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Kalit posted:Are you insinuating that Lee Carter got things done? Based on how things turned out for him, it seemed like he was a giant rear end in a top hat and ineffective. Which is evidence of conspiracy? Because that was my larger point, people are stumbling into conspiracy brain with little evidence.
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Lib and let die posted:Our leadership is simultaneously asleep at the wheel, while ramming lines off the 8-track catching air on hills, blasting metallica, and has a trunk full of C4 on a hair loving trigger. That sounds pretty badass ngl
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WaPo and NYT articles with more detail and context on the massive spike in alcohol-related deaths in the U.S. tl;dr - The upward trend of alcohol-related deaths had been occurring before the pandemic and wasn't caused by the pandemic, but really accelerated and spiked during the pandemic. - Previously, alcohol-related deaths had been on a steady climb of about 3% per year every year in the last decade. But, it was an astronomical 26% increase in 2020. - Even though there were almost no cars on the road and bars were closed for most of 2020, there were more than 11,000 alcohol-related traffic deaths in 2020. - Full data for 2021 isn't available yet, but preliminary data indicates that alcohol-related deaths remained around the high reached in 2020. - Some scientists think this may be a "new normal" and alcohol-related deaths won't start to decrease until consumption goes down. - Although consumption among the youth has declined, it has been steadily increasing - both in amount of people drinking and the total amount of drinks they average per week - for the last 15 years and doesn't show signs of declining. - Alcohol sales in the U.S. in the last two years have set a record. 1968 is the only year with a larger annual increase in alcohol sales. - Even before the pandemic, few people with alcohol problems got treatment. It generally isn't viewed as a problem until law enforcement or major health issues become involved. But, even if everyone with alcohol-related issues did want to get treatment, that there isn't capacity for it anyway. quote:Almost a million people in the United States have died of Covid-19 in the past two years, but the full impact of the pandemic’s collateral damage is still being tallied. Now a new study reports that the number of Americans who died of alcohol-related causes increased precipitously during the first year of the pandemic, as routines were disrupted, support networks frayed and treatment was delayed. quote:Michael Barnett, assistant professor of health policy and management at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said the coronavirus pandemic did not create many new social problems. It magnified the ones some people were struggling with — social isolation, financial uncertainty, the burden of mental illness with not enough available treatment, he said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/03/23/alcohol-related-deaths-pandemic/ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/health/alcohol-deaths-covid.html
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RBA Starblade posted:That sounds pretty badass ngl I'd be willing to accept an ascendency of Dr Rockso to the halls of power, instead of a foreign mercy invasion.
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Yeah, the lack of "access to affordable" treatment was a factor in the spike in alcohol-related deaths, as was the delay of treatment for alcohol-related conditions like liver disease & mental illness. This would be a good time to use the study as a reason to deschedule cannabis, given other studies that I believe showed a drop in alcohol abuse in states that went legal, or to pass any legislation that allows legal states' dispensaries to operate within the federal banking system instead of continuing to operate as a criminal banking cartel & required to deal with cash. eta: The NYT story also mentioned relapses from sober people who couldn't attend in-person 12-step meetings as a factor, which makes sense.
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Kalit posted:It’s weird for a number of unions to not support the incumbent candidate who’s supposedly the most pro-union option Not entirely. Unions are great, but it is quite honestly a big problem that they are made up of apparatus that will back candidates that aren't the best for the members, but are the best that they can think they can get away with right now. This is not to comment on Lee Carters own status (I don't know the bloke from Adam to be quite honest) but it is vital that you look at which union groups and which sector of unions are supporting certain candidates. Police unions are the obvious one to watch in this instance of course, but we should discount them more generally. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Lib and let die posted:Don't care who it is. Let Canada or Mexico, or hell, the asshokes in England come and take us over. Our leadership is simultaneously asleep at the wheel, while ramming lines off the 8-track catching air on hills, blasting metallica, and has a trunk full of C4 on a hair loving trigger. Can't stop with the politicians, have to do something about their oligarch bosses. I hear seizing their assets is in vogue.
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Bishyaler posted:Cool reductionist speedrun! How about we start acknowledging that you're completely and utterly exaggerating the presence of neo-nazis in Ukraine? Because this is not the first time this was pointed to you? "Billions of dollars of weapons to neo-nazis" wow how many Nazis are there in Ukrainian forces? Because unless they're flying fighter planes, it is definitely going to have to be a lot for them to have billions of dollars of weapons. Lib and let die posted:Putin, Xi, I don't give a gently caress at this point. Yes, final answer, Regis. The American exceptionalism in believing that things possibly can't be worse anywhere else under anybody else is amazing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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DarkCrawler posted:How about we start acknowledging that you're completely and utterly exaggerating the presence of neo-nazis in Ukraine? Because this is not the first time this was pointed to you? "Billions of dollars of weapons to neo-nazis" wow how many Nazis are there in Ukrainian forces? Because unless they're flying fighter planes, it is definitely going to have to be a lot for them to have billions of dollars of weapons. I think those Roma women being tied to flagpoles for “looting” might disagree about how widespread of a problem Nazis are there.
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DarkCrawler posted:How about we start acknowledging that you're completely and utterly exaggerating the presence of neo-nazis in Ukraine? Because this is not the first time this was pointed to you? "Billions of dollars of weapons to neo-nazis" wow how many Nazis are there in Ukrainian forces? Because unless they're flying fighter plans, it is definitely going to have to be a lot for them to have billions of dollars of weapons. "Its only Azov" doesn't really cut the mustard when we know they've been drawing government paychecks for 8 years. Know what's a really good recruiting tool? Facing an existential threat like an invasion, having your leadership interviewed and platformed on CNN, all while the rest of the liberal media softens your image from extremists to plucky underdogs.
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It's going to be great when the mods give a bunch of sixers to the people who didn't burst in to start another insane derail about Ukraine.
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Gumball Gumption posted:It's going to be great when the mods give a bunch of sixers to the people who didn't burst in to start another insane derail about Ukraine. Yeah I don't want to backseat mod, but there are whole threads in multiple places for this stuff. Alongside that I don't want to delve too deep into trying to tell the future, but have there been any indications of what might occur post loss of the houses under the democrats? Can things be done via executive order then?
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Not the thread to discuss Azov or Ukraine, thanks
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Josef bugman posted:Yeah I don't want to backseat mod, but there are whole threads in multiple places for this stuff. Things can be done by executive order now. DarkCrawler posted:The American exceptionalism in believing that things possibly can't be worse anywhere else under anybody else is amazing. Sincere question: Is there another country in the world with as bizarre of a "healthcare system" as ours? Because I'm inclined to believe that an invasion by another country is the only way we'll get single-payer before the several decades from now that Dems have proclaimed to be a pragmatic & reasonable timeline. eta: Yesterday was the 12th anniversary of the signing of the "Affordable" "Care" Act, yet premiums have doubled, out-of-pocket costs have tripled, and more people than ever before are avoiding seeking medical help (including pharmaceuticals) because of the prohibitive expenses of doing so. Even a privatized "public option" is a bridge too far, as is lowering the eligibility age for Medicare. vvv Yes; you can find a press release from the CPC stating that this is the case. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Is an executive action the same thing as an executive order?
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Willa Rogers posted:
As bizarre? No. Worse or no healthcare systems? Absolutely.
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Willa Rogers posted:Sincere question: Is there another country in the world with as bizarre of a "healthcare system" as ours? The U.S. is the only OECD country without a form of universal healthcare. Israel and the Netherlands have universal private systems that are basically national Obamacare. But, no other (major) country has anything similar to the general American healthcare system.
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No other OECD country also has as pants-on-head moronic system of voting or government as the United States so I mean a bizarre healthcare (or education, policing, etc.) system is expected. UK is probably the only one that comes close. Turns out that giving fascist rurals hideous extra voting power: not the path to success.
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Josef bugman posted:Not entirely. Unions are great, but it is quite honestly a big problem that they are made up of apparatus that will back candidates that aren't the best for the members, but are the best that they can think they can get away with right now. This is not to comment on Lee Carters own status (I don't know the bloke from Adam to be quite honest) but it is vital that you look at which union groups and which sector of unions are supporting certain candidates. Police unions are the obvious one to watch in this instance of course, but we should discount them more generally. While I agree overall, that’s why I included a couple of keywords in my post. I mentioned “incumbent” to demonstrate that the politician is already a viable/realistic candidate. And I mentioned “a number of unions” to demonstrate it’s not just 1 or 2 and to insinuate it’s a variety of different unions. And both of these are 100% applicable in the specific case of Carter.
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Willa Rogers posted:Things can be done by executive order now. Invasion or revolution. You won't get single-payer decades from now either because the whole system was built to shut down things which adversely impact the capitalist class. Just like the Biden admin defending the Trump policy to allow predatory lending, except helping the wealthy ghouls is done quietly where Republicans would be advertising that people should be able to take their own risks.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:WaPo and NYT articles with more detail and context on the massive spike in alcohol-related deaths in the U.S. in the big picture, I think this is rooted in similar causes as the opioid epidemic - worsening material conditions drive people to abuse drugs. opioid Rx are down 45% compared with a decade prior but fatal overdoses set records every coming year.
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DarkCrawler posted:As bizarre? No. Worse or no healthcare systems? Absolutely. This is technically true. The U.S. doesn't have the worst healthcare outcomes in the world (it typically ranks ~18th out of 193), but a lot of that is due to the fact that the U.S. is wealthy and can coast on that. Also, most people are covered through the weird patchwork of public and employer-provided systems. But, the U.S. has very few guardrails compared to other countries, so despite the fact that it "works" for most people most of the time, the bottom 10-15% of the population or people who run into one of the instances where it doesn't "work most of the time" can fall into a pit that would be almost impossible to fall into in other countries. The fact that the U.S. is the richest country in the world and #1 in many individual financial/quality of life indicators, but #18 on healthcare is indicative that it is severely underperforming relative to its capacity. It's not "the worst" healthcare system in the world, but it is pretty bad in context. "U.S. healthcare is better than nearly 90% of other countries" and "U.S. healthcare is a wildly inefficient disaster" are both technically correct, but don't really mean anything without context of how rich the U.S. is and how poorly it performs relative to other countries.
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Bishyaler posted:You won't get single-payer decades from now either because the whole system was built to shut down things which adversely impact the capitalist class. I quite like the succinctness of this, describing a system which can immediately priority-board the passage of bills instantly materializing trillions of dollars to pay off megacorporations' last five years of stock buybacks, but which instantaneously locks up like an engine submerged in molasses when it is even conceptually tasked with providing workable public good systems that would undercut the presence of price-inflated private monopolies and monopsonies
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Bishyaler posted:Invasion or revolution. You won't get single-payer decades from now either because the whole system was built to shut down things which adversely impact the capitalist class. Just like the Biden admin defending the Trump policy to allow predatory lending, except helping the wealthy ghouls is done quietly where Republicans would be advertising that people should be able to take their own risks. Yeah; my favorite example of this is how Biden continued Trump's program of further privatizing Medicare with its direct-contracting experiment but Biden gave it a new name & branded it as an equity program, lol.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:WaPo and NYT articles with more detail and context on the massive spike in alcohol-related deaths in the U.S. Extra scary thing to consider with this is the new studies confirming pretty much any alcohol is bad for you and causes damage to your brain tissue. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/18/any-amount-of-alcohol-consumption-harmful-to-the-brain-finds-study Edit: And just personally as someone who never drank much and recently cut it all out I'm always taken aback by how accepted functional alcoholism is as a way to self medicate. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Gumball Gumption posted:Extra scary thing to consider with this is the new studies confirming pretty much any alcohol is bad for you and causes damage to your brain tissue. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/18/any-amount-of-alcohol-consumption-harmful-to-the-brain-finds-study Nice knowing you guys (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gumball Gumption posted:Extra scary thing to consider with this is the new studies confirming pretty much any alcohol is bad for you and causes damage to your brain tissue. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/18/any-amount-of-alcohol-consumption-harmful-to-the-brain-finds-study I can't remember who said it, but someone had a quote about how if alcohol were invented today, it would be immediately banned and the news reports would say "New drug is highly addictive, is one of the top 10 causes of death, causes 6 different types of cancer, kills thousands on the road each year, heightens aggression, and can be made in your basement with just simple plants!"
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Bishyaler posted:Nice knowing you guys Functional alcoholism and whatever it is that's giving all of us prostate cancer really young is going to be our generation's version of leaded gas. Gen Z gets to have their blood be 99% microplastic.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Functional alcoholism and whatever it is that's giving all of us prostate cancer really young is going to be our generation's version of leaded gas. Gen Z gets to have their blood be 99% microplastic. I thought Millennials were screwed over with respect to microplastics too.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I thought Millennials were screwed over with respect to microplastics too. I thought basically all of Earth was at this point. Gumball Gumption posted:Functional alcoholism and whatever it is that's giving all of us prostate cancer really young is going to be our generation's version of leaded gas. Gen Z gets to have their blood be 99% microplastic. That's not true - there's also heart disease ready to screw us. e: Oh you don't mean just to kill us RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Large swathes of this list are either already being done, already done, not doable by executive order or action, or so vague as to be unclear what can be done. I started to go through it with the IRS material, but it's not worth the time.
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Willa Rogers posted:
Bit of a late reply, but the latter. You posted about McAuliffe polling, youth vote, and student loans. The general behavior of Virginia Dems was mentioned and then this began discussion of Lee Carter. The reason I brought up your post was to circle back to what originally started discussion of Lee Carter--it was a tangent from your post on McAuliffe and student loans. I wanted people to wrap up discussion of Carter with any final thoughts or information that haven't been covered and return to the initial point of derail (if they want). Your post was completely within bounds and I wasn't calling it out, it was just the point where discussion of Carter branched off.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I can't remember who said it, but someone had a quote about how if alcohol were invented today, it would be immediately banned and the news reports would say "New drug is highly addictive, is one of the top 10 causes of death, causes 6 different types of cancer, kills thousands on the road each year, heightens aggression, and can be made in your basement with just simple plants!" As a med student, I can see that. It'd be easier to list the conditions that do NOT have a blurb at the end of the pathology book saying "by the way, alcohol use really worsens this and/or messes with the treatment". Smoking may be more directly harmful, but it still doesn't have the absurd organic reach and general impairment that alcohol produces. My toxicology books have the "small amounts can bring measurable benefits to cardio" bit, but....you can pretty much get the same result from drinking fresh grape juice.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I thought Millennials were screwed over with respect to microplastics too. Yeah but they will have it even worse. I mean really anything that ever exists on earth again will probably have to live with microplastics.
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Kalit posted:
It's not that uncommon For the same reason Carter was expected to 'just get along' and stop really trying to repeal Right-To-Work in order to protect the careers of party members who are privately pro-RtW, unions often face a choice between supporting the most pro-labor candidate in primaries and not pissing off party bigwigs whose good side the union needs to stay on to get anything done at all
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VitalSigns posted:It's not that uncommon It's also being used as a logical jumping point to argue that there must be fire to the second and third hand accounts of smoke which makes even less sense. I can't tell if Kalit is falling into a technically correct hole where they need to push back on the union comment or if they're pushing the union stuff to silently push the "and the rumors are all true". One is pretty chill and whatever, we're all nerds who need to be right. The other is very unchill.
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Discendo Vox posted:Large swathes of this list are either already being done, already done, not doable by executive order or action, or so vague as to be unclear what can be done. That's a heck of a claim there Which ones specifically are being done, and not in a squint-and-frame-it-just-right way
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Manager Hoyden posted:That's a heck of a claim there I provide some of the ones I did when I started trying to deal with it, but the reality is this is an absurd burden shift; dropping a list of nonspecific agenda asks and claiming the executive can unilaterally do all of them doesn't make it true.
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So none of them then (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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