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Rectal Death Adept posted:What about police battalions to secure active warzones getting wiped out behind enemy lines? I genuinely think they're all moving on a preset timetable and nobody is cancelling them because communications are non-existent and command and control is dogshit
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BigglesSWE posted:Boris is consistently awful so this is not surprising to me. Priti Patel is worse
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TheRat posted:Priti Patel is worse Isn't she like Nigel Farage level of worse for the immigration itself?
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Cimber posted:5) Even if Putin is killed off, he's going to be replaced by someone from his inner circle who will just be like him. Russia is hosed for the next 50+ years with terrible leaders. I agree, but at least that someone can use the coup as an opportunity to withdraw and blame the failure and war crimes both on Putin and a secret nazi conspiracy which had infiltrated the military and Kreml. That's off-ramp for Russia as I see it - find scapegoats (and execute them asap) and claim they are 1) responsible for bungling the invasion, 2) responsible for any war crimes, 3) controlled by the tolerant liberal-fascist elites. This would be an absurd claim, but be a direct continuation of current propaganda. It gives the regime an excuse for all military failures (the invasion was sabotaged from the onset) to save face. They will then likely transition away from a kleptocratic free market economy towards a kleptocratic state capitalist economy, and perhaps even some kind of sham-socialism will be introduced. Best case, the new leader actually wants Russia to prosper and focuses on internal stability and rebuilding the economy. Worse case, a revanchist nutjob takes over, who in addition to rearming and militarizing in anticipation of round 2 vs Ukraine, introduces state-sponsored terrorism to replace or supplement the quite successful, but expensive and now rather exposed, destabilization efforts used by Putin. I really hope a softie takes over after Putin. Someone who is happy to live a life of luxury and would rather rebuild economic ties with the west than prepare for the second great patriotic war and revenge against Ukraine and friends. Shoigu's wikipedia page make him sound like a mellow guy: quote:Shoigu collects Indian, Chinese, and Japanese swords and daggers. He also enjoys bard songs and plays the guitar. He does water color paintings and graphics. He also enjoys collecting old pieces of wood, some of which he has shown to Putin. A weaboo bard/shaman who managed to show Putin some old wood? That's sounds like a much cooler Tzar.
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PerilPastry posted:If NATO issued a guarantee against ever extending membership to Ukraine would that be enough of a fig leaf for him to spin his "special operation" as a victory domestically? To put it differently, is the west in any position to give him a viable off-ramp? Or is anything short of installing a new friendly government recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk and the annexation of the Crimea a complete non-starter? Putin fundamentally doesn't believe NATO would honor such a guarantee, partly because he's got brainworms and partly because NATO wants to expand democracy and democracy is inherently counter to Putin's whole mode of government. Conversely, democratic nations are never going to trust Putin again if he says the sky is blue, for obvious reasons. One thing I do find interesting is the way that Putin keeps repeating the same obvious lies as if he expects the West to believe him; the other side of course is that we did keep "believing" -- in the sense of acting as if they were statements he intended for us to believe -- for, well, decades prior to now. That whole dynamic is weird and interesting.
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TearsOfPirates posted:Isn't she like Nigel Farage level of worse for the immigration itself? Yeah, pretty much. She's as close you're gonna get to defining a western leader as evil.
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PerilPastry posted:If NATO issued a guarantee against ever extending membership to Ukraine would that be enough of a fig leaf for him to spin his "special operation" as a victory domestically? To put it differently, is the west in any position to give him a viable off-ramp? Or is anything short of installing a new friendly government recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk and the annexation of the Crimea a complete non-starter? That would be the bare minimum that Putin needs to save face. But that isn't for NATO to guarantee. Putin outright doesn't believe NATO and his logic is that guarantees from the west are useless as they are made only when politically convenient and broken the moment they no longer serve a purpose. And he is right, Russia isn't the only country doing Realpolitik. As I have said even before the invasion, it is the Ukrainians that must come up with a means of living with Putin's Russia for now or risk the destruction of their country which is currently in progress. The cavalry isn't coming. The invasion has occurred and Russia will break at some point in time due to the sanctions. But there is also no guarantee the West will sacrifice itself in the long term to maintain sanctions either. Despite all of this Russian oil and gas are still flowing into the EU. Their cheap crude is still being shipped to the US refineries. NATO/EU has proven time and time again that talk is cheap and when push comes to shove, they are unwilling to cross Putin. The fighter jet holdup is just the latest example. We are just over a week in and indignations, as well as emotions, are sky-high. I am not so certain how strong a united western resolve is when we are rolling into high summer and bread prices have doubled and energy prices have tripled and it is NATO/EU looking for an off-ramp and is actively pushing Zelensky for some sort of negotiated settlement themselves.
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TearsOfPirates posted:Isn't she like Nigel Farage level of worse for the immigration itself? She said under her supervision her parents would not been allowed into the country. Rincewinds fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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NTRabbit posted:I genuinely think they're all moving on a preset timetable and nobody is cancelling them because communications are non-existent and command and control is dogshit Dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding I do wonder if the isolation of Russia and withdrawing from the west and globalism isn’t Putin’s entire goal. Absolute ruler of a terrible charred husk of a nation is still absolute ruler.
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PederP posted:I really hope a softie takes over after Putin. Someone who is happy to live a life of luxury and would rather rebuild economic ties with the west than prepare for the second great patriotic war and revenge against Ukraine and friends. Shoigu's wikipedia page make him sound like a mellow guy: The guy could be a true cool dude, but if he's close to the top that means he is fine with the business corruption/oligarchs, electoral corruption, state control of media, assassination, and invasions. Knocking down the important ones there will be a chaotic process. Question: A lot of folks were talking about an emergency Duma session Friday to declare martial law. Did that actually happen?
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MrYenko posted:Dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding It's absolutely not. Even the comparatively minor 2014 sanctions crippled Russia's military modernization, while China is far worse of a commercial partner than Europe is.
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Private Speech posted:Also Zara. I had a promo shirt similar to this from a prize pack years ago/long since donated. Whoever has it now probably won't for long. 
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StumblyWumbly posted:Question: A lot of folks were talking about an emergency Duma session Friday to declare martial law. Did that actually happen? Martial law has not been enacted.
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NTRabbit posted:I genuinely think they're all moving on a preset timetable and nobody is cancelling them because communications are non-existent and command and control is dogshit Was thinking earlier it's like if you forgot to press shift to get a coordinated attack in HoI/EU and the troops just provide there at their own pace.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Z is just one of the letters they have painted, it's the one that is in the most heavy fighting right now so we are seeing it the most but if this is a longer more protracted war it'll probably be tanks with various letters that are parts of the various horrors. Yes that’s how Z started off as but now it’s a pro-Putin symbolism: a podcast for cats posted:Nah, Z is catching on as a symbol for the venture inside Russia itself. Starting from taped Zs on random cars and going up to unhinged stuff like this: 
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TearsOfPirates posted:Isn't she like Nigel Farage level of worse for the immigration itself? priti patel is a psychopath
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KitConstantine posted:Holy poo poo - evidence that it's now Russian army policy to try to obscure the amount of dead soldiers including by putting the bodies in mass graves rather than sending them home This sickens me because - remember, bunch of parents in Russia didn't believe their children living in Ukraine that they were, at the moment of a phone call, being shelled by Russians - this will probably mean there will be more parents/relatives who will never find out/believe their son is dead due to a war in Ukraine, and this is one act in obscuring the casualty count and making relatives unaware of the fate of their kin in this war.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Yes that’s how Z started off as but now it’s a pro-Putin symbolism: That's Butina of NRA-fame, iinm
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Boris Galerkin posted:Also “meteorites?” Are Russian missiles/artillery/shells called meteorites and the translation just translated it literally? I took it as an analogy for a far-fetched scenario. e: beaten, encircled and flanked DeeplyConcerned fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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Pyromancer posted:So with all this talk of Z, where are the robot soldiers?  Guess the same place as Armata?
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Rinkles posted:That's Butina of NRA-fame, iinm It sure is
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MasterSitsu posted:I had a promo shirt similar to this from a prize pack years ago/long since donated. Whoever has it now probably won't for long. I'm surprised anyone still has it. God that movie was terrible. EDIT: I hope all this Z bullshit doesn't taint the wonderful Costa-Gavras film from 1969 about the Greek military coup d'etat. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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Very good article by a Russian journalist about how Russian government officials and oligarchs feel about Putin's war https://twitter.com/faridaily_/status/1500426920558829571?t=niX-XX9n9xBSbwM8MoOo3g&s=19 This was originally released March 1st, today's release is the same article only translated into english. So prior to the letter yesterday. A lot of the politicians seem very intent on disclaiming responsibility, but it really seems like Putin didn't consult any of the usual power structure he generally at least pretends to consult. Article link:https://faridaily.substack.com/p/theyre-carefully-enunciating-the?s=w
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KitConstantine posted:Very good article by a Russian journalist about how Russian government officials and oligarchs feel about Putin's war They were happy enough when he was looting their own country for their benefit, they don't get to completely wash their hands of him when he takes a step beyond their liking. Interesting that so many elites were willing to put their names behind their sentiments though - I suppose they (accurately?) think that the oppression of anti war sentiment won't apply to them for the moment
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Eloquent POW account here, well worth watching. He's not made into a "public curiousity" nor seems forced. But it's pretty powerful. https://twitter.com/hackingbutlegal/status/1500465032966062082?cxt=HHwWhICy_ey_3NIpAAAA
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You heard of painting over rust now prepare for painting over ice Obviously says "No war"   Song for the moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7FylXMibw "We are the ice under major's feet"
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fatherboxx posted:You heard of painting over rust now prepare for painting over ice This would’ve been MustangWanted’s hour to shine.
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fatherboxx posted:You heard of painting over rust now prepare for painting over ice Haha nice, afaik that's right in the centre of St. Petersburg.
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NTRabbit posted:I genuinely think they're all moving on a preset timetable and nobody is cancelling them because communications are non-existent and command and control is dogshit According to that interview I linked with three captured Russian police officers you're sort of right. According to them, they were given the order "go to Kiev and support Russian Army forces..." Then received zero orders or communications afterwards, so they ended up driving right into central Kiev and got blapped hard and the survivors surrendered. This one that I linked earlier this morning: the popes toes posted:Eloquent POW account here, well worth watching. He's not made into a "public curiousity" nor seems forced. But it's pretty powerful.
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fatherboxx posted:You heard of painting over rust now prepare for painting over ice That little hovercraft is awesome.
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PerilPastry posted:Speaking if which, Ukraine will apparently be getting quite a few days of seriously hard frost now. Wonder if it matters in terms of opening up new avenues of advance for the Russians or if they're increasingly stuck due to supply issues no matter the weather Unlikely. You would need weeks of sub freezing weather, preferably sub zero, to harden the ground enough to support military equipment. You need more than a couple of inches of frozen ground to support 40+ tons.
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PerilPastry posted:Speaking if which, Ukraine will apparently be getting quite a few days of seriously hard frost now. Wonder if it matters in terms of opening up new avenues of advance for the Russians or if they're increasingly stuck due to supply issues no matter the weather No Seems the regular couple degrees above 0 during the day and couple degrees below 0 during night.
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PerilPastry posted:Speaking if which, Ukraine will apparently be getting quite a few days of seriously hard frost now. Wonder if it matters in terms of opening up new avenues of advance for the Russians or if they're increasingly stuck due to supply issues no matter the weather Im guessing if the Ukrainians have planned and are still capable of any kind of large scale counter-attack, that would be the time.
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