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hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Electric Phantasm posted:

Conspiracy theories would be way cooler as wrestling storylines.

JFK Junior VS. Second Shooter in a Grassy Knoll match, this weekend at SUMMERSLAM.

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wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!
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Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

Srice posted:

I looked around to try to find it and this was his take on that local election. Might not be the exact one you're thinking of but it surely has the same sentiment.

I think the one Zulily was talking about was this one:



And here's the opinion piece that went along with it:

quote:

Before he got banned from Twitter, Donald Trump was the prolific prima donna of caustic, inflammatory, unhinged tweets. Now, Seattle has its own aspirant to Trump-style messaging: Nicole Thomas-Kennedy, the leftist candidate for city attorney.

In answer to a benign holiday message from acting Police Chief Adrian Diaz last year, Thomas-Kennedy sent the following: “Eat some covid laced poo poo & quit ur (sic) jobs.” On another occasion, responding to a report that protesters had set fire to an incarceration facility construction site, she tweeted, “YAY! Thank you to the heroes that set the Children’s Jail on fire.”

Apparently, there were many more of these online outbursts to be found before the candidate finally got around to deleting them. Deleted or not, Thomas-Kennedy is unrepentant. She is pro-property destruction, pro-riot, anti-cop and not at all inclined to prosecute misdemeanors which, oddly enough, happens to be one of the jobs of the city attorney.

Just as Trump did all he could to enervate and deconstruct the federal government over which he presided, Thomas-Kennedy appears anxious to transform the city attorney into a public defender. Perhaps that is not a surprise, since she has had a career in that field. The question is whether Seattle voters want their municipal lawyer to be perpetually siding with the perpetrators of crime rather than the victims of their illegal actions.

Horsey doesn't explicitly say he would prefer a Republican to her, but it's pretty strongly implied by how he talks about her. There is, however, this "classic" Horsey where he laments that there aren't any Republicans running for Seattle's city council:



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In this year’s upcoming municipal elections, one of the key races is for Seattle City Council Position 9. The three leading contenders for that at-large council seat are Nikkita Oliver, a community organizer and political activist, Brianna Thomas, chief of staff to the current council president, and Sara Nelson, co-owner of Fremont Brewing.

In ideological terms, the three contenders are, respectively, a democratic socialist, a progressive Democrat and a business-oriented liberal. In other words, the full political spectrum in Seattle.

The leftward tilt of our town’s politics is not unusual among American cities. From Los Angeles and San Francisco to Chicago and Houston to New York City and Boston, Democrats dominate and socialists are on the rise while Republicans are extinct and pragmatic moderates are often caricatured as shills for business interests or apologists for the status quo.

Our current city council is heavy with members who got into politics as activists or legislative aides. There is nothing wrong with either of those roles, but, with the council lacking much political diversity, there is also not a wide range of professional experience among the council members.

An echo chamber is fine if you want to hear your own voice, over and over again, but it might not be the best model for effective government.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




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May 5, 2013
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Hacking Away Democrats are attacking our liberties and freedoms in the name of saving our democracy, that’s like Putin claiming to save Ukraine.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Lmao, yeah the person nonviolently protesting a war was the bad guy. Great opinion Tom.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

It's an interesting thing about this cartoon that at no point does McFadden consider the plight of the Ukrainian people. Only bad takes by a nebulously-defined media and how America is involved, both issues being portrayed in a typically reductionist manner. And while frankly I agree with them that there's been many ghoulish and stupid takes on the war I do raise an eyebrow at the lack of consideration for why this war is happening in the first place. To judge by the narrative presented in this cartoon, you would think American troops are pouring into somewhere to fight somebody and nuclear war is a positive certainty.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Mar 9, 2022

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

Twelve by Pies posted:

I think the one Zulily was talking about was this one:



And here's the opinion piece that went along with it:

Horsey doesn't explicitly say he would prefer a Republican to her, but it's pretty strongly implied by how he talks about her. There is, however, this "classic" Horsey where he laments that there aren't any Republicans running for Seattle's city council:



Actually now that I see it again, the second of those is definitely the one I was thinking about, even if the first one is a lot closer to the description. I guess I've been blending a lot of his rants together.

I found another couple cartoons from the same time with similar rants, but then the Seattle Times paywalled me for having looked at two articles and I cannot be bothered to circumvent it. Short version, he really hates his local city council and their refusal to recognize that the homeless are animals who can't be contained through social services and that only cops can deal with them.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Terrible opinion, but I really love the art in this one.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Horsey is known to be a quite skilled (if often extremely horny) artist.

Reminder: Voting for the first round of the Kellies ends on the 13th. I am likely to let folks cast votes for all three rounds throughout the voting period, but that would mean you had to read all 360 entries in one sitting. Do you really want to do that?

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

It's an interesting thing about this cartoon that at no point does McFadden consider the plight of the Ukrainian people. Only bad takes by a nebulously-defined media and how America is involved, both issues being portrayed in a typically reductionist manner. And while frankly I agree with them that there's been many ghoulish and stupid takes on the war I do raise an eyebrow at the lack of consideration for why this war is happening in the first place.

How would you do that while maintaining both the joke and the message? This is a comic about warhawks, it's not like adding nuance helps it.

Would you also like them to include an explanation that NATO countries getting more directly involved would guarantee a nuclear exchange?

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

MrUnderbridge posted:

So what are all those cartoonists who said Biden was paying for the war by still buying oil from Russia going to do now?

A. Ignore it.
B. Ignore it.
C. Ignore it.
D. All of the above.

You’re neglecting the possibility that they’ll just gaslight right through it.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




There it is folks, the perfect combo :discourse:

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012

I know this is simplification and also a stupid nitpick on my part, but a gallon is such a stupid unit of measurement when compared to the liter, I doubt that you'd find one person fleeing Kiev who knows what a gallon is.


Goddamn, that's grim.


drat I laughed.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Rall: Why Are We in so Deep for Ukraine?

Ted Rall posted:

The people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and many other countries destroyed by US military forces never enjoyed the sympathetic media coverage, much less the humanization, that Ukrainians are getting during the Russian invasion. To the contrary, Afghan patriots who shot at American forces were portrayed as terrorists and enemy combatants. Why the difference?

First Dog on the Moon: Will it be the war or the floods or white feminism or mould that finally pushes YOU over the EDGE?

Trapezium Dave fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Mar 9, 2022

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Raised By Birds posted:

Gary Markstein


Thank you.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

I know political cartoonists are some of the stupidest people in existence and there's nothing that they can't misunderstand but how the gently caress did someone draw this?

Fister Roboto posted:

There it is folks, the perfect combo :discourse:

She (and other right wingers) would say that this isn't hypocritical or contradictory because they want oil companies to drill more in America. That's been one of the biggest right wing talking points even before Biden announced the US would ban Russian oil imports, is that we wouldn't have high gas prices right now if Biden hadn't closed the Keystone pipeline and prevented oil companies from drilling on American soil.

Trapezium Dave posted:

Rall: Why Are We in so Deep for Ukraine?


Ted Rall Say the Russian Invasion of Ukraine is Bad challenge.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
The magic of Rall: I kinda agree with him, but he is so bad at making the point, that I now think that maybe US good? :v:

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


We should put in the OP that Rall is often the epitome of that "worst person you know just made a good point"
And then punch him.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer

Raised By Birds posted:

Gary Markstein

I can't anymore. They drew the people from Kiev as if they were suffering women from WW2 when the reality is that they live and dress just like anyone here do.

What the gently caress is wrong with these loving cartoonists. The loving buildings dont even look like buildings that exists in loving Ukraine!

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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But... the entire point of an MRE is that it's self-heating. That's like, their one most famous feature.

EDIT: Like I'm sorry, I just can't get over this. What was the point of putting "MRE" on that bag? If she had just left it off it'd still be a lovely joke, but it would at least have part of it make sense.

Why is this, and not the dumbass point, the thing that's pissing me off so much?

RoyKeen
Jul 24, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Neito posted:

But... the entire point of an MRE is that it's self-heating. That's like, their one most famous feature.

EDIT: Like I'm sorry, I just can't get over this. What was the point of putting "MRE" on that bag? If she had just left it off it'd still be a lovely joke, but it would at least have part of it make sense.

Why is this, and not the dumbass point, the thing that's pissing me off so much?

I think it's because it comes across as the guy being so paranoid and delusional that he stockpiled MREs (without knowing ho to use them ) and moved his family to a cave because he felt there was some impending doom due to the "democrats". In reality there's a perfectly fine and thriving city only just a mile away with a lovely cafe owned by some lesbians who have been together longer than than dad in the cartoon. They have amazing scones. They should eat there. NO Wait! Democrats and solar panels are about. Eat this half burnt, half uncooked MRE and sleep on that rock.

bartok
May 10, 2006



It's weird how the Jello Biarfra and Mojo Nixon cover of "Love me I'm a Liberal" plays whenever you look at a Horsey cartoon.

Skeleton Mom
Aug 11, 2008

Xarn posted:

The magic of Rall: I kinda agree with him, but he is so bad at making the point, that I now think that maybe US good? :v:

i wonder sometimes if rall is a psyop to make people think leftist ideas are actually bad, but if that's true it's not really working because my politics aren't changing but i am hating rall more with each strip

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

By popular demand posted:

We should put in the OP that Rall is often the epitome of that "worst person you know just made a good point"
And then punch him.

He's really not, that gag is about agreeing with a person you really don't want to agree with because they tend to have all the worst views. It's really just a reimagining of the old "stopped clock" metaphor.

Rall's points are the opposite, in that his views are broadly from the same place as yours, but he makes his points so poorly that you get the urge to disagree on principle. In the clock metaphor he's more of one that's 15 minutes off, which means that he will never be correct, not even twice a day, but he'll consistently be adjacent to being correct.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Skeleton Mom posted:

i wonder sometimes if rall is a psyop to make people think leftist ideas are actually bad, but if that's true it's not really working because my politics aren't changing but i am hating rall more with each strip

I think it's more likely that Rall is a psyop to see if you can make people suffer an aneurism from pure rage.

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Oct 15, 2012

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GoutPatrol posted:

Epstein doesn't know how to work, he looks perfectly calm when inside a devastating headlock.

Tbh that expression and the hand position puts me in mind of religious iconography. As though he’s some saint being martyred.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
It's nice to imagine a world where Ted Rall exists on purpose, but the boring explanation is that he is just the archetype of a Mediocre White Guy, someone with no particular talents and zero capacity for introspection, but a shitton of unearned confidence. They make extremely dependable Useful Idiots, because you just have to tell them you think they're smart and cool and they will doggedly stick to your guns and never attempt to comprehend a thought that contradicts their already held beliefs.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
OK so is surrogacy a right wing culture war thing I’m just not aware of? This is a particularly weird take even for Ishida:

https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1501606259132227588?s=21

My best guess is that conservatives noticed that surrogacy let’s gay people have kids so it must be bad by default.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
My best bet is that it started as an "abortion bad, adoption good" take that he let cook on the grill of Gender Essentialism until it was burned beyond recognition, but I'm not sure that's the simplest answer.

Cloud Potato
Jan 9, 2011

"I'm... happy!"
:britain:

Guardian:

"Steve Bell on Priti Patel and Ukrainian refugees – Home secretary accused of misleading Commons over help offered to those fleeing war"

Telegraph:

Russian tanks stuck in the mud ‘an example of poor planning’ for Ukraine invasion

Independent:


Times:


Evening Standard:

Ernest Shackleton’s ship Endurance found off coast of Antarctica

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
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readingatwork posted:

OK so is surrogacy a right wing culture war thing I’m just not aware of? This is a particularly weird take even for Ishida:

https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1501606259132227588?s=21

My best guess is that conservatives noticed that surrogacy let’s gay people have kids so it must be bad by default.
It all ties into the whole weird 'transhumanism' thing which in a certain reactionary sector is bad because it has something to do with trans people, vaccines, replacing spirituality with technology, ending the nuclear family which is the only natural family unit, and behind all that the illuminati or whoever this month's find replace of 'Jews' in the Protocols of Zion is.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Rall's problem isn't that he's wrong about things. Like the one where he drew Biden saying the US wouldn't tolerate a country invading another one on false pretenses and then it shows Obama/Bush/Trump in prison. He is absolutely 100% correct about the US being wrong on invading Iraq and Afghanistan, and that Bush, Trump and Obama should be in prison for war crimes. The problem is that he's using it to distract and deflect from Russia invading Ukraine, because he can't say "Russia is bad" due to getting paid by Russia. And he's still doing it, I guess because he hopes they'll hire him back at some point.

It's not that Ted Rall is wrong, he's just more concerned with getting sick burns in on the US because he wants to prove he was right all along about how Iraq and Afghanistan were bad, to show all those Hitlers how great and smart he is. So he's incapable of saying another country is doing something wrong, especially if everybody already agrees that a country is doing something wrong, because everyone agrees with him so he's not special. Better instead to say "Oh yeah well what about when I was right about this OTHER thing huh? Praise me, Ted Rall, for being right!"

readingatwork posted:

My best guess is that conservatives noticed that surrogacy let’s gay people have kids so it must be bad by default.

Conservatives are against gay people adopting kids and want to make it illegal for them to do so, but I don't think I've actually heard any of them talk about surrogate parenting. I assume they don't think it's an issue, because in their minds liberals would rather abort babies than have babies so they don't think liberals are doing it, which would mean only good conservative people who wouldn't be gay are doing it, so why would it be an issue?

It may be a thing where it's purely an Ishida point of view, like he knows liberals don't just love aborting babies or whatever and thus he's outside of that specific part of the right wing mindset, but like you said he goes "But wait, that means it would allow gay/trans people to have kids! That can't be good!"

Kind of like how the right wing media was all "We're saying the vaccine and masks are bad because of science, science is good it's just liberals are misusing it," and Ishida just went "The vaccine and masks are bad because science is bad." It wasn't a mainstream right wing opinion, it was just Ishida's own weird opinion.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I wish that there were more people who were calling out the immense hypocrisy of western nations' response to the Ukraine invasion who aren't Ted Rall.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Fister Roboto posted:

I wish that there were more people who were calling out the immense hypocrisy of western nations' response to the Ukraine invasion who aren't Ted Rall.
Yeah, I've been getting 2004 vibes from everything, with the weird performative nationalism ("Russian breeders banned from cat competitions! The Putin Bar in Israel changes its name!") and the absolute 0% interest in discussing how things could go wrong or negative ramifications, and the weird sexualization... but Ted Rall ain't it.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
I wonder if Trall knows that Ukraine uses drones?

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
I'm surprised Rall hasn't made a cartoon mentioning Azov and framing the US as supporting Nazis.

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!
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fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Ted "Putin" Cruz

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