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ummel posted:So how is this not brigading? We'll take care of it. Please just report the post in the future and not drop it here.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Lmao at anyone who believed any of those letters were real sean10mm posted:It's like Qanon for boring people at this point. It's this, yeah.
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Mans posted:https://twitter.com/LaborwaveCCCP/status/1505988627498774530 Cool account, what does that Z mean?
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Roma tend to be pretty reviled and treated like poo poo everywhere in Eastern Europe (not that Western Europeans have good views of them either). This isn't a defence of it, but Russia (and frankly many NATO countries) aren't much better - Ukraine just has an added sprinkle of societal chaos and likely mob justice against real or imagined crimes.
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fatherboxx posted:Cool account, what does that Z mean? lovely account aside, this may actually be happening (and wouldn't be the first time this happens in war). But yeah, that twitter is suspect. Capri Sunrise posted:Roma tend to be pretty reviled and treated like poo poo everywhere in Eastern Europe (not that Western Europeans have good views of them either). This isn't a defence of it, but Russia (and frankly many NATO countries) aren't much better - Ukraine just has an added sprinkle of societal chaos and likely mob justice against real or imagined crimes. Yup, old prejudices just surfacing again because of the hardship of war. Disgusting nonetheless.
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fatherboxx posted:Cool account, what does that Z mean? It means anti-fascist. Antifascists like Dimitri Utkin. CommieGIR posted:lovely account aside, this may actually be happening This also isn't the first time that tankie twitter cooked up a lie about innocent people getting tied to poles to claim it's a war crime when it was actually looters and thieves caught by civilians.
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ummel posted:Edit- Duh, report button. Counter tweet. "Yes, they were hatecrimed but they were actually criminals" is not exactly a resounding rebuttal.
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Not So Fast posted:Here's the same thing from a BILD reporter if the Twitter source is bad. A BILD reporter blurring faces? That's a new one.
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fatherboxx posted:Cool account, what does that Z mean?
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Xombie posted:This also isn't the first time that tankie twitter cooked up a lie about looters and thieves getting tied to poles by civilians and to claim it's a war crime. Also true.
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The article was from 2018, so could be related to the prior unrest, but not the current invasion.
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ummel posted:Edit- Duh, report button. Counter tweet. Why do they put them in blackface?
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:big drones are more immediately dangerous, because they can be carrying weapons. small drones are more difficult to detect, and the only thing they could be doing is spying on you, and the modern battlefield is full of devices that can spy on you. its also tough to do anything about a small drone once you detect it I'll note there isn't a clean divide. Switchblades are pretty small! And the weaponized commercial drones like Ukraine is using are basically just observation drones rigged to drop grenades.
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KitConstantine posted:Cinci - thanks for editing my post, I was already asleep by the time you responded. No problem. The post was borderline, and I was away from computer anyway - mobile app only allows editing, out of moderation tools. Kaal posted:If the expectation is that the Ignore function is supposed to replace moderation, then the field should be expanded because with all the reregs it quickly maxes out. The expectation is that people consider using the ignore function in place of making bad posts out disinterest in letting moderation run its due course, or disagreement with the outcomes of it. It’s fair for every goon to expect that moderation does work - yet it doesn’t appear that all of them acknowledge that D&D-specific rules impose requirements not only on posters, but also on moderators, e.g., to treat your average post under assumptions of good faith. It’s fine to dislike or argue against this state of affairs, but this isn’t the thread for it. madmatt112 posted:Makes me wonder if Putin decided his hard on for war was finally worth acting on and he is specifically trying to (or *was*, before this clusterfuck) kick off a continental war, so that he - in his aggrandized and overblown opinion of himself and his state apparatus’ competency- can prey on the broken participants who are now super vulnerable to empire-absorption. Thus fulfilling his apparent desire to rebuild a Russian Empire 2.0 I don’t think the plan was to cause a continental war. I think the plan may have been to fracture EU/NATO along rhetorical fault lines, and then domino conquer Ukraine, Transnistria, Georgia, maybe parts of Baltics, Armenia, and Finland.
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the holy poopacy posted:"Yes, they were hatecrimed but they were actually criminals" is not exactly a resounding rebuttal. Believe it or not, "person who is stealing stuff" is not a protected class in any country.
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Xombie posted:Believe it or not, "person who is stealing stuff" is not a protected class in any country. They are in San Francisco, of you listen to the chuds ---- As for drones, there are some commercial solutions including microwaves (IIRC) and bigger drones with nets. How effective they would be against military tech, I don't know. A dude with an AK could probably shoot one down too if it's close enough.
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Xombie posted:Believe it or not, "person who is stealing stuff" is not a protected class in any country. Singling out criminals for additional public degradation and abuse because of their ethnicity is a hate crime, I don't know why this has to be explained.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:With all due respect I don't think you guys understand just how much 8000 calories per day is, even for heavily armed soldiers. Remember folks, that's 3 kg of food and water. That's one MRE and a couple liters of water, 4kcal or so, nothing extraordinary.
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https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1506256037443219461 Good news if true. Hope it can be confirmed.
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the holy poopacy posted:Singling out criminals for additional public degradation and abuse because of their ethnicity is a hate crime, I don't know why this has to be explained. He thinks they aren’t being singled out, that all looters are being treated this way. Seems unlikely. And like, regardless, why defend this poo poo?
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Xombie posted:Believe it or not, "person who is stealing stuff" is not a protected class in any country. That article describes a group of vigilantes going around watching for Roma picking pockets so they can "catch them" and tie them to poles, which is not really defensible. I mean, clearly the war has empowered a lot of lovely people to do stuff they wanted to do anyway. That said, what is this meant to prove? That Ukraine isn't exactly the world's strongest liberal democracy? OK. Point made. Did anyone believe that? The country has a lot of the same problems other countries in EE have, and perhaps in many cases worse problems. Now it's being invaded and I doubt that helps at all. I just don't understand what I'm meant to get from this stuff other than saying "wow, they should stop doing that" and moving on. It doesn't really change my view of Ukraine or whether we should be helping them fight off an invasion.
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Xombie posted:Believe it or not, "person who is stealing stuff" is not a protected class in any country. wait until you learn that oppressive groups often accuse the victims of their oppression of crimes in order to justify the oppression
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the holy poopacy posted:Singling out criminals for additional public degradation and abuse because of their ethnicity is a hate crime, I don't know why this has to be explained. Tankie twitter already overplayed this hand by calling this a war crime when it was Russian soldiers doing the stealing. You can call this out for being morally wrong for the additional public degradation, but the only common denominator in this action appears to be that it is the vigilante punishment for theft. Not for being any specific group of person who is doing the stealing.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Wait, how are we at 11th letter already? There was 5th just days ago, and it was already going completely off rails. This is more and more looking like an unofficial r/WritingPrompts thing. The very first of these letters was already entirely unbelievable, but people on the internet love generating their own fake news.
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This is orthogonal to the current discussion but if anyone is interested in the NASA FIRMS info that people are referencing to locate high conflict areas in Ukraine here's the link - I have it positioned over Ukraine https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:2022-03-21..2022-03-22,2022-03-21;@34.2,48.3,6z Note that it detects smoke as well as actual fires, which is why I think there's a bunch of 'fire' indicated in Russian/Belarusian border areas right now - I suspect it's detecting the sites of missiles firing. Not completely conclusive, but interesting information - a lot of fire indicated around Irpin and along the E40 highway, for example
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“look we aren’t targeting black people, just loiterers”
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Concerned Citizen posted:No need to snipe at me. It's at risk of being an extreme echo chamber because almost every regular poster in here agrees with each other in here on nearly everything, which is evident by reading the thread. I don’t see regulars agreeing on a whole load of things more nuanced than “Russia is bad actor here”, or Eastern Europeans here having similar general perspective on Russian foreign policy, out of shared history of violence against us. My argument is that I could easily see how someone in your posting shoes feels that. That said, I think the nature of the thread tends to underexpose the differences between the posters, due to focus on current affairs, and fairly clear cut conflict core of Russia being a malicious actor. Not So Fast posted:Here's the same thing from a BILD reporter if the Twitter source is bad. Vigilantism is never an answer. I wish Bild journalist would’ve shared which news channel that is, but reading the screenshot they’re alleging that people in question have been caught in the act of stealing, rather than simply happened to be IDPs subject to mistreatment (which we’ve also seen happen, e.g., at the border in the initial chaos). Looking around, http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/russia-distorting-photos-for-propaganda-purposes-roma-nonprofits-alert-ukrainian-authorities this seems to be a Czech NGO corroborating the stated interpretation of events. I know we have a few Czech regulars here - can any of you confirm reputation of the site?
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Xombie posted:This also isn't the first time that tankie twitter cooked up a lie about innocent people getting tied to poles to claim it's a war crime when it was actually looters and thieves caught by civilians. "someone said the Roma are looters and thieves" is not the exculpatory evidence you would like it to be I'm afraid
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Concerned Citizen posted:That said, what is this meant to prove? That Ukraine isn't exactly the world's strongest liberal democracy? OK. Point made. Did anyone believe that? The country has a lot of the same problems other countries in EE have, and perhaps in many cases worse problems. Now it's being invaded and I doubt that helps at all. I just don't understand what I'm meant to get from this stuff other than saying "wow, they should stop doing that" and moving on. It doesn't really change my view of Ukraine or whether we should be helping them fight off an invasion. like 80% of the reason anyone discusses current events online is so they can identify a person they can label a secret nazi in their mind, and then attack and destroy that person verbally to feel better about themselves. its a weird hobby but folks also play warhammer so wyd
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:"someone said the Roma are looters and thieves" is not the exculpatory evidence you would like it to be I'm afraid "Some random twitter tankie nobody said these looters and thieves are Roma" is not the exculpatory evidence you would like it to be I'm afraid
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ELTON JOHN posted:wait until you learn that oppressive groups often accuse the victims of their oppression of crimes in order to justify the oppression I think that the relevant point here is that this is the actions of civilian vigilanties and not an official sanctioned action on the part of the Ukrainian government. Hopefully the Ukrainian government will find these vigilanties and prosecute them, unfortunately the issue of being invaded by a hostile foreign power is taking priority.
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Xombie posted:Tankie twitter already overplayed this hand by calling this a war crime when it was Russian soldiers doing the stealing. The only on the ground source posted in response to the pics claims that they are singled out for being both looters and Roma. If you have a better source that can conclusively claim (or even inconclusively claim) that this is a general treatment for all looters, feel free to post it.
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mllaneza posted:Remember folks, that's 3 kg of food and water. That's one MRE and a couple liters of water, 4kcal or so, nothing extraordinary. Sounds weird, because I imagine someone hauling all that equipment would need more than 3 kg of water alone. A person needs 1L per day while resting only.
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Concerned Citizen posted:That said, what is this meant to prove? It was a honeypot post from uh somewhere else to see if posters ITT would defend that behavior
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Xombie posted:"someone said these looters and thieves are Roma" is not the exculpatory evidence you would like it to be I'm afraid you seem really determined to trust the people tying women to lightposts eh (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I've asked Koos Group to make a statement of their own about moderation, C-SPAM, etcetera, but in the meantime you can hopefully do with mine. Greetings. So about Judakel. For various reasons, positions aren't moderated in D&D. That does unfortunately include ones that are odious or monstrous. However, I've had other complaints about Judakel's posting here, such as he's making points through insinuation rather than directly, that he's not including sources for his assertions, that he's deliberately overstating, that he's posting too much about his personal feelings rather than discussable points, and repeating points without addressing counterpoints. All of those are explicitly or implicitly against D&D's rules, so we'll be taking a look at his thread history and considering more serious moderation options.
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