completely orchestrated to start a conflict but T'Kuvma's plan was built around Starfleet acting as Starfleet protocols demand they do, which Burnham tried to break.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




skasion posted:


At the time I was exercised about this being a bad introduction to Burnham’s character and how the situation seemed contrived to make her a hapless buffoon of fate. Unfortunately it was grounded, sane, and even dramatically forceful compared to the kind of poo poo that followed it up.

Hapless buffoon of fate kinda makes sense given Fuller's Sliding Doors plan for season one.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Seemlar posted:

T'Kuvma's pitch the the Klingon houses to unite and go to war was basically "The Federation seeks to conquer us by insidiously pretending to be our friends while actually seeking to destroy our culture, if you don't believe me just watch: soon a Federation battle fleet will arrive here and then instead of attacking, they will contact us and pretend they are here peacefully to make friends with us"

I've said it before in the thread but this story would have made SO MUCH MORE SENSE if it was set after DS9

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Taear posted:

I've said it before in the thread but this story would have made SO MUCH MORE SENSE if it was set after DS9

Insidious, like root beer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bskhLaJYd8

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
i always watch that whole scene when posted. That's stellar side-storying. Only possible because DS9 didn't have a spore drive ;_;

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017


Wtf is this poo poo? No explosions, the camera stays in a fixed position, and no one explains how feelings work.

LinkesAuge
Sep 7, 2011
Can a director please tell SMG that she doesn't have to constantly use her "whisper" voice. She overuses it so, so much. I wouldn't mind it in SOME really emotional scenes but she uses it all the time and it's just annoying, especially if done outside private/personal scenes.

I will also once again say that Saru continues to be the single highlight of this show. He is the one character that could show up on TNG, Ds9 or Voyager and wouldn't feel out of place at all. His little "romance" with the vulcan lady has for me already more substance than the Burnham/Book melodrama (maybe because there is actually some subtlety to it and it feels geniuine/wholesome in a way that the show often lacks because everything always has to be done with 110% intensity).
Doug Jones, Anson Mount and Jason Isaacs have now all shown that you can still have strong performances despite Discovery's issue so I do put some blame on some of the other actors.
Even Ethan Peck as Spock did a good job with the poor material he was given. Also a shoutout to Oded Fehr, I like him as minor character, maybe the best Federation admiral we have seen so I might include him in the list of character I could imagine in past Trek shows, shame he is only the "quest NPC" of this show.

I don't want to be too harsh on the rest of the cast, it's mostly just okay/average and they would be absolutetly serviceable (some could even be good if properly used) for a Trek show but in total there are too few characters (actors) who elevate the show and the writing certainly can't carry the show.

LinkesAuge fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Feb 19, 2022

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Khanstant posted:

how the gently caress did you get the worm back if the fish took it?
haha oops I meant to say I put a new worm, not the worm. But whatever, it was a bad analogy but I didn't want to put more thought into a "put a thing somewhere, thing disappears, I shrug and replace thing" scenario.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
😉

I'm still holding out that it's not First Contact on both ends and the Dallas Museum of Art aliens didn't even noticed the hiccup, sometimes their miners go on the fritz, no big deal to them. Like having to yank the cord on a lawnmower because it just turns off sometimes, no reason to ever investigate further.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Out of curiosity I had a look at the Discovery Reddit and they have a “no criticism” rule. You’re only allowed to post criticisms in a specific “criticisms thread”.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Mr. Apollo posted:

Out of curiosity I had a look at the Discovery Reddit and they have a “no criticism” rule. You’re only allowed to post criticisms in a specific “criticisms thread”.

This is because it was all negative threads
Because it's a poo poo show

And the mods who actually like it decided to remove any sort of salt whatsoever, making the reddit totally pointless.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

lol

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

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Penitent
Jul 8, 2005

The Lemonade Man Can
So on the subject of Star Wars, who remembers that time Discovery and Enterprise launched hundreds and hundreds of one-man fighters and did a riff on the Battle of Endor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfaTZC2IJSA&t=121s

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