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Demiurge4 posted:At this point I just read the comic out of habit tbh.
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oof, this sucks
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Feb 18, 2022 14:24
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he even stops it in the 'i'm a cool protagonist' way.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:37
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HEH, just a warning this time, pal! you better not try anything like this again, or you'll have me to answer to! scram, punks!!
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Feb 18, 2022 16:38
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Niavmai posted:he even stops it in the 'i'm a cool protagonist' way. The problem is “goes too far” is pretty hard to establish with attempted rape since many people would not see murdering or severely injuring a rapist as all that extreme. If this is Tom’s intent, then it would have been better with one elf boy and her just getting flirty and Loup acts like a sociopath in response.
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Feb 18, 2022 17:50
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I'm thinking about an alternate scene where they try to trick or scam her in some embarrassing way that's cruel but not creepy. In that case Loup going ninja killer mode and physically hurting someone would instantly be a much more resounding "wow that's extreme, dude."
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Feb 18, 2022 18:22
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safe to say that there are a lot of better ways this could have gone other than the way it appears to actually be going
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Feb 18, 2022 18:28
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My confidence in Tom Siddell's storytelling instincts are at an all-time low. It wasn't always like this, but things have been getting worse over the last couple years. I wonder if something happened.
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Feb 18, 2022 18:41
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Yeah like, it depends on what we're supposed to take away from this scene, but it's guaranteed that it could have been portrayed without the creepiness lmao. Are we supposed to be rooting for Loup here? Thinking he's overreacting? Is this supposed to be showing that the robo-people aren't prepared for the world? That the elves are stereotypes of refugees? I honestly can't even tell if Lana is uncomfortable or not, she mostly just seems innocently unaware of the implications happening, like a small child. It's just...so uncomfortable and gross on so many levels. e: the comments on this one are suuuuure gunna be something!!!!
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Feb 18, 2022 18:42
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I got nothing, this is worse than my pessimistic predictions. gently caress, man. This sequence is just... it's not even a craft level problem, from root conception this scene is just gross. And it makes Lana and the elf chavs both much, much worse that the story was building towards this interaction.
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Feb 18, 2022 19:19
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Joe Slowboat posted:I got nothing, this is worse than my pessimistic predictions. I'm thinking back to how the elves have been portrayed up to this point, and the only positive depictions of them seem to have happened in the forest, excluding specific named characters. Otherwise they've just been displaced background characters confusedly commenting on/attacking the cast at various points. And now they're attempted rapists. This isn't really a good look.
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Feb 18, 2022 19:35
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it's really impressive that tom managed to perform racism, classism, anti-refugee sentiment, and a whole confused sexual thing in the space of two pages
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Patware posted:it's really impressive that tom managed to perform racism, classism, anti-refugee sentiment, and a whole confused sexual thing in the space of two pages And the misogynist "female character is too airheaded to realize the Dangers of this world and must be protected by strong man who physically threatens the other men" trope. The one good thing I can say is that Loup has a funny face in the last panel.
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Feb 18, 2022 19:50
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Tiny Myers posted:With a character that's coded as a teenager, no less!  The thread reading this page
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CodfishCartographer posted:
Behold, a political cartoon 
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Bongo Bill posted:My confidence in Tom Siddell's storytelling instincts are at an all-time low. It wasn't always like this, but things have been getting worse over the last couple years. I wonder if something happened. A pandemic happened. You can trace the start of the comic's problems with conveying what Tom wanted back to pretty much exactly the time Covid started hitting.
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Feb 18, 2022 21:24
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god loving drat it
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There Bias Two posted:a girl to be sexually assaulted as a prop.
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Tenebrais posted:A pandemic happened. You can trace the start of the comic's problems with conveying what Tom wanted back to pretty much exactly the time Covid started hitting. Hmm. "She Gave Us An Ocean" started in Feb. 2020. Is it after this point that it started to seem like things were going downhill? I think my first little pang of disappointment was how too tidy the resolution of the tic-toc bird thing was, and that was in June of 2020, so this makes some sense.
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Feb 18, 2022 21:42
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Maybe this was all an excuse for Tom to show how good he is at drawing hands? I miss when the comic made me think things like that. Something something Tony pun.
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at the risk of giving the thread more ammunition, whoever is approving the comments: this loving sucks this is the second strip in a row approving comments like this e: to be clear, i still do not see eye-to-eye with a lot of the negative comments on these pages, i just don't like seeing comments like these, for pages like these! i'm not gonna thought police other comments or commenters, i think it's interesting to see different perspectives, but this particular perspective i could do without The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Feb 18, 2022 |
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Feb 18, 2022 21:49
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Yeah, I think I'm done reading for a while, at least until the thread makes it look like things have turned around again.
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The 7th Guest posted:at the risk of giving the thread more ammunition, whoever is approving the comments loving sucks Mercifully, most of the comments / reddit posts are not like this. On the other hand, most of them are talking about how great Loup is now, and how naïve Lana is, so if that was Tom's goal with these strips (ugh) then it seems to have worked!! e: seeing that some of the comments on the comic are obviously doubles that have been submitted twice, it wouldn't surprise me if the comment "approval" process is just an automated one to ensure there's no bot spam and to filter out slurs etc. Though maybe that's just denial on my part, I have to hope these aren't personally approved CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Feb 18, 2022 |
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CodfishCartographer posted:e: seeing that some of the comments on the comic are obviously doubles that have been submitted twice, it wouldn't surprise me if the comment "approval" process is just an automated one to ensure there's no bot spam and to filter out slurs etc. Though maybe that's just denial on my part, I have to hope these aren't personally approved
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The 7th Guest posted:at the risk of giving the thread more ammunition, whoever is approving the comments: this loving sucks Maybe articulate your position and defend it then, little drive by grumps like this just come across as petulant.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Maybe articulate your position and defend it then, little drive by grumps like this just come across as petulant.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Maybe articulate your position and defend it then, little drive by grumps like this just come across as petulant. im pretty sure theyre just saying that they find comments asking for pornography of the characters to be utterly distasteful, if not outright immoral?
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The 7th Guest posted:i still do not see eye-to-eye with a lot of the negative comments on these pages This is the much more questionable part of that post that maybe needs articulating
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I mean, this thread has already had someone posting fanart by an artist that not only makes NSFW drawings of Gunnerkrigg characters, but also drawings of the characters in Nazi uniforms. Like, this past December. Thankfully they haven't posted since then, though
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There Bias Two posted:I'm thinking back to how the elves have been portrayed up to this point, and the only positive depictions of them seem to have happened in the forest, excluding specific named characters. Otherwise they've just been displaced background characters confusedly commenting on/attacking the cast at various points. Patware posted:it's really impressive that tom managed to perform racism, classism, anti-refugee sentiment, and a whole confused sexual thing in the space of two pages Tiny Myers posted:With a character that's coded as a teenager, no less! Lots of other valid points in here but these sum it up for me and I can't quote everyone. I legit thought we'd have some sort of interesting if awkward, maybe even fun interaction between these two groups (though maybe not Loup) when they first bumped into each other, but loving yikes. It also makes me wonder why Tom chose elves for this and not human students, though I don't think he should have chose this direction at all. I am also done. Thanks for the comic recommendations people have been giving. I'll have to start reading some.
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Feb 18, 2022 23:35
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See what happens when we stray too far from the light of Tony
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"Does Tom manually approve comments?" Yes and no, I guess? (Source: https://twitter.com/gunnerkrigg/status/1494821726986846214) A bit of a muddy answer that sounds like he's just been letting whatever through without looking because they'll be deleted in two days anyway. Like, on one hand yeah that's extra work and psychic damage for someone with a difficult job, but on the other hand it's a YA comic and we had someone in this very thread say "I have recommended this to young girls I know". Maybe hire someone. I'm sure there's superfans that would volunteer for the position.
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Splicer posted:I think they mean the "woo gangbang" perspective is the one they could do without Yeah that’s what I’m referring to. There’s no excuse for comments like that to be approved, let alone across multiple strips. These are comics that make people uncomfortable and comments like that are irresponsible to write and irresponsible to approve. If some idiot was posting “R34 please” on a comic with Kat’s parents or w/e I wouldn’t care, but on pages like this, and especially bringing up gangbanging, the moderator/Tom should be extra careful not to let that stuff slip through. Also, not to go all “think of the children” but kids are reading too. As for “debate me!!”, no thanks. I have roommates that are cartoonists and also read GC that I can have a discussion with, and I’d rather do that, and just read here and GC comments to see what peoples different perspectives are (twitter’s dead silent on it, of all places). I don’t see eye to eye with the most negative ones but I am not gonna challenge them either. This isn’t like a couple of weeks ago, these are pretty complicated pages to discuss and like one poster already said, no one should be told they’re wrong for feeling upset (I don’t think that way about anyone’s opinion anyway). I just think it sucks that odious creep posting is sneaking through on GC’s comment page. It used to be more of a creep free-for-all before the moderation, way back in the day, like just after football head era. People who wouldn’t stop commenting on Anne’s beauty, it would sometimes get dunked on in the webcomic thread… at least I think it predates this thread. I’ve been on SA a long time lol.
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worth noting that i just went through the comments (i have a friend i torture by copy-pasting bad ones at her) and despite tom seeing and responding to that tweet the gangbang comment is still in there
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Patware posted:worth noting that i just went through the comments (i have a friend i torture by copy-pasting bad ones at her) and despite tom seeing and responding to that tweet the gangbang comment is still in there I should've been more diligent. Past tense. Nothing to do about it now but leave it up over the weekend
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Well, the "Does it really matter if my comment section is about gangbanging teen girls when it's deleted later?" has finished putting the nails in this coffin. What are some good webcomics I should be reading besides sleepless domain and kill six billion demons? Might as well pick up some good ones on the way out of this thread.
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coolusername posted:What are some good webcomics I should be reading besides sleepless domain and kill six billion demons? Might as well pick up some good ones on the way out of this thread. Vattu
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coolusername posted:Well, the "Does it really matter if my comment section is about gangbanging teen girls when it's deleted later?" has finished putting the nails in this coffin. I continue to stump for Bybloemen.
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I fell off of Vattu because I was busy irl and wanted to just go through it all when it was done. That was twelve years ago.
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