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blue squares posted:Why is Russia willing to go to war over NATO? What does NATO actually do other than say "We don't like Russia and if Russia attacks one of us, we will fight together"? It's not as if NATO countries would ever attack Russia preemptively. It seems to me like the only point of NATO is to prevent Russia from expanding its borders through war? But if so, then Russia would have no reason to attack Ukraine to prevent them from joining if they were never planning on expanding there anyway. NATO coordinated the assaults on Afghanistan and Libya, it's offensive. It's stated goal is to oppose Russia. It's not surprising that Russian leadership thinks that the offensive alliance with a mission to oppose Russia might be a danger.
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Morbus posted:Appreciating the strategic encirclement and isolation of Russia by the west is important to understand the geopolitical basis of Russia's actions--as opposed to treating them like some inscrutable Mordor. It's possible to do that without, in an extremely stupid and misguided way, sympathizing with the Russian state as some kind of anti-imperialist or leftist influence in the world. Nobody said russia was leftist you dumbass What we’re saying is russia is 100% justified in preventing Ukraine from joining a nuclear military alliance given the last 30 years of nato bullshit in the region hth
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Feb 24, 2022 17:57
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:dont really understand any MLs still trying to defend this war. The first 30 mins of his declaration of war was putin crying about lenin & stalin & the nationalities policies of the Soviet Union and promising to finish decommunization lol MLs are all CIA/FBI at this point lol
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brugroffil posted:That would not justify US invasion and overthrowing of their governments no but it would explain it we almost had a nuclear war break out over the USSR putting missiles in Cuba
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fanfic insert posted:has anyone told the americans at the embassy? I thought the McDonald's was the American embassy.
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Feb 24, 2022 17:58
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hmmm it’s been several hours since the last major update I wonder what’s going on with the war… i genuinely wish there was some sense of how things are shaking out, everyone on the ukranians side is saying millions of Russian tanks are dying on the gates of Kiev while the Russian side is playing dead silent and it seems like they’re making slow but steady progress
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POWELL CURES KIDS posted:i'm going back and reading this thread, because tbh i have no idea what this ukraine bullshit is all about, but while i'm in the process of figuring that out i'd just like to congratulate everybody here for being so very right about what was going to happen. never doubt yourselves thanks
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WoodrowSkillson posted:i agree, i just am not going to shrug and not blame putin too is all. Doing nothing is indeed a distasteful and lovely decision to have to make as Russia, but I'm not going to budge on saying its wrong to invade another country and get a bunch of innocent people killed. it's just all sad and so very stupid, and i really hope the west does not start arming ukraine and turn this into a bloodbath, let Putin have his prize. yeah I think we’re on the same page. my critique of how the west has handled this (pushing for war, leading ukraine on then loving them over) doesn’t mean russia didn’t gave agency, im more flabbergasted that those stupid fucks didn’t just give the russians their goddamn pipeline or minsk or anything it’s all so pointless and horrifying
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Yudo posted:Assuming Nord Stream 2 goes online (and had this invasion not happened, it would have), the pipelines in Ukraine become redundant. The gas fields that supply the Ukrainian pipelines are not exactly long for this world either. Russia also controls the Crimea and Ukraine does not have a navy worth speaking of, so I don't think control of the black sea is a significant motivator either. Speaking of that navy.... https://mobile.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1496888520279007239
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Feb 24, 2022 17:59
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Its gonna be really funny when Trump normalizes relations with Russia when hes re elected
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Skyl3lazer posted:MLs are all CIA/FBI at this point lol Where are my paychecks then?
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Feb 24, 2022 18:00
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Frosted Flake posted:What do you think governments are for? it is super easy to do nothing and justify doing nothing when you have thousands of nuclear weapons
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Feb 24, 2022 18:00
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MLSM posted:Hey buddy are you familiar with the last 30 years of nato expansion towards russia that might have something to do with it lol not only is nato expansion (which was one of the things that was promised to russia that would never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen and that nato immediately reneged on) I have not seen anyone in any thread on here ever mention that zelinskyy went on tv just a few months ago to tell everyone about how ukraine is going to "liberate" crimea. between that and nato "training exercises" its a real wonder why russia wanted their troops out there in the first place. even putin himself was born in and came up in a russia that was looted and humiliated by the us/the west and very obviously thought that they could just loot and humiliate a cowed russia forever with absolutely zero pushback, and yeah obviously this bloodshed is a hideous and evil tragedy but this is what you get when you have a state department whose operating methodology over the last few decades has been "nothing we do will ever have any consequences". yeah ofc putin "pulled the trigger" for what its worth but where the gently caress do these people think the conditions that lead us here arose from*? (*they think that putin is an insane demon that rules russia according to his dark desires far distant from any logic, reason, geopolitical history, or material conditions) ne way Terminal autist posted:The other thread is wild just full on bloodlust that makes the coolzone at the peak of the protests look normal. Sicko poo poo and those pussies still wont pull up in the Ukraine to join their nazi ilk.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:00
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Torpor posted:I fully agree that the us would lash out and invade, but knowing something is likely under the circumstances doesn’t justify doing the action. ?? who said it’s justified? it’s just dipshit american leadership not understanding history and acting like a bunch of psychos what else is new
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Feb 24, 2022 18:00
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brugroffil posted:Don't they have a Russia-backed neonazi military contractor group do they? what are you referring to?
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Feb 24, 2022 18:00
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Tbh if this was an alternate universe where Ukraine was putting up a good fight we'd have posters screeching about how it was a NATO plot to turn the region into a bloodbath for $arms sales$ instead of screeching about how NATO provoked the Russians into doing an imperialism.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:00
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Frosted Flake posted:What do you think governments are for? Not use it to invade other countries that are not actually threatening to invade it?
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Feb 24, 2022 18:00
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never go back just post
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Crowsbeak posted:Speaking of that navy.... welp lol also the russians have taken the city of Sumy the same city where the ukranians were saying they Javelined 500 tanks
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Feb 24, 2022 18:01
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Fly Molo posted:yeah I think we’re on the same page. my critique of how the west has handled this (pushing for war, leading ukraine on then loving them over) doesn’t mean russia didn’t gave agency, im more flabbergasted that those stupid fucks didn’t just give the russians their goddamn pipeline or minsk or anything everyone in the west lives in fear of chamberlain and mcgovern and it rules 
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Feb 24, 2022 18:01
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Fly Molo posted:lmao then acting all pikachu shocked when the US goes “gently caress you that’s unacceptable” and invades canada How did you find out about my first Canada game in HoI.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:01
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Atrocious Joe posted:NATO coordinated the assaults on Afghanistan and Libya, it's offensive. It's stated goal is to oppose Russia. It's not surprising that Russian leadership thinks that the offensive alliance with a mission to oppose Russia might be a danger. lol we built this sarcophagus ourselves, brick by brick, from iraq to kosovo, and now we’re acting shocked that we’ve entombed ourselves in it
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Feb 24, 2022 18:01
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MLSM posted:Nobody said russia was leftist you dumbass When did NATO last invade Russian territory? 100% justified in preemptive invasion of another country, lol
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Feb 24, 2022 18:01
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The Real Amethyst posted:Likewise if you're a marxist and you're posting poo poo like "I hope Ukraine gets steamrolled and every nazi is murdered" in he face of footage such as https://mobile.twitter.com/girkingirkin/status/1496854488933715972?s=21 and https://twitter.com/DanielSaldrac/status/1496881080594436098 then maybe it's time for some self-reflection also. remember, the big boys involved in all this goddamn lovely mess will almost certainly never suffer like these people
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Feb 24, 2022 18:02
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Fly Molo posted:lol we built this sarcophagus ourselves, brick by brick, from iraq to kosovo, and now we’re acting shocked that we’ve entombed ourselves in it
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Feb 24, 2022 18:02
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spacemang_spliff posted:do they? what are you referring to? Wagner probably https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1495077549906485253
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Feb 24, 2022 18:02
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MLSM posted:Where are my paychecks then? Same.
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Vernii posted:Tbh if this was an alternate universe where Ukraine was putting up a good fight we'd have posters screeching about how it was a NATO plot to turn the region into a bloodbath for $arms sales$ instead of screeching about how NATO provoked the Russians into doing an imperialism. so we posting our fanfic now or what cuz i got a good one about putin and a very hung azov battalion
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Fly Molo posted:yeah I think we’re on the same page. my critique of how the west has handled this (pushing for war, leading ukraine on then loving them over) doesn’t mean russia didn’t gave agency, im more flabbergasted that those stupid fucks didn’t just give the russians their goddamn pipeline or minsk or anything The pipeline was pretty much on track until Russia started building up military forces though?
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Feb 24, 2022 18:03
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spacemang_spliff posted:do they? what are you referring to? Wagner, which is also the name of Hitler's favorite composer 
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razorscooter posted:everyone in the west lives in fear of chamberlain and mcgovern and it rules yeah it loving owns no appeasement we don’t negotiate with terror 
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Feb 24, 2022 18:03
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That rat is a union buster for Walmart.
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Frosted Flake posted:The military build up was part of trying to reach a diplomatic resolution. Lolling at this sentence. Fantastic content everyone
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brugroffil posted:I don't think "this country will join NATO" justifies Russian invasion and overthrow of their government. Ultimately force rules at the end of the day so it doesn't matter what's "justified" or not, but it was Putin's choice to invade. The Ukrainian government straight up said "DERP MAYBE WE SHOULD JOIN NATO AND PUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS HERE TO DEFEND AGAINST RUSSIA LMAO" And the west has not shown any real hesitation in placing strategic & strike weapons in NATO countries near Russia's border--now or in the past. The continued expansion of NATO (along with the total lack of meaningful mutual disarmament or diplomacy) puts the Russian state in a position where, in a hypothetical near future, the US and it's proxies could hit strategic targets in the Russian core within 5 minutes. This is against a backdrop where the US continues to militarize space, deploy ABMs, and where the drastically diminished Russian nuclear ballistic missile submarine force basically can't go anywhere without non-negligible odds of their position being known. That all sounds very abstract, and it is, but a Russian government that does not respond, in some way, to encirclement by NATO is essentially saying "you know what, I trust that in the next ~30 years, the west is never going to initiate a nuclear war, for any reason, even if they are able to win one. Nope, the American state and global society as a whole are lookin' truly rock solid, and as the Russian population continues to dwindle, the assuredly wise and circumspect future leaders of the US will never be tempted to end the Russian threat once and for all and re-assert their hegemony by force, if given the option".
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spacemang_spliff posted:do they? what are you referring to? Wagner Group Morbus posted:The Ukrainian government straight up said "DERP MAYBE WE SHOULD JOIN NATO AND PUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS HERE TO DEFEND AGAINST RUSSIA LMAO" I guess they should have gotten those nuclear weapons more quickly.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:04
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I fucken hate twitter
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brugroffil posted:The pipeline was pretty much on track until Russia started building up military forces though? no it wasn’t it kept getting delayed
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fits my needs posted:i remember when the last mcdonalds in afghanistan fell Ukraine, when the McDonald's closed.
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