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Tree Dude posted:A highlight of listening to these older KF episodes has been the investigation into when Alex went from being his regular terrible self to being fully trump-pilled insane. I'm up into the 200s. You're in for some poo poo.
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InfoWars is generally aware of Knowledge Fight, or at least parts thereof. In some of the early days of the podcast, they noticed an InfoWars producer was following them on Twitter. After the NYT story about them, one of Alex's lackeys spent some time attacking them on air. They only had the NYT story to go on, and even then, they followed Alex's style of only reading the headline, making a story up based on that headline, and then talking about that made-up story while refusing to engage with the actual story any further. KF's response was to point at it and laugh. They then ignored it, because it wasn't Alex doing it, and thus it was too boring to be worth their attention. Even if Alex did respond, there would be no real difference. As we've seen in the recent episodes, Alex is generally a bad debater who can only win using Gishgalloping, active misdirection, and generally yelling over people. Dan and Jordan have been quite clear that there is "no point in actually talking to Alex," for that reason at least. It is logistically impossible to have anything approaching genuine conversation with Alex. Even if Knowledge Fight were to become an object of Alex's narcissistic rage, it would still be a one-sided conversation that Dan and Jordan are under no obligation to entertain. It is my opinion that Alex is nothing more than an object of study. I think Dan and Jordan would agree with that assessment. It is also worth noting that in the Sandy Hook book that NYT writer published, she said that there were an utterly bizarre amount of media at the Texas-based court hearings aside from her, including an HBO documentary crew. KF is far from the only non-InfoWars thing interested in Alex right now. If I had to guess, based on everything we know about modern-day Alex, it is probably impossible for him to know anything of substance about Knowledge Fight, at least for anything beyond a nebulous sense that KF exists. Between managing what is left of his company, figuring out the content production schedules for up to 4 hours of syndicated content for five to six days a week, actually filming that content, dealing with the multiple court cases, and then doing the barest minimum to attend to his family and private life... Alex probably genuinely does not have the time to listen to a podcast, much less at 600 episodes. He is genuinely too busy. Unless there is content in it, which Dan and Jordan would not provide, Alex can't spare the time for it. Even when Lenny Pozner was asking Alex to stop using his dead son as a prop for his agenda, Alex made it very clear that the only way he would even look at Pozner in the face was if he was recording his show at the same time.
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I think Alex is cunning enough to know that advertising a show that debunks him step by step is incredibly dangerous to him and doesn't want to bring any more attention to them
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I think Alex is cunning enough to know that advertising a show that debunks him step by step is incredibly dangerous to him and doesn't want to bring any more attention to them It's this. Almost all of his "feuds" are with people where he's already thoroughly poisoned the well. He's safe taking potshots at CNN and New York Times reporters because his followers already believe these are the MAINSTREAM MEDIA and primed to never even look at what they're saying and to automatically disregard any accidental exposure. He can't be assured of the same level of automatic defences being put up if his followers end up at Knowledge Fight. It also really doesn't help his particular style of reportage that KF don't do headlines for him to shout at - to actually give him some ammunition he'd actually have to listen for a bit and that's not a productive use of his time. Also - probably coincidentally but maybe not - the format of Knowledge Fight is much more dangerous to Alex Jones than any slickly-edited 5 minute video or 10,000 word op-ed. The impression you get from those is "Okay Alex was wrong on *this particular thing* but I'm sure there were loads of other times he was right", because most people consume Infowars passively, in the background, never really actually fully engaging with it but just coming away with impressions with selection bias doing a lot of the work when something very vaguely like one of his predictions actually happens. When Russia rolled into Ukraine a lot of his listeners would have been like "Hey, Alex was predicting wars for ages, he was right again" without remembering that was war with China and he was actually denying predictions of war in Ukraine. KF - just by sheer amount of material - really does strip away that illusion, and the fact that it can easily be consumed in exactly the same passive, background way as Infowars means you just come away with the memory of "Huh, Alex Jones really isn't right about *anything*, is he?". I don't know if Jones' lizard brain grasps this, but there's just no advantage for him in engaging with them at all.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also - probably coincidentally but maybe not - the format of Knowledge Fight is much more dangerous to Alex Jones than any slickly-edited 5 minute video or 10,000 word op-ed It's basically the thesis of the podcast.
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Jordan kind of wears on me sometimes, he's so eager to talk talk talk but he's never been funnier than when he's yelling and cheering for Ayers in that debate ep. In fact he stopped doing the yelling in the background thing in recent eps, or is just me. Either way very funny bit.
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They don't have guests often but they've lined up an appearance by the Literal Christian Devil for it.
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That Harrison Smith guy is spectacularly un-charming isn’t he? He makes Alex sound profound.
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BigglesSWE posted:That Harrison Smith guy is spectacularly un-charming isn’t he? He makes Alex sound profound. He was the guy celebrating and saying the patriots have seized the government when 1/6 was happening.
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BigglesSWE posted:That Harrison Smith guy is spectacularly un-charming isn’t he? He makes Alex sound profound. All of the second-string Infowars presenters have that annoying debate nerd feel to their voice, the weirdly flat "DESTROY Liberals with FACTS and LOGIC" affect of Ben Shapiro etc. I'm not sure if it's literally that *everybody* younger than Jones in right-wing media sounds that way because the way into RWM for millennials is and was the 3-hour Youtube video once a month rather than 4 live hours a day on AM radio like Jones did, or if Jones is just scared of having anyone capable of doing his schtick around, but I can't think of any RWM figure born after 1980 who has that hellfire and brimstone style.
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Jones started out doing a Rush Limbaugh impression, and as much as Rush was garbage, he knew how to do radio. The Ben Shapiro types don't. Also Jones has occasional shreds of humanity within the shambling mass of his bullshit. The new generation types like Shapiro are automatons designed from birth to spit talking points. There's no person in there, nothing to relate to.
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Grand Fromage posted:Jones started out doing a Rush Limbaugh impression, and as much as Rush was garbage, he knew how to do radio. The Ben Shapiro types don't. Also Jones has occasional shreds of humanity within the shambling mass of his bullshit. The new generation types like Shapiro are automatons designed from birth to spit talking points. There's no person in there, nothing to relate to. This is a good point. I do remember when Smith was narrating Jan 6th that even when he was riding that fascist boner on air, he sounded completely damp and boring. If these schmucks saw the Hindenburg explode in front of them, they’d need a lot more than a slightly sped up voice to appear excited.
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I think there's a religious analogy where the sidekicks are akin to ministers for Alex's prophecy. They're diligent, uncreative, and rarely inspiring, but Alex brings the Truth and testifies against reality. But it's a factor of any cronyism - the underlings are always incompetent.
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Didn't he say he was sick on the latest episode? I seem to recall they speculating if it were covid (again)
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It turns out it's not a good idea to be broadcasting live (likely from your studio despite claiming you're at home) while your lawyer is claiming you're too sick to do a deposition. https://twitter.com/drewlarson_news/status/1506352710479753220 Piell fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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If Alex Jones actually goes to jail over contempt of court I am going to die laughing. Just half assing his way through life has taught Alex nothing about consequences.
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Mar 23, 2022 02:49
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There will be a lot of HIPPA talk in the upcoming days…
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BigglesSWE posted:That Harrison Smith guy is spectacularly un-charming isn’t he? He makes Alex sound profound. Harrison is absolutely a nazi but he's such a boring person, just unlistenably boring.
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How big did Alex say the Info Wars reach was while under oath at the last deposition (or at least the last one KF covered)? Was it 10% of the English speaking world?
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BigglesSWE posted:There will be a lot of HIPPA talk in the upcoming days… Is Dr. Marbles an actual medical doctor? Because I think HIPPA only applies to actual medical doctors and their patients.
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Tree Dude posted:How big did Alex say the Info Wars reach was while under oath at the last deposition (or at least the last one KF covered)? Was it 10% of the English speaking world? Yep, it was a spectacular own goal when trying to defend himself by saying that not many people would have heard him lying about Sandy Hook.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Is Dr. Marbles an actual medical doctor? Because I think HIPPA only applies to actual medical doctors and their patients. I wouldn’t know, I just know that a lot of angry chuds scream about HIPPA whenever they’re angry about something vaguely medical.
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Piell posted:It turns out it's not a good idea to be broadcasting live (likely from your studio despite claiming you're at home) while your lawyer is claiming you're too sick to do a deposition. "Dear Mr. Judge Alex cannot come to the deposition today as he is not well. Apologies for the handwriting, I have busted whichever hand I normally write with. Yours Sincerely. Alex's Doctor"
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Mar 23, 2022 11:10
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Marsupial Ape posted:If Alex Jones actually goes to jail over contempt of court I am going to die laughing. Just half assing his way through life has taught Alex nothing about consequences. The Sandy Hook court case is in a civil court, not a criminal court. The question to ask here is if a civil court can levy a contempt of court charge in the same way that a criminal court can. Being put under oath in a civil court is already something that doesn't seem to affect Alex much, and given at least two of the Sandy Hook cases are already in default judgement territory... If contempt of court is a thing that can even happen here, it probably would've happened already. It would be funny if Alex did go to jail over this. I just don't think it is within the given remit. EDIT: Reading into this, the trail this stunt is being pulled on is the one where the victim's families are being presented by Koskoff, Koskoff, & Bieder, which is not the firm that Mark Bankston is from. We're probably not going to learn the details of this from a firsthand account on the show. Morroque fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Morroque posted:The Sandy Hook court case is in a civil court, not a criminal court. The question to ask here is if a civil court can levy a contempt of court charge in the same way that a criminal court can. Being put under oath in a civil court is already something that doesn't seem to affect Alex much, and given at least two of the Sandy Hook cases are already in default judgement territory... If contempt of court is a thing that can even happen here, it probably would've happened already. Contempt of court applies in any court (at least in England and Wales, and of course the US's legal system is heavily based on that). I'd assume civil judges are less inclined to send people to prison than their criminal counterparts, though.
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Lol he was actually broadcasting from his studio (and also refused to show up to his deposition today) quote:Far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has breached a court order by failing to show up for a deposition in a lawsuit over his false claims about the Sandy Hook massacre, after a judge rebuffed claims that he was too sick to appear. Piell fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Dan implied a Wacky Wednesday for this week, hoping Project Camelot had a good episode. Episodes almost always drop at midnight, so if it was going to come out as planned, it would already be out.
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Sometimes they drop a half hour or so before midnight, which means that thanks to my bad sleep hygiene I end up listening before I go to bed. Then the next day at work I think, "Oh! It's Monday! That means new Knowledge Fight!!" I get very excited until I realize that I bamboozled myself via my own terrible memory.
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Jokes is crazy, but he isn’t stupid. There is no way he didn’t know he wasn’t going to get caught broadcasting while he was supposed to be in court. As I see it, this is basically a big “gently caress you” to the court. I hope the judge sees it that way too!
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MrMojok posted:but he isn’t stupid. Objection, assuming facts not in evidence.
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Everett False posted:Sometimes they drop a half hour or so before midnight, which means that thanks to my bad sleep hygiene I end up listening before I go to bed. Then the next day at work I think, "Oh! It's Monday! That means new Knowledge Fight!!" I work 2nd shift and I get to listen on the drive home as soon as a new episode drops. MrMojok posted:Jokes is crazy, but he isn’t stupid. There is no way he didn’t know he wasn’t going to get caught broadcasting while he was supposed to be in court. Alex Jones is a loving ding dong. Dumb gently caress probably thought he had 'cracked the code' with having Dr. Marbles write him a sick note.
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