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Pistol_Pete posted:What do you think his real reason is then. Why does
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If nato had agreed to Ukraine never joining he would of said "but how do I know you're not going to counterattack if I attack Ukraine. How about I attack Ukraine to test your resolve to not counterattack if I attack Ukraine" He's been preparing a full scale invasion for months, years including all the propaganda and poo poo
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Well, it took longer than I thought, but it looks like Threads is finally going to be a documentary.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:24
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Blaming Nato is 100% victim blaming and comes straight from the Putin disinformation book. There's a lot of disinformation being pumped into our feeds, so it's easy for people to adopt propaganda such as this. The other thread is a great place to lurk and educate.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:25
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Russia is not a friend of the left and arguably never has been.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:27
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Russia is not a friend of the left and arguably never has been. Yup, and it saddens me that so many people on the left think Russia is their friend, and digest anything from RT/Sputnik news as gospel.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:35
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It's mad we had Putin on TV straight up saying Ukraine doesn't exist, never has, and is Russia, but people are still pulling the "this is just because they were trying to join NATO" bollocks.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:35
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Lol the hand-cranked air-raid siren I bought as a joke last week arrived yesterday and now I'm wondering just how much chaos I could cause with it.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:41
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bustin keaton posted:It's mad we had Putin on TV straight up saying Ukraine doesn't exist, never has, and is Russia, but people are still pulling the "this is just because they were trying to join NATO" bollocks. I find it hard to accept anybody ever truly believed Putin was actually worried about the West invading Russia. goddamnedtwisto posted:Lol the hand-cranked air-raid siren I bought as a joke last week arrived yesterday and now I'm wondering just how much chaos I could cause with it. Maybe don't.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:42
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fuctifino posted:Yup, and it saddens me that so many people on the left think Russia is their friend, and digest anything from RT/Sputnik news as gospel. I honestly think we're overestimating how many leftists think that. From what I've seen it's just a handful of nobodies and dimwits, but they're getting a lot of screen time from people dunking on them. It's a lot more common on the right. The Russian strategy of funding far right groups is paying dividends now.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:43
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Are you ready for some HOT TAKES? https://twitter.com/JonMarcStanley/status/1496626558437576704
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Feb 24, 2022 09:43
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Lol the hand-cranked air-raid siren I bought as a joke last week arrived yesterday and now I'm wondering just how much chaos I could cause with it. This you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp96Bdvhgw4
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Feb 24, 2022 09:45
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Bug Squash posted:I honestly think we're overestimating how many leftists think that. I'm basing my point of view from observing my social media feed. It's certainly not a majority of leftists, but it's a significant amount.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:45
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Lol the hand-cranked air-raid siren I bought as a joke last week arrived yesterday and now I'm wondering just how much chaos I could cause with it. Do it.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Lol the hand-cranked air-raid siren I bought as a joke last week arrived yesterday and now I'm wondering just how much chaos I could cause with it. If nothing else you can use it for quasi-musical purposes like Mary Bendy Toy.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:46
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At some point, somehow, the water supply got knocked out by the storms, it's my long weekend and this is kinda loving me over a bit, i wanted to bathe and shave today. Can I boil spring water in a kettle or will it wreck things, is it possible to boil enough water from a spring in the kettle to get a hot bath? Any other suggestions for getting clean without mains water?
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Feb 24, 2022 09:47
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Can't wait until Ben Wallace and his boys make their landing in Crimea, going to turn this whole thing around.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:48
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Sounds like someone woke the RAF up, got jet roars over here.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:49
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fuctifino posted:I'm basing my point of view from observing my social media feed. It's certainly not a majority of leftists, but it's a significant amount. QAnon types love RT too. There's a whole weird cross-section of hippie woo merchants who have ultra right wing ideology now - bought together first by qanon now by anti-vax poo poo. Think - Piers Corbyn. A very thick thin end of a very weird wedge.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:50
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Are you ready for some HOT TAKES? Buries the lede a bit, I think. https://twitter.com/JonMarcStanley/status/1496630640141340678 Possibly the most absurd political take I have heard in the last... oh week at least. Give him a column in the guardian. Also need to photoshop that "Ireland, our Cuba?" poster to "Ireland, world's Russia?"
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Feb 24, 2022 09:51
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fuctifino posted:I'm basing my point of view from observing my social media feed. It's certainly not a majority of leftists, but it's a significant amount. Sounds like you've got some purging to do. If someone is falling hook line and sinker for RT then their not worth your time.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:53
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Bug Squash posted:Sounds like you've got some purging to do. If someone is falling hook line and sinker for RT then their not worth your time. None of these are friends of mine, but I'm observing other friends' interactions with people on their friends list. My own immediate circle has had multiple purges that would make Stalin proud.
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Feb 24, 2022 09:58
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More jets, guess they must have them on patrol over the north sea or something.
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People have also found themselves arguing under different frameworks - Mearsheimer saying that Russia's actions are 'because of NATO' are descriptive, not prescriptive. That's a Realist framework (and not the only one especially if you think that Putin is a fundamentally irrational actor). It's also completely orthogonal to a normative ethical framework, which IR theorists aren't necessarily concerning themselves with. Saying that 'a certain set of circumstances makes another set of circumstances more likely' is just looking at events in a causal chain, not attempting to say who is morally culpable.
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Feb 24, 2022 10:02
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Crankit posted:At some point, somehow, the water supply got knocked out by the storms, it's my long weekend and this is kinda loving me over a bit, i wanted to bathe and shave today. Can I boil spring water in a kettle or will it wreck things, is it possible to boil enough water from a spring in the kettle to get a hot bath? Bathing in it should be fine, but boiling enough for a full bath will take *forever*. It's wartime, have a hip bath. (Boiling spring water, as long as it's visibly clean, should be absolutely fine. If not filter it first, get a supermarket knockoff Brita filter, line the upper chamber with an old t-shirt or tea towel. Goes without saying you should filter and boil any water you're going to be drinking or cooking with, including any that comes out of the tap for a day or two after it comes back on)
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Oh good, Yank liberals have leaked into the thread. IMO you should have to deal with the fascists in your own country before you are allowed to use fascists in other countries as a paper thin casus belli. But sadly what I think doesn't matter
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Oh apparently it's a yank F15 doing donuts over the moors.
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Eagerly awaiting some of the hottakes from the more radical wing of the Scottish indy left today. I suspect that they will be especially insane.
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OwlFancier posted:Buries the lede a bit, I think. Hard to get mad at loony Unionist takes, they're just so loving stupid. I guess if I was up in Belfast and had these weirdos up in my face on a regular basis it would be more galling, but as it stands I read this stuff like 
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Feb 24, 2022 10:04
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OwlFancier posted:More jets, guess they must have them on patrol over the north sea or something. USAF jets currently patrolling the east coast, no RAF according to FR24. There's also a couple of tankers from Mildenhall orbiting just west of Ukraine so possibly some long-range recon missions taking off.
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https://www.flightradar24.com/GY61/2aec5951 I don't know what this guy has against the dales but I hope people over there are alright. I had some nutters decide to showboat over ullswater once when I went there and I nearly fell out of my rowboat it was that loud.
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Bug Squash posted:I honestly think we're overestimating how many leftists think that. From what I've seen it's just a handful of nobodies and dimwits, but they're getting a lot of screen time from people dunking on them. I think it's a lot more than you think. Pistol_Pete posted:Should probably have agreed never to join NATO while they had the chance, huh. Get hosed Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:USAF jets currently patrolling the east coast, no RAF according to FR24. There's also a couple of tankers from Mildenhall orbiting just west of Ukraine so possibly some long-range recon missions taking off. Nice that the RAF lads get to have a lie-in
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Ravel posted:People have also found themselves arguing under different frameworks - Mearsheimer saying that Russia's actions are 'because of NATO' are descriptive, not prescriptive. That's a Realist framework (and not the only one especially if you think that Putin is a fundamentally irrational actor). Sir this is a McDonalds.
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Feb 24, 2022 10:08
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Have to laugh at the tweets showing the queues outside Kiev petrol stations, poo poo was worse here when a couple of tanker drivers got covid.
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Feb 24, 2022 10:09
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Have to laugh at the tweets showing the queues outside Kiev petrol stations, poo poo was worse here when a couple of tanker drivers got covid. Yeah terrified people fleeing a military invasion is hilarious
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Rust Martialis posted:Yeah terrified people fleeing a military invasion is hilarious Yes, I'm definitely pointing at and mocking the Ukrainians, not the idiot hell fuckers that inhabit this island, you've got me bang to rights there.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:poo poo was worse here i think its this bit that sounds a little... cloth eared?
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Ravel posted:People have also found themselves arguing under different frameworks - Mearsheimer saying that Russia's actions are 'because of NATO' are descriptive, not prescriptive. That's a Realist framework (and not the only one especially if you think that Putin is a fundamentally irrational actor). Yeah, this is all very true. If you see this as fundamentally a conflict between two power blocs (NATO and a resurgent Russia), with Ukraine caught in the middle, your thinking is going to be starting from a different place to somebody who views it as fundamentally a case of Russian aggression, with the NATO question being at most a supporting justification. I don't consider people who take the Russian aggression view to be NATO apologists any more than I'm a Russian stooge for viewing the current events as the latest consequence of three decades of geopolitical conflict over this region.
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