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I like CotP overall, but Sin ends up being a win more mechanic where if you overkill enemies enough you get strong equipment that makes it easier to overkill enemies on later maps to get even better equipment, etc. That, and it just isn't a hard enough game to make it feel like I need to Plume characters to get by, which kinda ruins that whole mechanic. I think if you kept the minimum Sin threshold but ditched the rewards for higher tiers it would be a better game.
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WrightOfWay posted:I like CotP overall, but Sin ends up being a win more mechanic where if you overkill enemies enough you get strong equipment that makes it easier to overkill enemies on later maps to get even better equipment, etc. That, and it just isn't a hard enough game to make it feel like I need to Plume characters to get by, which kinda ruins that whole mechanic. I think if you kept the minimum Sin threshold but ditched the rewards for higher tiers it would be a better game. Yeah, I'm with you in regards to Sin's potential feedback loop undermining the morality system, the Plume being the focal point of that. From what I see, the base reason Sin existing is to set a minimum tactics/skill requirement on each map that is supposed to push you to use the Plume to keep up with it or bear the challenge presented to preserve your morality. It's a parallel system to Lenneth's performance rating at heart, with the same concept of "going for the best ending will make this harder", but with a lot more potential meaningful influence on the gameplay. Getting rid of the better rewards would definitely remedy the power loop, but then the whole deal you're struck with is more like work and loses that sense of reward and potential dark temptation. There's something to be said for letting the player get really powerful though and giving such a rewarding power loop, particularly in the thematic nature of what you're doing. I think if you made running the Sin wrought too high overall rendering the same morality changes as using the plume a lot, it'd make doing it more of a question. You're brutalizing your foes in the name of Hel for greater power and riches, and that should be a slippery slope to darkness, but... it's not. It has no effect but accidentally making it easier to pursue the best ending, rather than making you question if your current moral standing can abide picking up extra sin for some good rewards right now. Hell, using the Plume alone gives you sin already, it'd fit into this new approach with little change. I probably look back on it all as fondly as I do just because I was trash at the game when I first played it, and consequently using the Plume was always a question for me. Getting enough sin was sometimes difficult, and some missions pretty much needed me to make a sacrifice. Left 4 Bread fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Mar 12, 2022 |
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Been playing some of that FF Strangers of Paradise demo , and as dumb as I feel saying it, Im really interested in the story. Something about the world and the plot feel...off in a way that hints at something else going on, and the strange references made in level to descriptions to stuff like constructed world's and other dinensions really makes me wonder if there's something more to what seems to be a very generic 'time to kill Chaos' plot.
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Basically the entire FF Megathread is extremely hype to kill Chaos, so you're in good company.
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We should give Chaos a chance
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Gaius Marius posted:We should give Chaos a chance bullshit
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to this day I'm still not sure if people are excited for Stranger of Paradise completely ironically or not
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Jazerus posted:bullshit sonic adventure minigame hater here
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Junpei posted:to this day I'm still not sure if people are excited for Stranger of Paradise completely ironically or not Even ignoring the story it's a new game by the Nioh devs. It's gonna be a good game and people are right to be excited!
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Junpei posted:to this day I'm still not sure if people are excited for Stranger of Paradise completely ironically or not it looks really cool and the only reason i'm not planning on playing it rn is because march is stacked as it is
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Junpei posted:to this day I'm still not sure if people are excited for Stranger of Paradise completely ironically or not I've been wondering that ever since the "Bullshit" video came out. It all felt like irony posting. But people in the FF thread assure me they are legitimately excited for the game so more power to them. Although now I'm remembering all the talk from back then about the lack of women in a lot of FF games of late. And by "of late" I mean FFXV seven years ago and now this. Did FFXVI ever confirm a female party member? I remember that was up in the air.
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I'm excited for the game the same way I'm excited for Fast and Furious movies. It looks dumb as all hell but a fun little action romp. If it wasn't in the middle of a stacked month for games I'd probably be picking it up soon after checking somr reviews.
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Junpei posted:to this day I'm still not sure if people are excited for Stranger of Paradise completely ironically or not both, simultaneously
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Who has time to like things ironically any more?
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NikkolasKing posted:I've been wondering that ever since the "Bullshit" video came out. It all felt like irony posting. But people in the FF thread assure me they are legitimately excited for the game so more power to them. SoP has 2 female party members though?
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Mar 13, 2022 10:12
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Stranger of Paradise has five total party members, including two women. In singleplayer mode, you can only play as Jack, but if you're a multiplayer guest, you instead play as one of the other four while the host plays as Jack.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:SoP has 2 female party members though? Bongo Bill posted:Stranger of Paradise has five total party members, including two women. In singleplayer mode, you can only play as Jack, but if you're a multiplayer guest, you instead play as one of the other four while the host plays as Jack. Fair enough. I only ever saw or heard about Jack and some other dudes. So this is cool.
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It just looks so... grimdark and emo. Every time I look at art of it I can faintly hear a "CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN" in the back of my head.
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Mar 13, 2022 12:30
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Sounds sick to me. Genuinely kinda weird and unique for that aesthetic to be played straight and sincerely these days so its pretty rad imo.
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If they play it completely straight throughout then it will be incredible.
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NikkolasKing posted:Fair enough. I only ever saw or heard about Jack and some other dudes. It starts with the three guys. Not sure how long until they run into the women.
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Junpei posted:It just looks so... grimdark and emo. Every time I look at art of it I can faintly hear a "CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN" in the back of my head. Strangers in paradise owns because there’s a non-zero chance that song will end up in the game somewhere.
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Junpei posted:It just looks so... grimdark and emo. Every time I look at art of it I can faintly hear a "CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN" in the back of my head. Honestly after playing the demo, emo was the last thing on my mind while watching the cutscenes. It is sincere about what it is though, and that should be lauded. Srice fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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For the unfamiliar or posters who weren't really alive in the early 2000s, emo and nu-metal are not the same thing! Please be mindful of your words. Thank you.
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Mokinokaro posted:It starts with the three guys. Not sure how long until they run into the women. The first joins literally at the end of the first dungeon.
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exquisite tea posted:If they play it completely straight throughout then it will be incredible. From what I've seen of it, I'd say it's not so much playing it straight as leaning into its own goofiness with genuine self-love.
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Yeah it's definitely self aware to some extent. It just knows what it wants to be and embraces it.
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Did you not watch the trailer that establishes that Jack is, despite his apparent intensity and loathing of Chaos, also a friendly, self-actualized guy who strives to push his teammates ever forward and is in a committed and happy relationship with the princess? The same trailer that ends with Frank Sinatra's My Way? There is nothing ironic in this game, it appears to be genuine and sincere and happy being its own goofy thing
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Yes this is what "playing it straight" means.
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I can’t wait for the explanation of why Jack Garland goes from sounding like a kinda generic gruff guy to Buff Piccolo, personally.
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The game is weird because they went back and slightly changed that "Bullshit!" scene and it comes across as slightly even more hilarious and I have no idea why they would do that unless they really, really want to set Jack as being badass rather than ironically hilarious. Plus, given Nojima is involved, I need to play this to find out if he pulls something incredibly stupid and 100% meant to be taken seriously
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I'm just hoping it doesn't turn into some boring bullshit meta story telling like the FF7 remake.
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exquisite tea posted:Yes this is what "playing it straight" means. I prefer playing it homosexually
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SoP is just KH but Dudes Rock and so it is art.
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Games that are completely ridiculous but 110% earnest about all of its bullshit are the greatest
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Ace Transmuter posted:Games that are completely ridiculous but 110% earnest about all of its bullshit are the greatest Shadow Hearts
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Ace Transmuter posted:Games that are completely ridiculous but 110% earnest about all of its bullshit are the greatest Like what? Best I can come up with is Metal Gear Rising and Metal Wolf Chaos but I'm drawing a blank beyond that. EDF maybe?
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CYBEReris posted:I prefer playing it homosexually We have Gust for that.
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We don't appear to have language to describe when a story is an unalloyed drama involving characters who are played straight in scenario without anything silly in it, but it nevertheless takes on comedic elements as a result of the framing and editing.
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