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Feliday Melody posted:And not even a good ship! T1 miners! Also rigless, also one ice miner and strip miner is fitted for some reason. Also it has absolutely no tank either, it is walking gank bait. I think I might apply to mini luv after all.
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You really think the praxis wasn't that already? "but what about the people who trained skills to make a retriever" rings very very hollow when mining barges require industry I to make, and the core temperature regulator needed for battleships require industry V and Science V plus all the PI skills needed for the mats, and yet non-industry players are perfectly happy to stick their hands out for that free gift each year.
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The praxis is a terrible analogy because you can't actually build a praxis in the game. If CCP were handing out Megathrons or Apocs as the freebie, your comparison might make sense, but they don't so it doesn't. And what about the blueprints and minerals that the retriever builder uses? Or skills to make the BPO or BPC more efficient? Or the ISK sinks from broker fees and building fees and copying fees? And what makes you think CCP would just stop at barges in packs? Why not a cruiser pack? Because all of those things are what the player base at large was loving furious at
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Mar 21, 2022 22:25
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I do build retrievers and it’s not a bad thing to bring up if you also build battleships, or even sell minerals on market to people who build battleships. Why would anyone buy a regular battleship or battlecruiser for the 8 months of the year where you/your 6 alt accounts have your free one, or they are cheap on the market? Yeh I know the praxis don’t get the tank boosts but the BS V bonuses remain. What about the skills and BPOs for the frigate and cruiser BPCs given away on the daily log in rewards? all of these things are terrible for eve. I would hope that people who, rightly, complain that the retriever out of thin air is damaging to eve also now realise why the praxis is a poo poo deal for industrialists as well.
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learnincurve posted:I do build retrievers and it’s not a bad thing to bring up if you also build battleships, or even sell minerals on market to people who build battleships. What BS V bonuses??? The praxis gets no bonuses of any type from skills, it just has some pretty mediocre role bonuses. While it can do a bunch of different things it definitely doesnt do any of them well as a specialized normal battleship. It has a few niche uses but it's outshined in virtually every single possible role by a specialized BS from one of the empire factions.
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Well ok yes you don’t need to train any skills for the combination of drone and turret bonuses that can blast through level 3 missions and happily rat in 0.0, they are just given to you, and how is this not worse? Average and low skilled players aren’t in faction battleships, they are in praxis, conjured from thin air, and every one of those lost when someone messes up a L4 for the first time should have been a player built ship. Anything that CCP creates from nothing and gives to the players is going to hurt the game, yes it’s most certainly a slope from selling retrievers to selling avatars, but the whole “everything is created by players” purity got pissed on when the general player base went “oooh free destroyer/battle cruiser/battleship god bless you CCP”
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don't worry though, they're gonna fix it by somehow buying the ships they give away in packs and deals from the market
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I’m mostly really mad because pets at home (petsmart) in my area were incorrectly storing their snake food, salmonella got detected, and every single pet shop in the county had their stock recalled and snake food licences revoked till further notice and it’s just cost me £95 to order frozen online
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Stereotype posted:don't worry though, they're gonna fix it by somehow buying the ships they give away in packs and deals from the market 
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learnincurve posted:I’m mostly really mad because pets at home (petsmart) in my area were incorrectly storing their snake food, salmonella got detected, and every single pet shop in the county had their stock recalled and snake food licences revoked till further notice and it’s just cost me £95 to order frozen online Based on my cat, you should probably future-proof by getting a cat that's really into hunting mice. Though you should check before if people in your area use poison bait to fight vermin, as that stuff nowadays is strong enough to poison your pets by proxy (mouse eats poison, cat catches the now weak mouse before it dies, your snake eats the mouse, your snake dies) Around here that's enough of a problem our local vets are all stocked up on vitamin K injections, as that counters the most common rat poisons Though now that I think about this, the injections are mostly for cats/dogs. Also wait a minute, free vermin come with parasites, are there even anti-parasite meds for snakes?  you know what, just forget my bad idea and keep on feeding your snake frozen mice
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After nearly 4 hours of fighting across 6 systems, we held military superiority of the TZ and could pretty much fly around and do whatever we wanted. Which we used to finish some strat objectives. https://br.evetools.org/br/6239d44656bb29024b44cc1d 
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But also whos gonna go and make a new non-lovely EVE in unity 5?
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Feliday Melody posted:After nearly 4 hours of fighting across 6 systems, we held military superiority of the TZ and could pretty much fly around and do whatever we wanted. Which we used to finish some strat objectives. I was there for the big fight for TR07 on Saturday but couldn't be there this morning. It was the first time I had been playing for a big contested ihub fight. It was quite action packed in the jackdaw fleet - we were constantly warping around trying to put out fires around the constellation. Good job goons. Glad to see it.
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GSV gently caress Your God posted:I was there for the big fight for TR07 on Saturday but couldn't be there this morning. It was the first time I had been playing for a big contested ihub fight. It was quite action packed in the jackdaw fleet - we were constantly warping around trying to put out fires around the constellation. Good job goons. Glad to see it. The first few brawls were pretty brutal. They wore down maybe a third of our Muninn fleet, but we traded evenly-ish Except the people who died on our side re-whipped and formed up. Then we disengaged and formed up with them. Went back and continued the fight and won. Because the enemy had received very few reinforcements. I think some logi pilots had time to reship four times. I did one reship.
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https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/road-to-fanfest-ever-closer structure damage nerfs, stealth bomber and proteus buffs as always there is "more to come!" and so, to quote CCP Aurora  prepare to be disappointed!
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Otacon posted:https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/road-to-fanfest-ever-closer Apparently they already have enough data from the compression update to gently caress about with cap building some more. It's only been a couple of weeks or did I slip into a coma?
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captainclaw posted:Apparently they already have enough data from the compression update to gently caress about with cap building some more. It's only been a couple of weeks or did I slip into a coma? All they said was they had the data, not that they were going to look at it to provide the basis for any changes!
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Otacon posted:All they said was they had the data, not that they were going to look at it to provide the basis for any changes! "The previously mentioned blueprint changes to faction ships, dreadnoughts, and capital ships are taking shape after careful review of the impact that the update to compression has made to the market this March, and we will be sharing the details of these updates mid-April, just before Fanfest"
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, they want to announce the material requirement drop for capital cores and/or the removal of capital cores from jump freighters for fanfest so they don't end up in a room of angry nerds who haven't had the opportunity to shout at them for 3 years.
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If they make capitals worth building I’m going to be so mad. Don’t make me want to play this dumb game again ccp you absolute monsters
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Otacon posted:as always there is "more to come!" and so, to quote CCP Aurora *narrator voice* they were disappointed
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Feliday Melody posted:The first few brawls were pretty brutal. They wore down maybe a third of our Muninn fleet, but we traded evenly-ish
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learnincurve posted:... BPOs for the frigate and cruiser BPCs given away on the daily log in rewards?
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It's alright, I managed to get pinkies couriered over from the wild badlands of South Yorkshire today. Now we got to hope the little sod does not fear response vomit at me when I check on him.
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finally, a buff to my frigate that does 1000dps and warps cloaked
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Stereotype posted:If they make capitals worth building I’m going to be so mad. Don’t make me want to play this dumb game again ccp you absolute monsters And affordable, it would be nice to be able to use those millions of skill points I have again. Although the dynamic bounty ratio will scupper heavy carrier ratting and may lead to further depopulation of nullsec, which I've noticed has been more quiet after CCP broke the viability of much of the PVE in nullsec. At least carriers make for excellent kill ships while hunting officer rats. On a side note CCP apparently carrier ratting was breaking the eve economy before the nerfs, but a 500 million isk gila running abyssal Tier 4s in highsec in/near jita making the same amount of isk as said carrier is healthy for the economy. Alternatively I guess it's time to train into marauders.
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"we increased the damage of stealth bombers, but to compensate highsec gank victims we're giving all ships in highsec 25% damage reduction"
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What's the cool down on Defender Missiles? You know, the main counterplay to bombs (which CCP probably forgot because few of them actually play).
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arcticmog posted:And affordable, it would be nice to be able to use those millions of skill points I have again. Although the dynamic bounty ratio will scupper heavy carrier ratting and may lead to further depopulation of nullsec, which I've noticed has been more quiet after CCP broke the viability of much of the PVE in nullsec. At least carriers make for excellent kill ships while hunting officer rats. The DBS would be fine if it worked correctly, and CCP admitted a few weeks back that it in fact had not been working correctly at all and so the levels have been going all over the place - the system I call home went from 60% to 95% down to 70% in two days as whatever they were running in the background to rectify the issue shook itself out, and I'm not entirely convinced it's truly fixed yet. What CCP *really* did to kill super ratting which is where most of the ISK generation was coming from was nerfing the bonuses of plates and shield extenders so even under the comfort of our super umbrella, we couldn't save a hotdropped ratting super anymore in Delve, so we simply docked them up or told them to rat in Period Basis at their own risk and to die quietly if they got dropped. CCP have no reverted *some* of those nerfs, but not enough to encourage ratting in your nyx or hel, though a few brave souls have started taking Thanatoses and Nids out to rat in but a carrier will still melt in seconds to bombers, so it's still very much at your own risk
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Ynglaur posted:What's the cool down on Defender Missiles? You know, the main counterplay to bombs (which CCP probably forgot because few of them actually play). I like these. Our support Jackdaws make short work of bombing runs. You know. Those times when papi isn't trying to bomb us on the out gate.... after we aligned.... with no dictor 
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:The DBS would be fine if it worked correctly, and CCP admitted a few weeks back that it in fact had not been working correctly at all and so the levels have been going all over the place - the system I call home went from 60% to 95% down to 70% in two days as whatever they were running in the background to rectify the issue shook itself out, and I'm not entirely convinced it's truly fixed yet. What CCP *really* did to kill super ratting which is where most of the ISK generation was coming from was nerfing the bonuses of plates and shield extenders so even under the comfort of our super umbrella, we couldn't save a hotdropped ratting super anymore in Delve, so we simply docked them up or told them to rat in Period Basis at their own risk and to die quietly if they got dropped. CCP have no reverted *some* of those nerfs, but not enough to encourage ratting in your nyx or hel, though a few brave souls have started taking Thanatoses and Nids out to rat in but a carrier will still melt in seconds to bombers, so it's still very much at your own risk How long is it supposed to take for it to recover from 50%? DBR has a tendency of just emptying out systems that have high truesec or don't get much hostile traffic, which produces the ironic situation where no one hunt-able will live there anymore. Systems staying very low for weeks are quite common as well. Typical  I guess. Regardless I remember the advocates for a system like this pivoted around truesec and not bounties.
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Also the DBM that shows in the HUD in space is different from the one that shows up in the F10 map. And who knows which, if either, is correct.
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OMFG FURRY posted:10 second reload, 120 second reactivation So now you need twice as many Destroyers as the other side has Bombers? I wish this game had a better point-defense play/counterplay model.
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Ynglaur posted:So now you need twice as many Destroyers as the other side has Bombers? I mean that includes jackdaws, dictors and boosting destroyers. And you need at best 1 per bomber for every potentially successful bomb run. In all the fleets I've been in, I have seen one potentially successful run that needed to be stopped by the destroyers. Other times the bombers arrived late or tried to bomb when we were already well aligned. Or it was one/two bombers making a run at a fleet in combat formation and getting themselves killed. I think it's pretty farfetched for the bombers to set up a second run on a moving fleet within 2 minutes.
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Ynglaur posted:So now you need twice as many Destroyers as the other side has Bombers? keep in mind a defender missile goes to the nearest bomb at the time of firing and will not 'look' for another target if that bomb gets defender'd or goes off
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OMFG FURRY posted:keep in mind a defender missile goes to the nearest bomb at the time of firing and will not 'look' for another target if that bomb gets defender'd or goes off if this is the case bombers just need to +1 bomb per wave and gg dumb rurted mechunic gurchisch
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