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This would be Minsk 3 anyway.
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Feb 23, 2022 23:47
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Wesley Snipes
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Feb 23, 2022 23:50
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Me smiling serenely as my casket is lowered into the ground while this post is read aloud to the crying audience.
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Feb 23, 2022 23:56
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:worked for your mom My mom died last summer, you heartless monster.
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Feb 23, 2022 23:59
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really queer Christmas posted:Me smiling serenely as my casket is lowered into the ground while this post is read aloud to the crying audience. I think you'll like this one too. https://twitter.com/witchybitchych1/status/1496378081484935170
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Feb 23, 2022 23:59
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lol wew
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Feb 24, 2022 00:04
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SchrodingersCat posted:My mom died last summer, you heartless monster. Died from delight at seeing a bunch of massive hogs
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Feb 24, 2022 00:04
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lolling at the news here in australia just breathlessly repeating """US intelligence""" that there COULD be an IMMINENT invasion SOON. like fmd
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Feb 24, 2022 00:07
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PawParole posted:theres no reason why Ukraine can't sign Minsk Two, build up its army, and break the treaty anyway I guess something that could have helped was France and Germany publicly declaring that they'd veto Ukraine's NATO bid. It's not like we're even pretending that we'd start a shooting war over Ukraine's borders.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:07
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Frosted Flake posted:I know I just posted this the other day, but they had 30 years!. They got to enjoy that to their hearts’ content! Any failure to make good on that is their own. I mean, they spent most of that 30 years gradually absorbing eastern Europe into the American sphere of influence, expanding NATO, slowly dismantling/ignoring strategic arms treaties, etc. And they will continue along that path. You say if they hadn't done XYZ we wouldn't be here, but "here" is where they wanted to be. There is really no outcome here that doesn't further long term western objectives regarding Russia. As long as Russia is treated like an economic outsider to the rest of Europe, it will have a very hard time arresting its industrial and demographic decline (as would any western country without a good market for manufactured goods or meaningful immigration). That, and the continued encirclement of Russia by a hostile military alliance, is the whole point. Ukraine getting steamrolled, or not getting steamrolled, or whatever, doesn't really matter. Morbus has issued a correction as of 00:16 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Feb 24, 2022 00:08
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Died from delight at seeing a bunch of massive hogs Ok, I was pulling a bit but there's no way I can top that. thatfatkid posted:"""US intelligence""" This is an oxymoron.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:08
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Russia doesn’t need to call up Reserves for units with the BTG organization. That was the point of those army reforms. A hard core of professional all-year fighting power with no reservists or conscripts. Additionally, unless the Reservists were just on those wargames, they would need time to assemble and work up. Even what the soviets used to call iirc Class A Reserves*, that just draw vehicles from units and not mobilization centres, have been in the field somewhat recently etc , it would take at least a while for them to get up to speed - during general mobilization for WW3 or wargames for a limited conflict. B and C echelons have a lower peacetime readiness and need to draw equipment and assemble, they only have small peacetime cadres. * If Divisional size units start getting up to establishment strength and tank and motor rifle units start drawing vehicles from war storage, it should only be another reason for Zelensky to sign Minsk II or surrender. iirc Russia has ~600 T-80’s active and 3000 in storage*. I realize there are different readiness categories there, a large portion of them have not been fully modernized, some are stored for parts or export etc etc, but the point is that calling on the Reserves to fill units to full strength, that’s the end of Ukraine if they want it to be. Any war so intense that Russia is concerned their regulars will be fought out would destroy the Ukrainian state. So why not avoid that entirely? What about not signing Minsk II is worth that kind of confrontation? Do you know what I mean? If that force is getting ready to come to grips with you, there’s nothing you can do. Suppose Russia does call up Reservists - that still gives a few days, 1-3, maybe more these days, where they are getting notices, assembling, getting cosmolene off their equipment, doing refamiliarization, getting formed into units - that’s all time to work out a diplomatic solution. I realize that’s why it works as a bluff, but it’s also a very compelling reason to sign loving Minsk II, goddamn. *May not be current to 2021
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Feb 24, 2022 00:09
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Frosted Flake posted:Russia doesn’t need to call up Reserves for units with the BTG organization. That was the point of those army reforms. A hard core of professional all-year fighting power with no reservists or conscripts. Is this post from December because lmao
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Feb 24, 2022 00:11
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https://twitter.com/s_udaltsov/status/1496462103875567616?s=20&t=xokEQPeqQuI89_Ao3gMhsgquote:Calls are heard among those gathered: “Russia without Putin and the oligarchs!”, “After the recognition of Donbass, a turn to socialism is needed!”, “Cancel the pension reform!”, “Enough repression!”, “Money to the people, not the oligarchs!”, “Nationalization raw materials industry!”, “Against DEG and QR codes!”
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Feb 24, 2022 00:13
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/s_udaltsov/status/1496462103875567616?s=20&t=xokEQPeqQuI89_Ao3gMhsg finally this thread gets behind the right candidate why stop at Ukraine when you can support the KPRF, with the official policy of immediately restoring Soviet borders with nuclear weapons if necessary
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Feb 24, 2022 00:14
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still saying russia is going to invade today or tomorrow, but also they invaded yesterday and every day since 2014 and yet
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Feb 24, 2022 00:16
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USSR 2.0 ahead of schedule
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Feb 24, 2022 00:17
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lol holy gently caress dude, sign the drat treaty. Unless he thinks he can win a war that starts at 4am local time, and all evidence points to “no”, I’m a loss here.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:18
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Doing Black Putin as a Cum Town bit
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Feb 24, 2022 00:19
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Frosted Flake posted:lol holy gently caress dude, sign the drat treaty. He can't. Putin is not answering the phone.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:22
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Frosted Flake posted:lol holy gently caress dude, sign the drat treaty. The govt are all, 100%, absolute dupes who have just been goaded into calling putin's bluff by their western partners* (who, again, get what they want out of this regardless of the outcome to Ukraine). They have no idea what they are doing and are just, like, going with the flow, man.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:24
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also if he capitulated now one imagines that he'd wake up with a bullet in the back of the head next morning
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Feb 24, 2022 00:25
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So the question becomes, is it an offensive to clear Ukraine from DNR/LNR, an offensive against Ukraine beyond those borders, and are those two things going to be considered one and the same by outside powers. An "offensive" could just mean pushing Ukrainian forces out of the contested region, and if Ukraine was smart they would start backing up now. They can't win and sacrificing lives isn't going to make NATO explode this from a regional war to a continental war.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:27
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SchrodingersCat posted:So the question becomes, is it an offensive to clear Ukraine from DNR/LNR, an offensive against Ukraine beyond those borders, and are those two things going to be considered one and the same by outside powers. Yeah, best-case scenario is a repeat of Georgia '08.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:29
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SchrodingersCat posted:So the question becomes, is it an offensive to clear Ukraine from DNR/LNR, an offensive against Ukraine beyond those borders, and are those two things going to be considered one and the same by outside powers. Either way, he can withdraw his troops beyond there while insisting it was to prevent bloodshed and does not signal de jure recognition, he could sign Minsk III or IV, whichever we’re on now. Sitting there to take it on the chin for no real reason.. other than to be a proxy for the West, it’s not great.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:30
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ukraine go home
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Feb 24, 2022 00:31
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It's too late to pull back. poo poo, they never mobilized. Russia is going to loving take Kharkiv and it'll all be because they Zelensky ordered his troops to keep their pants down.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:31
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i think there's a real chance that some elements of the ukrainian military would outright mutiny if instructed to withdraw without a fight
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Feb 24, 2022 00:32
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Dolphin posted:Post a good post. LMAO
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Feb 24, 2022 00:33
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Morbus posted:The govt are all, 100%, absolute dupes who have just been goaded into calling putin's bluff by their western partners* (who, again, get what they want out of this regardless of the outcome to Ukraine). They have no idea what they are doing and are just, like, going with the flow, man. It’s driving me crazy. The West already showed that they are not in this to win it. There’s no help forthcoming. It’s unfair that Zelensky got cornered like this, absolutely. It’s also up to him to get out.
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Feb 24, 2022 00:34
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lumpentroll posted:LMAO lmao
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Feb 24, 2022 00:35
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496620932672147466?s=20&t=4yWOXI8z5w0JbaBaMUApEw I can’t be attacking Donbas, some of my best friends are from Donbas
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Feb 24, 2022 00:36
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Putin - "We really want everyone to abide by Minsk, we wont recognize the regions if you just stick to Minsk" Zelensky - "You dont know about the political situation inside the country, Minsk is dead and maybe we should get nuclear weapons" Putin - "You've done hosed up, you loving idiot, we give you an out and you gently caress up" Zelensky - *in russian* "I beg you please dont gently caress us up"
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Feb 24, 2022 00:36
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V. Illych L. posted:i think there's a real chance that some elements of the ukrainian military would outright mutiny if instructed to withdraw without a fight Well then it’s their prerogative to get overrun I guess. Unlike Brave Little Belgium, the BEF and French are not coming to help them, and even then Belgium was not in an enviable position from 1914-18 even though it maintained control over a sliver of territory. The west was willing to push this to the brink to kill the pipeline and Minsk II, but at the brink, he made his point, got a few Javelins, and is a cause celebre in the West. Time to save your nation dude. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 00:39 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Feb 24, 2022 00:37
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lol
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Feb 24, 2022 00:37
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lumpentroll posted:LMAO lol i never get the good PMs
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Feb 24, 2022 00:37
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lumpentroll posted:LMAO i wanna see the death threats lol
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Feb 24, 2022 00:37
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lumpentroll posted:LMAO lol Tried to be a main character and instead sent to oblivion
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Feb 24, 2022 00:38
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