Charlz Guybon posted:Eh...the Russians aren't going to be as cautious and methodical as an American army. They want to blast through as fast as possible, and if that means losing a hundred men where we would lose ten, they'll do that. What does the American army have to do with this? Also the US has no reason to be cautious or methodical and that isn’t really how we roll in an invasion, having an overwhelming advantage is a big deal and Russias edge here isn’t like US adventures in Iraq and the Stan
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Tigey posted:I got that impression too solely from the NSC meeting - several of the participants - cabinet members and the like - looked legitimately scared. yeah. said friend said the whole summoning the elector counts this was curious. John F Bennett posted:SUMMON THE OLIGARCHS gently caress you for taking my obvious jokes.
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So I'm seeing the old"NATO caused this escalation" argument on Twitter and the media... Is there any nuance to this argument, or is it just total nonsense at this stage of the game? Seems Putin's speech as a bit of a game changer...
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Ola posted:loving lol if the Russians fail. They can't take the cities without suffering huge losses. Even if they destroy every tank and plane the Ukrainian military has, there will always be armed Ukrainians hiding in pretty much every population center. I'm not entirely sure what Russia's end game is. No puppet regime will survive unless Russia commits to occupying almost the entire country for years to come.
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Paracausal posted:loving eat it Russia These are Ukrainian BMP-1s without russian invasion markings (Z, O or V)?
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Paracausal posted:loving eat it Russia People in the comments are saying those are Ukrainian BMPs. I don't know if that's true, but the Russian markings we've seen in recent days aren't in evidence at least.
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The Odessa reports were never confirmed , and probably panic from the early strikes against the naval base near there. There's a lot of unconfirmed reports right now. Here's a fairly decent map, accurate to about an hour ago. 
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BoldFace posted:They can't take the cities without suffering huge losses. Even if they destroy every tank and plane the Ukrainian military has, there will always be armed Ukrainians hiding in pretty much every population center. I'm not entirely sure what Russia's end game is. No puppet regime will survive unless Russia commits to occupying almost the entire country for years to come. thats my thing. even if they pull a "invasion over in 2 weeks" deal. this is gonna be long and bloody for them and ultimately taking/occupying a land that loving hates them and will fight against them. at best its a very pyrrhic victory.
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Dog Friday posted:So I'm seeing the old"NATO caused this escalation" argument on Twitter and the media... Is there any nuance to this argument, or is it just total nonsense at this stage of the game? Seems Putin's speech as a bit of a game changer... It's BS for people that want to be the central character of any drama and blame it on themselves, unable to grasp agency of any far away lands or inscrutable peoples. The conflict is long and complicated and it's 100% on Putin, his false history obsession and his idiot lackeys
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In the Georgia war Russia lost something like three tanks, twenty APC's, few dozen other vehicles, and some planes. Hundred-ish men dead. You can expect more losses in Ukraine as the operation is larger, but for a force the size of the invading force the dead would have to be counted in thousands to really matter. For another comparison, in the 2nd Chechnyan war Russians lost 7000 men dead. But Chechnya offered some great terrain for ambushes and counter-attacks and Russian army was operating on a completely different level in 1999.
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Dog Friday posted:So I'm seeing the old"NATO caused this escalation" argument on Twitter and the media... Is there any nuance to this argument, or is it just total nonsense at this stage of the game? Seems Putin's speech as a bit of a game changer... No it's absurdist performance art but it's literally the best thing they have
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Paracausal posted:loving eat it Russia I'm getting a "this page doesn’t exist" for this link.
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Dog Friday posted:So I'm seeing the old"NATO caused this escalation" argument on Twitter and the media... Is there any nuance to this argument, or is it just total nonsense at this stage of the game? Seems Putin's speech as a bit of a game changer... Nonsense, it basically comes from a high school level understanding of eastern European politics and an America centric worldview. But people itt have had this discussion about a million times already and everyone is so loving tired of constantly refuting the same propaganda talking points so I wouldn't go there. At least not while Russia is actively slaughtering innocent civilians
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Pook Good Mook posted:No it's absurdist performance art but it's literally the best thing they have Apparently NATO has invaded Ukraine https://twitter.com/Fio_edwards/status/1496826152207458314 e: you can have the 'perhaps NATO should have taken a different approach towards englargement in the 90 and 00's' conversation in general and there is a meaningful conversation to be had there, but anyone who woke up this morning and decided that the correct line is anything other than 'gently caress Putin' is really showing their true colours. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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BoldFace posted:They can't take the cities without suffering huge losses. Even if they destroy every tank and plane the Ukrainian military has, there will always be armed Ukrainians hiding in pretty much every population center. I'm not entirely sure what Russia's end game is. No puppet regime will survive unless Russia commits to occupying almost the entire country for years to come. But they haven't got their whole military might assembled, their morale might be low and their capability for incompetence should never be underestimated.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:yeah ukraine seems to have been caught off-guard by Russia invading from every direction except Belarus Kharkiv is quite far from Belarus. I’m still not up to speed with what’s happening, as possible as it is to be up to speed, but it looks like Kharkiv, Donbas, and Azov frontlines are holding. Crimea frontline is somewhere between breached and collapsed, and Belarus/Kyiv frontline so far seems to be healthy on the ground, and taking a pummelling from the air.
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Alchenar posted:Apparently NATO has invaded Ukraine Corbyn? I know less than nothing about what's he's been up to, but it seems both surprising and entirely unsurprising at the same time.
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I doubt most of those child conscripts in russian uniforms would want to be there. They'd probably prefer to sit in their room and play world of tanks or something.
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Is Russia “slaughtering” innocent civilians right now? Honest question
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Ghetto Prince posted:The Odessa reports were never confirmed , and probably panic from the early strikes against the naval base near there. There's a lot of unconfirmed reports right now. Holy poo poo I never realized the sheer scale of the size of Ukraine before. The Russians are trying to occupy that? Good luck Also if that map is remotely accurate Russian forces aren't doing nearly as well as the disinformation campaign online is making it sound. I also was reading that Ukraine has a huge amount of reserves. Can't win a war over twitter you loving genocidal gnome TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Count Roland posted:Is there confirmation of Russian marine landings at Odessa? I think we have only air strikes confirmed against Odessa as of yet. A Dnipro crossing near Kherson was shown to be secured by Russian forces, so the open question here is what’s the ground situation like between Kherson and Odessa.
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a cyberpunk goose posted:Is Russia “slaughtering” innocent civilians right now? Honest question Yes I don't think it's an honest question
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a podcast for cats posted:Corbyn? I know less than nothing about what's he's been up to, but it seems both surprising and entirely unsurprising at the same time. Not sure if it's incompetent propaganda or right wing satire.
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I dream of a future in which all teenagers can get high, play video games in their rooms, and jerk off to porn instead of fighting wars started by a drunk old man who had his brain poisoned by facebook posts.
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a cyberpunk goose posted:Is Russia “slaughtering” innocent civilians right now? Honest question They are pretty indiscriminately shelling with artillery. The world is used to modern western armies using laser guided bombs, and uh, Russian doctrine is just to blanket areas with artillery.
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TulliusCicero posted:Holy poo poo I never realized the sheer scale of the size of Ukraine before. The Russians are trying to occupy that? Good luck yeah. last night i assumed it was way smaller/they made way way more headway. me dumb i guess. cinci zoo sniper posted:I think we have only air strikes confirmed against Odessa as of yet. A Dnipro crossing near Kherson was shown to be secured by Russian forces, so the open question here is what’s the ground situation like between Kherson and Odessa. also the VDV stuff is probably bullshit too.
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freeasinbeer posted:They are pretty indiscriminately shelling with artillery. One people, one faith! Hearts and minds!
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a cyberpunk goose posted:Is Russia “slaughtering” innocent civilians right now? Honest question Putin has openly said they have "lists" of "undesirables" to round up. Take all the time you need. By the way, love the idea that he is going to Denazify a country with a Jewish elected president who had family who died in the Holocaust.
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a cyberpunk goose posted:Is Russia “slaughtering” innocent civilians right now? Honest question They started the invasion just hours ago, are you expecting them to live tweet their war crimes as they go? If something was happening to civilians how would we know about them and confirm that it's not baseless rumours? What I'm saying is if you want to know the answer then wait a few days or weeks.
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Alchenar posted:e: you can have the 'perhaps NATO should have taken a different approach towards englargement in the 90 and 00's' conversation in general and there is a meaningful conversation to be had there, but anyone who woke up this morning and decided that the correct line is anything other than 'gently caress Putin' is really showing their true colours.
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Sally Sprodgkin posted:Yes It is an honest question. I see lots of reports and updates about strikes on military bases and after math videos of disabled vehicles or abandoned techies, jets flying over etc, but I have not seen anything other than these sort of sterile moments or reports of open fire on random civilians. Not saying it’s not happening, I’m just trying to catch up. It’s an honest question.
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Gort posted:Wait, is it? I didn't know that. What's the logic? Aside from being kind of gross, it puts the prisoner in the position of having to look the right amount of bedragled to make your victory look better. But that's forcing them to work against their nation's interest, so you're coercing them to betray their country, which is an evil thing to do to someone who's life you control. Also there's the fact that if they look defiant and strong, the capturing army is probably going to... you know. Make them look worse. A lot of war crime laws are written to discourage torture. What is and isn't a war crime was defined before every soldier on both sides of the war had a personal device that allows them to record anything and share it with the world, so expect some rules to not reflect the reality of the internet. There's a world of difference between making a POW participate in gathering footage for a news reel, and taking a quick picture of that sorry sack of poo poo and posting him on twitter.
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a cyberpunk goose posted:It is an honest question. I see lots of reports and updates about strikes on military bases and after math videos of disabled vehicles or abandoned techies, jets flying over etc, but I have not seen anything other than these sort of sterile moments or reports of open fire on random civilians. Not saying it’s not happening, I’m just trying to catch up. It’s an honest question. There's already videos of kids getting blown up.
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a podcast for cats posted:Corbyn? I know less than nothing about what's he's been up to, but it seems both surprising and entirely unsurprising at the same time. He's uniformly anti-war. It doesn't mean he's pro-Russia. One of the big problems with him as leader is that he sticks to his principles no matter what. I respect it and all but agree that now is not the time. He'd probably push for UN peacekeepers to get involved, but sees NATO getting involved as extremely deadly.
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