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Raenir Salazar posted:Looking back but it seems like maybe Russia trying to hold onto its sphere of influence in the aftermath of the cold war was a huge mistake. If they hadn't attempted to take Crimea and instead negotiated with the more liberal government in good faith (afterall the Sevastopol naval base wasn't under any kind of immediate threat of being repatriated back to Ukraine); they could've made partnerships with Ukraine to improve their military modernization with access to skilled Ukrainian firms. I mean, if Russia wasn't anti democratic/pro corruption, things would be completely different and there's no chance Putin would even be in power given the constitutional term limits. But they can't reduce corruption for their neighbors while keeping their own oligopoly happy.
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1498028744807694338?t=XfZWH4jbm0zZh9AXfQS0bg&s=19 In the age of drone warfare this seems an incredibly stupid idea. Has NATO supplied any?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:No, they think in RTS terms. If they can get one tank to Kiev city hall and hold for a 3 min. Then they win. They are gonna get droned and ambushed and then get hosed up in In the cities. Jesus this indeed seems to be the philosophy here.
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KitConstantine posted:Dancing in those shoes prepared Zelensky for the trials of war This is amazing
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1498028744807694338?t=XfZWH4jbm0zZh9AXfQS0bg&s=19 russians exporting moscow traffic to kiev countryside
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Timeless Appeal posted:If we're being honest, it's also kinda of a gross mockery of sex workers and people who are at times legitimately artists even if they're art is raunchy. Yeah. I just feel bad for Russians right now outside the putinists and their foreign and domestic lickspittles. These people got hosed because their leader said “gently caress it, it’s a time for imperialism”. It’s genuinely sad.
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Concerned Citizen posted:https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1498054577765163010 Don’t know poo poo about stonks. Can they do that? What’s a possible outcome here?
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Herstory Begins Now posted:the extra dumb thing about this is that zelensky has been impressively navigating an absolute nightmare of a political situation for a long time now, certainly far before this all popped off. Even if you didn't think he was great, he was doing solidly well with a totally hosed up situation. It seems like forever ago that this was the same guy that Trump was trying to get to dig up information on Joe and Hunter Biden, leading to Trump's first impeachment.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:
I don't get why people hyperventilate reading this. This is not chilling, nor is it new. Nor is it proof that Putin lost his mind. This is exactly what Putin and the Russians have been saying since the Bucharest declaration of 2008. That it will go to any lengths, pay any price, to ensure that Ukraine remains outside the Western orbit. The messaging has been consistent ever since the mid-2000s. A crazy person doesn't repeatedly broadcast the same position on how he views Ukraine to anyone that will listen for 15 years and then finally acts on it. If you think this is new, or chilling, or somehow a sign that Putin has lost his marbles, you simply haven't been paying attention to international politics. Read some articles on these issues and what Putin's responses have been......before this current mess. Actually well before this current mess. https://www.dw.com/en/russia-talks-tough-in-response-to-natos-eastward-expansion/a-3261078 ""We will do all we can to prevent Ukraine's and Georgia's accession into NATO and to avoid an inevitable serious exacerbation of our relations with both the alliance and our neighbors," Lavrov told reporters." 2008 https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/03/opinion/stent-putin-ukraine-russia-endgame/index.html At the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, Vladimir Putin told a surprised George W. Bush, “You have to understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a country. Part of its territory is in Eastern Europe and the greater part was given to us.” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-putin-biden.html http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hMXcqAi3oH4J:en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/24903+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca "We view the appearance of a powerful military bloc on our borders, a bloc whose members are subject in part to Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, as a direct threat to the security of our country. The claim that this process is not directed against Russia will not suffice. National security is not based on promises. And the statements made prior to the bloc's previous waves of expansion simply confirm this" The man has been consistent since 2008 and beyond. Here is a really good article from the Canadian Forces Journal on the history leading up to this war written in 2nd half 2021. This should dispel any notion of Putin being insane or some deranged megalomanic. He fundamentally views the world and the events of the past 20 years in a different manner than you. http://www.journal.forces.gc.ca/cmj-article-en-page35.html "At the end of the day, whether to compromise with Moscow and let Russia have her own small sphere of influence in parts of Europe where there are already Russian established bases and interests, or to push Moscow out and risk a localized proxy war of attrition, is a policy question beyond the scope of this article."
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Dante posted:Well this is the least coherent take in this thread, and that's quite impressive! I try, but the last 4-5 days have been completely baffling to me to the point I believe logic has well and truly been thrown out the window so I'm completely brain-fried and incoherence is all I have left.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:No, they think in RTS terms. If they can get one tank to Kiev city hall and hold for a 3 min. Then they win. They are gonna get droned and ambushed and then get hosed up in In the cities. They've basically tried doing this like they imagine "CIA" does colour revolutions: 1. Build a pretext (Zelenskyi is a Nazi hunting Russians) 2. Get people to rise up (people protest and yearn for liberation) 3. Use force to lock down hardline backers (police, etcetera) 4. Install friendly government If you think about all the moronic VDV drops or a 15 car Spetsnaz incursions into a city of 1.5 million in these categories, they're simply trying to do (3) - find some baddies, raise the flag. I wonder if it's possible to analyse where would flaws of such an approach lie? 
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Concerned Citizen posted:https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1498054577765163010 I don't think Russian Central Bank will be able to "well actually" American investors about their money.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Going by the sparks shooting up in the duma it’s telling that some politicians are now more scared of being seen as pro war then balconies I think I asked this before, but how much power does the Duma actually have?
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KitConstantine posted:Dancing in those shoes prepared Zelensky for the trials of war Also, I just found there is new a smilie and I want to use it, because it is lovely 
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Ashmole posted:
Probably worth pointing out that this sort of language is hardly new for them.
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MrMojok posted:Wow. You should that because there are charred bodies at the end there.
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Small White Dragon posted:I think I asked this before, but how much power does the Duma actually have? Nothing, if you're wondering if they can take Putin on as legislators.
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"There is no english tea" lmao. Yorkshire is mobilising as we speak.
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MrMojok posted:Wow. loving hell, this guy has such an amazing delivery. If someone would ever tell me the way he has, calm and smiling, how I will be murdered in Ukraine, I would poo poo iron and run.
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KillHour posted:You should Ah, yes. Sorry about that.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I don't think Russian Central Bank will be able to "well actually" American investors about their money. they can, since someone has to actually buy those securities. it will just make it much harder for foreign firms to unwind their russian investments.
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Concerned Citizen posted:they can, since someone has to actually buy those securities. it will just make it much harder for foreign firms to unwind their russian investments. They can stop them from manipulating stuff, not from treating it like worthless.
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Concerned Citizen posted:they can, since someone has to actually buy those securities. it will just make it much harder for foreign firms to unwind their russian investments. Yep the markets are betting on the various central banks to step in and start printing to fill in the gaps and make up the losses.
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tazjin posted:This is fake news. That kind of makes sense, in so far as russia can just print as much rubles as needed/wanted. I'd think a run would be more on trying to acquire currencies other than rubles to avoid loss of value.
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Mokotow posted:Don’t know poo poo about stonks. Can they do that? What’s a possible outcome here? Stocks that cant be sold are technically worthless, so not sure how this really helps the market confidence tomorrow morning.
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Mokotow posted:loving hell, this guy has such an amazing delivery. If someone would ever tell me the way he has, calm and smiling, how I will be murdered in Ukraine, I would poo poo iron and run. There was another one like this a day or two ago featuring what looked like a Spetsnaz (at least judging from the fact he was carrying a suppressed AK) that was even more terrifying, don't have it on hand though.
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This video does a good job explaining why Russia wants to invade Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE In Putin's mind the purpose of the invasions are to: - Keep a series of buffer states to make it more difficult to NATO to invade due to Ukraine and further East essentially being a giant plane - Ukraine has a bunch of natural gas and some oil that Russia wants and does not want to get in the hands of EU multi-nationals - Since invading Crimea, Ukraine has cut off fresh water there making the island become much less habitable. Russia will probably invade the territory north of Crimea if this invasion is a success - Time is ticking. Russia's population keeps declining and thus so does their relative military might. It's "now or never". It makes sense if you want to keep hold on being a great power, but even then in the long run it's pointless. This is because adding to the fact that Russia's population is declining and it's economy isn't much to strive for, the EU is gradually transferring to clean energy. That oil and natural gas aren't going to be the kingmaker resources as they are today.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Russia is going to sanction the US by freezing steven Segal's bank accounts Oh no. Our geezer teasers, blockaded.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Russia is going to sanction the US by freezing steven Segal's bank accounts One of the downed IL-76 got dragged down trying to airlift Steven Seagal's fat rear end over Kyiv for a black ops drop to subdue Zelensky with jiu jitsu.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Russia is going to sanction the US by freezing steven Segal's bank accounts Speaking of which, isn't he living in Russia? As well as Edward Snowden? steinrokkan posted:One of the downed IL-76 got dragged down trying to airlift Steven Seagal's fat rear end over Kyiv for a black ops drop to subdue Zelensky with jiu jitsu. Sorry, looks like they'll need something heavier than that but they just blew up the only AN-225 today.
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Young Freud posted:Speaking of which, isn't he living in Russia? As well as Edward Snowden? Gérard Depardieu too. 
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/liz_cookman/status/1498005055613685762?s=20&t=0oH4Ws0TjKye0Qe5PytVow Mariupol was always pretty much doomed - back when I was hoping for a limited conquest it was the one urban area I was basically certain Putin wanted, wot with being smack dab on the route between Donetsk et al and Crimea - and I'm feeling some tension between "I hope they hold out as long as possible" and "I would like the city to not be leveled"
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OgNar posted:Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel). lol 
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