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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Shibawanko posted:

oh apparently the IAE already told people to lower their thermostats by 1 degree to be less dependent on russian gas but it seems to me that it could be a lot more drastic than that. most people seem to have theirs set to like 22 which is like warming putins asscheeks, just tell people to at least drop below 20

Heating is just off in my building, because the temperature is above 0 outside.

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Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Looks like Russia has come up with a solution to its rear security area issue it's genocide

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1501107562061733888

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Alchenar posted:

Looks like Russia has come up with a solution to its rear security area issue it's genocide

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1501107562061733888
I believe this is from very early on but yeah it’s happening now.
https://mobile.twitter.com/biannago...%5Es1_&ref_url= More war crimes.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Xerxes17 posted:

Anyone repeating the "intentionally designed to be poo poo" ideas needs to think about what kind of biases they carry if they weren't sceptical of such claims upon hearing them.

That, and take a careful look at the technical marvel that is Bradley.

Dante
Feb 8, 2003

Qtamo posted:

I'm sorry for derailing the thread a bit, but do you have a source for the bolded part? The reason I'm asking is that the Finnish food safety authorities haven't advised for any restrictions on mushrooms for years now. According to their studies, a Finn eating 6 kg of mushrooms per year, with most of them being species that have the highest cesium concentrations, will gain an extra 40 mSv μSv of radiation per year. Which in turn is about 1 % of the average radiation dose a Finnish person gets from other sources, mostly background radiation. I'm just wondering if Norway is stricter in their guidelines, has less background radiation or if they had more of the fallout.

Afaik in Finland the only place you can find cesium concentrations over the EU limit for natural products (600 Bq/kg) is predatory fish in certain areas thanks to accumulation via the food chain. Reindeer meat can also have high concentrations, but as a "fun" fact most of that is from nuclear weapons tests in the atmosphere in Russia in the 50s and 60s :science:

Saladman posted:

This is the mushroom info thread, right? Anyway I was curious because I've heard of this before, but despite living with a mushroom woman for a couple years and having a good friend who is a mushroom man and mushrooming with both, this never came up and even taking mushrooms to be checked at the mushroom centers in Switzerland, they never like... waved a geiger counter in front of them or whatever one would do. I was able to find a pretty decent breakdown for Switzerland https://books.google.ch/books/?id=Y...shrooms&f=false

"In 2002, bay boletes showed radiocaesium levels of 33 to 23,200 Bq/kg and porcini from 6 to 10,000 Bq/kg. In 2015, activities were reduced remarkably in boletes to 13 to 900...and porcini 4 to 108."

23,200 Bq/kg sounds pretty high but... let's calculate. The maximum "safe" radiation exposure for nuclear workers is apparently about 50 mSv/year and apparently 3 mSv/yr for general public? Consumption of 80,000 bq is about 1 mSv ( https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/environment/foodstuffs/mushrooms-game/mushrooms-game_node.html ), so...if you ate 175 kg of fresh mushrooms picked in the worst spot in Switzerland per year, that would equal the maximum "safe" exposure. And...10 kg to get the maximum safe "normal person" exposure limit.

So it seems like mushroom radiation is... "not great, not terrible." Although maybe it's two orders of magnitude higher in some places in Scandinavia than in Switzerland.

Haha, looks like you and I were on the same topic here at the same time. E: I think you're quite off on the 40 mSv/yr radiation only being 1% of normal exposure. I think 40 mSv is like 1% of a *lifetime* dose. (E2: Actually more like 8%? Seems like "normal person" lifetime exposure is around 500 mSv; https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2016/09/f33/Radiation_in_Perspective.pdf and maybe 1500 mSv for a lifetime for nuclear workers, e.g. https://www.rosenergoatom.ru/en/safety-&-ecology/nuclear-and-radiation-safety/radiation-exposure-of-npp-personnel-and-visiting-specialists/). That said I see quite variable numbers for average annual exposure. The US source is saying ~6-7 mSv/yr, or ~500 mSv for 70 years, whereas the Russian site says 70 mSv/70 year lifetime.

Maybe someone more knowledgable can pitch in, beyond my 30 min of Google and vague memory of college physics.

Since this is specific to Norway all sources will pretty much be in norwegian, but google translate should work. The Norwegian Environment Agency is responsible for measuring the shrooms. The legal limit when you're selling mushrooms is 600 Bq/kg, the highest measured in 2020 was 7100 Bq/kg and the record was 33.700 Bq/kg in 1992: https://miljostatus.miljodirektoratet.no/tema/straling/radioaktiv-forurensning/radioaktivitet-pa-land-og-i-ferskvann/radioaktivitet-i-sopp/. This is all probably fine to eat in practice, but in terms of the impression of nuclear energy for the past decades it wasn't great when you were reminded on TV that shrooms in your backyard might irradiate your children due to Chernobyl.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Nenonen posted:

That, and take a careful look at the technical marvel that is Bradley.

Turns out it’s hard to design a perfect battle taxi

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Nenonen posted:

That, and take a careful look at the technical marvel that is Bradley.

The Bradley's supposed awfulness is largely mythical fyi

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Xerxes17 posted:

Okay, about the BMP doors:

Anyone repeating the "intentionally designed to be poo poo" ideas needs to think about what kind of biases they carry if they weren't sceptical of such claims upon hearing them.

How are they supposed to be used anyway? I keep seeing videos showing the door is about 2 feet high and you'd have to crawl in and there isn't room to sit on the other side anyway.

Nosre
Apr 16, 2002


Alchenar posted:

Looks like Russia has come up with a solution to its rear security area issue it's genocide

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1501107562061733888

Do we have satellite evidence of this sort of thing? I'm not doubting the report, just seems like a high priority to get images of this with the crazy commercial (MAXAR) imagery that we now know is possible

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

Nuclear chat: I remember watching a long lecture about reactors, Chernobyl, Fukushima, etc. And in a part about various units and different safe levels I've heard something along the line "Thankfully we're not sure what's the safe levels. We've been lucky enough that there's not enough definitive data".
Hopefully it will still be the case for many years..

SirTagz
Feb 25, 2014

sean10mm posted:

The Bradley's supposed awfulness is largely mythical fyi

Yeah, you can check out the excellent documentary The Pentagon Wars to see how it was created

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

SirTagz posted:

Yeah, you can check out the excellent documentary The Pentagon Wars to see how it was created

It’s basically the precursor to the F35 on land. Horrible procurement process, but turns out if you just throw enough money at the problem you can end up with something decent.

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Comstar posted:

How are they supposed to be used anyway? I keep seeing videos showing the door is about 2 feet high and you'd have to crawl in and there isn't room to sit on the other side anyway.

When you're in a BMP you're sitting on a bench that faces outward. When it's time to get out you butt-scoot your way along the bench until you swing your legs out and then off you go. I think there are hand holds on the ceiling inside to help with this too.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

MikeC posted:

Is there a reason why the Europeans are so averse to nuclear power? In Ontario Canada, nuclear makes up well over half our energy with Hydro making up another quarter.

In addition to chernobyl, fukushima and other good points itt, the sad fact is not one reactor in the eu, which construction started after 1987, has produced a single kilowatt of energy. Making reliable cost assessments is pretty much impossible - which, rather ironically, means any new proposed projects have to be optimist calculations to the point of being cynical in order to be taken seriously.

in retrospectr, "don't abandon your technical know-how and industrial capacity to replace your energy infrastructure because of chernobyl" sounds like the lesson to be learned, but really, "don't chernobyl" would have been much less work really

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:

Ah, regrouping attempt #23947, and reported by the ever-reliable NEXTA. This time for sure!
That's been the consensus of most observers of the status of the war in the north? That they're regrouping to attack Kyiv en mass. I'm sure some of the stalling has been because of supply difficulties and Ukrainian resistance, but everyone expects a full assault on the capital in the coming hours or days.

It would be a miracle if the Ukrainian forces are able to hold off Russian forces from sieging Kyiv and other major cities, no matter how much damage Ukrainian forces are able to do.

Often Abbreviated
Dec 19, 2017

1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"
There's been an awful lot of "regrouping" so far, they've been primed to attack Kyiv in the next 24 hours for about five days now, and two Major-Generals have died at the front. Of course this could all be a legitimate slow, inexorable advance, but part of me suspects the Russian soldiers know they're being ordered into a bloodbath and are slow-walking this as much as they can, leading to division level officers marching themselves up to the front (and dying) to try to force them on.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

CSM posted:

That's been the consensus of most observers of the status of the war in the north? That they're regrouping to attack Kyiv en mass. I'm sure some of the stalling has been because of supply difficulties and Ukrainian resistance, but everyone expects a full assault on the capital in the coming hours or days.

It would be a miracle if the Ukrainian forces are able to hold off Russian forces from sieging Kyiv and other major cities, no matter how much damage Ukrainian forces are able to do.
Yeah an attack is probably coming, although the fact that Skeletor and Lex Luthor and the rest of the Axis of Evil are also there is an embellishment from Nexta.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
We have our answer to "is it just some civilian contractors carrying gravel or is RUA really that desperate":

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1501169703431163910

Previously (27 Feb):

steinrokkan posted:

These can be just some ad hoc guys with a truckload of gravel coming to fix a damaged road... Doesn't mean anything.

(this is not a gotcha; I would've guessed gravel too)

ronya fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 8, 2022

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Often Abbreviated posted:

There's been an awful lot of "regrouping" so far, they've been primed to attack Kyiv in the next 24 hours for about five days now, and two Major-Generals have died at the front. Of course this could all be a legitimate slow, inexorable advance, but part of me suspects the Russian soldiers know they're being ordered into a bloodbath and are slow-walking this as much as they can, leading to division level officers marching themselves up to the front (and dying) to try to force them on.

The odd general getting killed is a great headline, and Ukrainian publication of ambushes, Russian supply issues etc are uplifting news for everyone. But they're definitely painting a misleading picture for a lot of casual observers. The Russians are still making steady forward progress along multiple attack fronts every day. This is just yesterday's movements:



The Russians for all their issues have still occupied almost half of Ukraine east of the Dnepr, and have expanding bridgeheads to the west of it.

PederP
Nov 20, 2009

Another aspect of the whole sieging and demolishing Ukraine, is that Belarus already has an army refusing to move against Ukraine. Assuming that the Belarus public has somewhat better access to information on what is going on inside Ukraine, I would think that there is a limit to how brutally Russia can conduct this war before the army of Belarus become too outraged and turn against Lukashenko and possibly even Russia. Especially if the Russians are suddenly not looking quite so fearsome after sending everything combat-viable and much that isn't into Ukraine - and failing to achieve objectives. Russia is de facto occupying Belarus and propping up the Lukashenko regime.

That's another reason the Putin regime shouldn't walk away with a compromise or a victory - it will mean Belarus has a much harder time freeing itself from the Russian grasp. A Russian 'defeat' (ie being unable to force any kind of concessions from Ukraine and possibly suffering a coup/putsch) would increase the likelihood that Belarus can get back on track to a better future - it wasn't that long ago that Lukashenko lost the election and then just grabbed power anyway. There's still hope for Belarus too. And I hope they end up helping Ukraine either directly or by making the entire venture untenable for Russia due to being forced out of Belarus.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Xerxes17 posted:

When you're in a BMP you're sitting on a bench that faces outward. When it's time to get out you butt-scoot your way along the bench until you swing your legs out and then off you go. I think there are hand holds on the ceiling inside to help with this too.

This being the same as in Bradley:

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.
Is there a danger that Russia may strike Poland to stop the supply of aircraft should Poland decide to send some to Ukraine?

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!

Alchenar posted:

Looks like Russia has come up with a solution to its rear security area issue it's genocide

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1501107562061733888

I don't doubt the Russian army is willing to do this, but does this really make sense from a practical standpoint? How would they do this? Waste a ton of ammo levelling everything? Or do they have a tank run everything over? Neither makes much sense.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
Inevitable:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




ronya posted:

We have our answer to "is it just some civilian contractors carrying gravel or is RUA really that desperate":

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1501169703431163910

Previously (27 Feb):

(this is not a gotcha; I would've guessed gravel too)

It’s even worse if you know what those trucks are. The blue one is like 60 years old, and the red one is ferrying a standard construction waste container.

This is like the third double bottom of the barrel.

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!

Willo567 posted:

Is there a danger that Russia may strike Poland to stop the supply of aircraft should Poland decide to send some to Ukraine?

Oh yes please do, I would love nothing more for NATO to be obligated to directly attack the Russian army.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Willo567 posted:

Is there a danger that Russia may strike Poland to stop the supply of aircraft should Poland decide to send some to Ukraine?

No, not unless he wants to lose his air force in a couple of days as that would be an Article 5 attack on NATO.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Willo567 posted:

Is there a danger that Russia may strike Poland to stop the supply of aircraft should Poland decide to send some to Ukraine?

No, there isn’t.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Willo567 posted:

Is there a danger that Russia may strike Poland to stop the supply of aircraft should Poland decide to send some to Ukraine?

No.

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007

Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.


College Slice

uXs posted:

I don't doubt the Russian army is willing to do this, but does this really make sense from a practical standpoint? How would they do this? Waste a ton of ammo levelling everything?

It's a question of incentives. Officers on the field need to report back victories, and it's easier to be a hard man making the real decision to crush the rebellious Uranians in order to protect military secrets than it is to win battles against soldiers.

PederP
Nov 20, 2009

Blut posted:

The Russians for all their issues have still occupied almost half of Ukraine east of the Dnepr, and have expanding bridgeheads to the west of it.

Russia is absolutely not occupying all that territory. There is a difference between their lines of advance and what they control/occupy. Lines like that look good on media presentations but it's a poor representation of the actual conditions. Look at the urban centers and how few have been taken. That Kharkiv hasn't fallen is highly indicative of what the state of the offensive is. UAR is wisely not engaging Russian units in pitched battles outside of Urban centers, but that does not mean the Russians have occupied vast swathes of the country.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




uXs posted:

I don't doubt the Russian army is willing to do this, but does this really make sense from a practical standpoint? How would they do this? Waste a ton of ammo levelling everything? Or do they have a tank run everything over? Neither makes much sense.

Yeah, last tank better have couple hundred shells in it.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Blut posted:

The odd general getting killed is a great headline, and Ukrainian publication of ambushes, Russian supply issues etc are uplifting news for everyone. But they're definitely painting a misleading picture for a lot of casual observers. The Russians are still making steady forward progress along multiple attack fronts every day. This is just yesterday's movements:



The Russians for all their issues have still occupied almost half of Ukraine east of the Dnepr, and have expanding bridgeheads to the west of it.

Vastly overstating how much of that territory is controled by the Russians.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


We’re on day 12 of the invasion I think. This fees wrong. It fees like a month at least

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Charlz Guybon posted:

Vastly overstating how much of that territory is controled by the Russians.

It does note the lines show the furthest forward spots Russian units have been seen. Like those riot police who Leroy Jenkins'd into Kiev

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

Willo567 posted:

Is there a danger that Russia may strike Poland to stop the supply of aircraft should Poland decide to send some to Ukraine?
Poland has made clear it has no interest in supplying aircraft for now.

As far as I can tell Russia has not threatened NATO countries over arming Ukraine. Probably to avoid further conflict and inevitable nuclear conflagration.

It has been more belligerent with regards to economic sanctions.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

We’re on day 12 of the invasion I think. This fees wrong. It fees like a month at least

To be honest, quite the opposite for me. Feels like the attack began just a few days ago.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

The O, V and X guys must be feeling pretty down at this point.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1501173649591701507

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

EU is working on an even more extended list of sanctions. The article makes Germany sound like the main country slowing things down, but hard to say
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1501150484840824834?t=QO4WJFv2AKHiJX1d0reR4w&s=19

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Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

I didn't get a chance to ask when it was first posted, but what was that bald guy with the "Z" t-shirt yelling about in that tweet?

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