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VitalSigns posted:You also seem to have selectively quoted a lot ie. The part where the Russian government says everything is fine and it's all greedy sugar hoarders causing the problem and curiously left out analysis contradicting the government like Inflation is rising across the entire world and has been for a year. Russia's inflation rate is lower than the U.S. and is not the result of sanctions. You can predict that there will be harsher sanctions in the future that do end up starving Russians, but the article is explicitly not about anyone starving and not about sanctions. It just isn't. Claiming that the article is about Russians starving because of sanctions is 100% wrong. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Inflation is rising across the entire world and has been for a year. Russia's inflation rate is lower than the U.S. and is not the result of sanctions. Watching you argue that sanctions aren't doing what sanctions are specifically designed to do is sure a fun derail. Its almost like you should just take the L and admit the Biden administration made the situation much worse. Or in Psaki's words: "We have basically crushed the Russian economy"
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Leon, people in the US are starving and desperate for food: https://www.savethechildren.org/us/...going%20hungry.quote:Since March 2020, food insecurity rates across the nation for families with children have risen by nearly two-thirds. Close to 1 in 5 U.S. families reported in December that they did not have enough food. Black and Hispanic children have been disproportionately impacted — they are twice as likely as white children to face hunger in America. You couldn't have picked a worse comparison if you tried.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Inflation is rising across the entire world and has been for a year. Russia's inflation rate is lower than the U.S. and is not the result of sanctions. https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1501261304874549253 It's hard to even chalk this up to poor reading comprehension on your part since you had to edit a quote to make it sound like it supported your position, and I don't see how you can leave out important words like "Although" or literally the main independent clause of a sentence by accident E: you are correct to say that hoarding sugar and empty shelves don't mean anyone is starving yet but it ain't a great sign and the sanctions are responsible, or at least contributing since war is disruptive and some amount would be happening anyway VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Lib and let die posted:Leon, people in the US are starving and desperate for food: https://www.savethechildren.org/us/...going%20hungry. They aren't because of Black Friday or sanctions. That was the literal point. Bishyaler posted:Watching you argue that sanctions aren't doing what sanctions are specifically designed to do is sure a fun derail. Its almost like you should just take the L and admit the Biden administration made the situation much worse. You just didn't read the article. It's not a huge deal, but you can't post the literal opposite conclusion of the article and then assert that your incorrect statement is right by citing the article you didn't read. You can predict that there will be sanctions on sugar or people starving in the future. But, you are wildly incorrect to say that the article you linked supports the claim that "people are starving" and it is a direct result of sanctions.
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You said the article said "sanctions are starving Russians," but actually it said "sanctions will starve Russians,". Five Pinocchios and a million years of poster jail for you.
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VitalSigns posted:This is just your opinion It is not. Please find a source that people in Russia are starving due to lack of sugar that is a direct result of sanctions. If you think that the original assertion is correct, then you are mistaken. If you don't, then we don't disagree.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is not. But yes your nitpick that no one is actually starving due to this, that we know of, yet, is correct but at least according to the article which predicts a "looming standard of living crisis" it's not unreasonable to say it's coming either.
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VitalSigns posted:I was talking about the part where you said the sanctions aren't causing inflation, which you should know since you are ignoring the quote from the article that says it, and the official statement from the Biden administration agreeing with it I feel like "read the article you are posting" isn't an incredibly high standard to adhere too. I'm pretty sure it is one of the few actual rules. After he posted it, there were a dozen posts following it of people taking his word for it that people were starving and that there were sanctions on sugar.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I feel like "read the article you are posting" isn't an incredibly high standard to adhere too. I'm pretty sure it is one of the few actual rules. After he posted it, there were a dozen posts following it of people taking his word for it that people were starving and that there were sanctions on sugar. Get his rear end (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I feel like "read the article you are posting" isn't an incredibly high standard to adhere too. I'm pretty sure it is one of the few actual rules. After he posted it, there were a dozen posts following it of people taking his word for it that people were starving and that there were sanctions on sugar. You don't need a sanction on a specific item for that item to become unattainable under sanctions. People are only punching each other in the face over a food item in a crippled economy, only a fool could infer that food insecurity is imminent. I will now insist that everyone broke the rules by not reading.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:After he posted it, there were a dozen posts following it of people taking his word for it that people were starving and that there were sanctions on sugar. There were dozens of posts about how sanctions were bad and lead to the average citizenry starving. The article it self was about people fighting over sugar, brought on by the panic caused by the sanctions and fear regarding future scarcity. You are the only person dying on this particular weird hill, because you seem to be the only person arguing that the sanctions are cool and good. Edit: also of course no one is literally starving from not getting to eat sugar you dingus lol Edit 2: you should specifically link the dozen posts saying the thing you are saying happened Cow Bell fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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If companies like Apple have no problem "soft sanctioning" Russia in a way that actually hurts the average Russian worker that has less power over their government than we do here in the US more than they hurt that maligned government itself, they should be willing to do the same in Texas and Florida until the trans panic and don't say gay bills are overturned.
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Someone (I think Leon) pointed out in the last CE thread that McAuliffe lost the Virginia race last year bc of olds' voting. Turns out that was bc youngs dropped off in voting:quote:Forgiving student debt may not be a panacea for Biden and Democrats’ young voter woes, but it ranks high on the list of priorities for that voting bloc. Tom Bonier, chief executive of the Democratic data firm TargetSmart, said that last year’s elections in New Jersey, Virginia and polling all point toward depressed youth turnout come November. From a story about Biden dicking around on forgiving student-loan debt, and how that might affect future elections. Another story linked from that one, on the pressure from the loan industry to resume payments: quote:SoFi, one of the largest student refinance companies, told investors earlier this month that the Biden administration’s last extension of the payment freeze in December was expected to reduce the company’s profits by $20 million to $25 million in the first quarter of this year. [willa note: And, of course, there's the bad optics of continuing forbearance: quote:Lobbyists for SoFi have separately circulated a two-page document to congressional offices titled, “Back to Normal Means Ending the Student Loan Payment Pause.” Hmm, who will have the upper hand here? Holders of the largest category of consumer debt in the country, or the FIRE lobbyists who are the lifeblood of our politicians' campaigns? 
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Willa Rogers posted:Someone (I think Leon) pointed out in the last CE thread that McAuliffe lost the Virginia race last year bc of olds' voting. Turns out that was bc youngs dropped off in voting: the Virginia Model turning out to be 'tell younger voters you'll do things for them, once in power tell them to eat poo poo and gently caress off, then be shocked when they don't vote for you' does put a neat little bow on that dumb chapter of our history
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"Not forcing younger people to restart their student loan payments is helping drive inflation!" is one hell of a take 
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the Virginia Model turning out to be 'tell younger voters you'll do things for them, once in power tell them to eat poo poo and gently caress off, then be shocked when they don't vote for you' does put a neat little bow on that dumb chapter of our history Could you give some examples of this pattern? I’m not familiar enough with Northam’s term to know exactly what you’re talking about. What did VA Dems promise young voters and how did they tell them to gently caress off? (Genuine question.)
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It's kind of amazing that the Democratic Party has openly identified that a.) obtaining the Millennial vote is crucial to winning elections and b.) have identified that pressure from student loans is single biggest issue affecting that group and are still dead set on NOT attracting this crucial voting block by addressing their most pressing issue. Obviously it's because of lobbyists, but it's still baffling to me they're willing to march towards failure so long as the money keeps coming in. 
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Mellow Seas posted:Could you give some examples of this pattern? I’m not familiar enough with Northam’s term to know exactly what you’re talking about. What did VA Dems promise young voters and how did they tell them to gently caress off? (Genuine question.) the big one is minimum wage; miraculously while they had control of state government nobody was ever able to get around to scheduling a vote on increasing it then that Lee Carter rear end in a top hat made a show out of scheduling a vote on whether or not they should vote on it and the Virginia democratic party made a great show of saying 'no, gently caress off, we do not want to raise the minimum wage'
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Velocity Raptor posted:It's kind of amazing that the Democratic Party has openly identified that a.) obtaining the Millennial vote is crucial to winning elections and b.) have identified that pressure from student loans is single biggest issue affecting that group and are still dead set on NOT attracting this crucial voting block by addressing their most pressing issue. There's lots of behaviors exhibited by the Democrat Party that can only be interpreted as some variation of: "Fundraising is easier when we aren't in power". If money is their north star, why would we ever rely on them to be an effective counter to the GOP's creeping fascism.
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Lib and let die posted:If companies like Apple have no problem "soft sanctioning" Russia in a way that actually hurts the average Russian worker that has less power over their government than we do here in the US more than they hurt that maligned government itself, they should be willing to do the same in Texas and Florida until the trans panic and don't say gay bills are overturned. Speaking of which, the Florida Dem Party, in its quest to maintain the title of worst Dem state party in the country (among some stiff competition, mind you), initially scheduled its main annual fundraiser at a Disney property & announced it on Monday, before the party's LGBTQ caucus convinced them otherwise. And good old Charlie Crist, renowned for his strong stances & non-equivocating statements, had this to say: quote:Rep. Charlie Crist (D-Fla.) tweeted that “it’s prudent the party consider other options” while Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried called on others in the party to boycott the event.
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It's also interesting in that I remember one of the arguments that Biden would extend the moratorium and/or do some forgiveness was that there's no lobby to make people pay federally owned loans because it's the government collecting the interest not the banks. But turns out there is a lobby because you have all these predatory companies lurking around sucking money off the system from servicers to contractors to lenders and whoops can't suck out those sweet profits off the exploitation if the government puts the exploitation on pause Perusing Wikipedia, SoFi's model seems to be locating the lowest risk students and offering them better rates than the government rate to snap up the least risky borrowers, so it makes sense that an interest moratorium would cut into their business since government loans are currently charging 0%
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the big one is minimum wage; miraculously while they had control of state government nobody was ever able to get around to scheduling a vote on increasing it I think you are thinking of Right to Work. That was the issue where Lee got the local unions, DSA, and Democratic establishment mad at him. Virginia passed a minimum wage increase that is scheduled to further increase each year for the next few years. Cancelling the subsequent raises is one of the things that Youngkin and the new House Republican majority have as part of their "Get Virginia Back to Work" plan. The original bill passed in 2020 and the repeal passed a few months ago, but it failed because there is a 1-vote Democratic majority in the state Senate that voted down the repeal.
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Bishyaler posted:There's lots of behaviors exhibited by the Democrat Party that can only be interpreted as some variation of: "Fundraising is easier when we aren't in power". there are two honest answers to this question: desperation on the lower end, and fandom on the higher end. there have always been people who will turn presidents into weird celebrity totems, but one of the increasingly worrying things is watching the process sink down to lower and lesser politicians in a world where no politician can offer you anything material, what can you expect of a campaign other than it provides you an entertaining character to root for.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I think you are thinking of Right to Work. That was the issue where Lee got the local unions, DSA, and Democratic establishment mad at him.. gently caress, so I was! pretty sure that he'd managed to piss off everyone beforehand and the right to work stunt was him trying an unsuccessful Hail Mary to save his political career, but it was convenient for both him and his enemies to say 'yup, it's the right to work thing that's why Lee's on the outs, and nothing else he's done'
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Mellow Seas posted:Could you give some examples of this pattern? I’m not familiar enough with Northam’s term to know exactly what you’re talking about. What did VA Dems promise young voters and how did they tell them to gently caress off? (Genuine question.) I mean, it should be obvious that McAuliffe would've done better among young voters had he announced that his party was responsible for relieving student debt than he did campaigning alongside limp conservative noodle Bill Kristol. The state parties, although it might appear otherwise, do not exist in a non-national vacuum, and touting what's going on in D.C. when the party holds the presidency and both houses of Congress would be a no-brainer under an effective majority, especially when it comes to executive actions for which the rotating-villain excuses can't be trotted out.
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VitalSigns posted:It's also interesting in that I remember one of the arguments that Biden would extend the moratorium and/or do some forgiveness was that there's no lobby to make people pay federally owned loans because it's the government collecting the interest not the banks. This quote from the story tickled me, bc it shows the irony of revolving-door politics: quote:The group is led by Garry Reeder, who was chief of staff to Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Rich Cordray during the Obama administration. Cordray, who is now the Biden administration’s student aid chief, is overseeing the Education Department’s plans to restart federal student loan payments. Reminds me of how Marilyn Tavenner, head of CMS under Obama, left that job to head the insurance lobby group America's Health Insurance Plans. eta: And of course the lobbyists are using means-testing as a bargaining chip, secure in the knowledge that poorer debtors aren't their cup of tea since they're riskier for private-loan offerings, and savvily aiming toward the liberal sweet spot of providing relief for only the most "deserving." Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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The KBJ hearings seem to be going pretty normally.quote:Tillis: I want you to take a position on adding justices to court. You appeared at events hosted by radical groups that want to expand the Supreme Court, but you say that you won't address your personal opinion on the matter because it is a "political" matter. This isn't even an "I can't recall" situation. You are just not telling this committee. On trans issues: quote:Blackburn: How can you make rulings on the rights of women and deciding who is or is not a woman when you are not a biologist and therefor could not define a woman? https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1506450993801842689 https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1506635233415897100 quote:Graham: You gave child rapists sentences that would result in them getting released from prison at some point and advocated for mandatory reviews of life sentences. I think most Americans would agree that, at the very least, they should be dying in prison and not out on the streets again. quote:Hawley: You consistently gave child predators a lower sentence than prosecutors wanted. Do you think you know better than them? I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around it. quote:Graham: What faith are you by the way?” quote:Cornyn: You have called Former President George W. Bush and Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "war criminals" in past speeches. Why would you do that? It seems so out of character. https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1506383092000464904 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:hawley finds the real victim of child pornography, himself The projection is eternal, much like Ted Cruz's obsession with it, yet his mysterious friendship with a child pornographer being a non-issue https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1506649831107809282?s=20&t=d34cDzFxbhOCGp36G9nYQw
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The KBJ hearings seem to be going pretty normally. Marsha Blackburn is also not a biologist yet has no problem voting against LGBT protection legislation as if she can somehow define genders and sexual orientation CommieGIR posted:The projection is eternal, much like Ted Cruz's obsession with it, yet his mysterious friendship with a child pornographer being a non-issue Ted Cruz, unsurprisingly, does not think Josh Duggar should've been executed without due process.
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Why do people here hate Lee Carter now? Why is he an “rear end in a top hat”?Mellow Seas posted:Could you give some examples of this pattern? I’m not familiar enough with Northam’s term to know exactly what you’re talking about. What did VA Dems promise young voters and how did they tell them to gently caress off? (Genuine question.) Yeah same here. Knowing they did a minimum wage increase sounds significant to me.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why do people here hate Lee Carter now? Why is he an “rear end in a top hat”? He did an anti  by forcing the state congress to vote on a bill for medicare for all, or maybe it was a minimum wage bill, either way, it was a wildly popular "left" thing that he forced a vote on, before other bills that had been stalled in the state house for years.That's it. That's the controversy.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why do people here hate Lee Carter now? Why is he an “rear end in a top hat”? I legitimately still don't know why the local unions and DSA decided he was an rear end in a top hat. The issue they cited was that he turned right to work repeal into a selfish self-promotion thing for his Gubernatorial run that he knew wouldn't pass anyway and made sure it wouldn't get a vote. But, the bill was dead in committee for multiple years, so its not like it was on the verge of passing and he made it a joke. The main thing other elected office holders were mad about was that he "messed up the legislative calendar" by trying to force a vote for something that wasn't going to pass and didn't tell anyone beforehand, so nobody was prepared and they had to delay votes on other things and he "disrespected" his colleagues by not warning anyone and they voted it down 83-13.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why do people here hate Lee Carter now? Why is he an “rear end in a top hat”? Not a Virginian but iirc he's way too online and spent a lot of time getting into Twitter beefs, late-night tweeting about his previous marriage, stuff like that. And as mentioned he pissed off a lot of the activists, labor unions, and DSA that got him elected by trying to force a vote in the VA legislature. Many groups viewed it as a stunt that put optics ahead of actual policy during a period when Dems were pushing through a lot of pretty good stuff. edit: and yeah he tried to run for Governor and at that point didn't have much support, lost reelection.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Cornyn: You have called Former President George W. Bush and Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "war criminals" in past speeches. Why would you do that? It seems so out of character. I especially hate this horseshit. Yeah, John - they were loving war criminals. They ordered war crimes and then commissioned bullshit legal memos to say they weren't actually war crimes. They should have been delivered in chains to The Hague, and one day I hope they will be. There you go, Senator.
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