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I know I shouldn't be shocked but seeing people flock to defend Will Smith committing a violent crime during the Oscars then getting a standing ovation an hour later is pretty nuts. His acceptance speech was basically him saying God told him to do it- just completely unhinged poo poo. Our culture is deeply, perhaps terminally sick. A lot of the same people cheering Smith would get the vapors at hitting someone for loudly advocating for genocide.
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I hope he at least did the gentlemanly thing and offered his wife first crack at Rock's face.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:21
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I know I shouldn't be shocked but seeing people flock to defend Will Smith committing a violent crime during the Oscars then getting a standing ovation an hour later is pretty nuts. His acceptance speech was basically him saying God told him to do it- just completely unhinged poo poo. Our culture is deeply, perhaps terminally sick. A lot of the same people cheering Smith would get the vapors at hitting someone for loudly advocating for genocide. It’s rich people business, you don’t have to care. They don’t give a poo poo about you, after all.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:22
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The LAPD says they won't be charging Smith with assault because Chris Rock declined to file a police report and "lack of evidence/victim cooperation." Even though it was broadcast on live TV and you don't need the victim to file a police report to charge someone with a crime. If Rock doesn't really care, then whatever (although I assume there is strong social pressure on him to not do anything and say it is fine), but just lol that the LAPD are apparently powerless to make a case with video evidence of the incident and the person who did the assault later admitted to it on live TV, because they didn't get a police report that night.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:28
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The LAPD says they won't be charging Smith with assault because Chris Rock declined to file a police report and "lack of evidence/victim cooperation." Even though it was broadcast on live TV and you don't need the victim to file a police report to charge someone with a crime. See last post, rich people business; they get to decide which laws apply, and the cops go along with it, right in front of all of us.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:30
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The LAPD says they won't be charging Smith with assault because Chris Rock declined to file a police report and "lack of evidence/victim cooperation." Even though it was broadcast on live TV and you don't need the victim to file a police report to charge someone with a crime. I can't think of any reason why someone like Chris Rock would decline to engage with the LAPD. Weird!
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Mar 28, 2022 15:31
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I know I shouldn't be shocked but seeing people flock to defend Will Smith committing a violent crime during the Oscars then getting a standing ovation an hour later is pretty nuts. His acceptance speech was basically him saying God told him to do it- just completely unhinged poo poo. Our culture is deeply, perhaps terminally sick. A lot of the same people cheering Smith would get the vapors at hitting someone for loudly advocating for genocide. Hitting people whose jokes punch down, people who mock others with disabilities, or advocate for genocide is okay actually.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:31
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Do you need to speak to the manager? See, if America’s defense budget being this high resulted in competency it’d be one thing. Whatever accounting is done to bribe or grease and spend on bullshit unnecessary equipment to line defense companies suck. Can’t even protect against russian internet trolls holding infrastructure hostage. And it can’t fix grifters and bad leaders wanting to do war in the Middle East leading to failures in Afghanistan, etc.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:32
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I'm very anti violence and I think what happened
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Mar 28, 2022 15:34
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Lib and let die posted:I can't think of any reason why someone like Chris Rock would decline to engage with the LAPD. Weird! He doesn't need to. It happened on live TV and the person who did the assault used their Oscar speech to say that god told him to do it to protect his family. The LAPD is just using that as a flimsy excuse that would never happen in another situation. It's just funny that the excuse was so low effort that they went with "not enough evidence of the incident broadcast on live TV and a police report hasn't been filed in the last 12 hours." It's just because Smith is a celebrity and there is a strong professional incentive for Rock and Smith to not make a big deal out of it.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:37
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Harold Fjord posted:I'm very anti violence and I think what happened Yeah, I'm having a hard time faulting Will's actions. Granted, Will himself (like many comedians/actors) also has a history of making jokes in poor taste, but this was personal for sure. Maybe punching down in jokes is bad?
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Mar 28, 2022 15:39
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I know I shouldn't be shocked but seeing people flock to defend Will Smith committing a violent crime during the Oscars then getting a standing ovation an hour later is pretty nuts. His acceptance speech was basically him saying God told him to do it- just completely unhinged poo poo. Our culture is deeply, perhaps terminally sick. A lot of the same people cheering Smith would get the vapors at hitting someone for loudly advocating for genocide. Lib and let die posted:I can't think of any reason why someone like Chris Rock would decline to engage with the LAPD. Weird! I gotta admit that for a while I found myself wondering what the perception would be if, instead of Chris Rock, the slappee was...oh....let's say Ben Stiller or Wil Farrell. Trying to think of a relatively well liked white comedian actor. A part of me thinks the narrative might have been a little different if you know what I'm saying. E: Also reading that Manchin stock poo poo and remain baffled why members of congress aren't forced to divest while they're in office. Well, not baffled so much as irritated and mad. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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Mar 28, 2022 15:39
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I think in any circumstance where someone insults someone else's wife, gets a solid smack, and everyone moves on, the cop should not be involved.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:39
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Bishyaler posted:Hitting people whose jokes punch down, people who mock others with disabilities, or advocate for genocide is okay actually. No it's really not and a tasteless joke about hair isn't in the same category as advocating for genocide. That a lot of people seemingly agree with you is the real problem. I don't really care about the slap itself. Rock wasn't hurt (he's got a real chin turns out) but the endless takes of "this hair joke justifies violence" is insane.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:39
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VitalSigns posted:This response is exactly why I posted it here, the only reason I know I'm not the only one asking and their it's not just me whining about "a little injustice" is because I've seen others ask here, for the benefit of other people who may also be asking and getting privately brushed off with lovely responses like this. Gonna eat the probe to agree with this. It needs to be looked at and hasn't been. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 28, 2022 15:39
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Harold Fjord posted:I'm very anti violence and I think what happened  also it's a good distraction from talking about CODA so heck in that regard I'm glad of it.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:40
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:No it's really not and a tasteless joke about hair isn't in the same category as advocating for genocide. That a lot of people seemingly agree with you is the real problem. No, mocking someone with a medical condition/disability isn't the same as advocating for genocide, but the first is how you build support for the second.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:42
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BiggerBoat posted:I gotta admit that for a while I found myself wondering what the perception would be if, instead of Chris Rock, the slappee was...oh....let's say Ben Stiller or Wil Farrell. Trying to think of a relatively well liked white comedian actor. A part of me thinks the narrative might have been a little different if you know what I'm saying. I can already hear the terrible right-wing jokes writing themselves. "You can dress those [redacted]s up in a nice suit but under that tux there's still a [redacted]!!" On a human side though If someone came for my wife over some medical poo poo she couldn't control, the only reason I wouldn't be trying to lay hand to face is because I'd be about 3 steps behind my wife, she don't take no poo poo like that. I think a lot of folks are trying to ascribe rational analysis to human emotion, which is...ya know...not rational.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:43
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Bishyaler posted:No, mocking someone with a medical condition/disability isn't the same as advocating for genocide, but the first is how you build support for the second. "Chris Rock making a G.I. Jane joke in 2022 about someone worth half a billion dollars is the first step towards genocide" is quite a take. Maybe making dated and lame jokes is bad, but also having someone worth half a billion punch someone for telling a joke and the police letting it go because they are famous is also bad?
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Mar 28, 2022 15:45
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:What is the over/under on how many days until the NYT publishes an Op-Ed about Will Smith proving that the creeping threat to free speech has moved off of college campuses and social media to the real world? the best future-take I've seen in the wild was "Why hasn't Will Smith been this angry at Russia?" which, honestly, will likely cross from parody to reality if it hasn't already.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:No it's really not and a tasteless joke about hair isn't in the same category as advocating for genocide. That a lot of people seemingly agree with you is the real problem. Oh, poo poo, do you have a list of medical conditions that you’re allowed to make fun of?
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Mar 28, 2022 15:46
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Willa Rogers posted:the best future-take I've seen in the wild was "Why hasn't Will Smith been this angry at Russia?" which, honestly, will likely cross from parody to reality if it hasn't already. I've already been seeing deranged takes by blue checkmarks trying to compare Will Smith to Putin so I am sure it is just a matter of time before the NYT or something unleashes an insanely bad thinkpiece.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:48
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Yeah I can't scold Will Smith for that. If somebody were mocking my partner's most personal insecurities / disabilities / differences right in front of both of us like that, well I'd boil over too and I'm not a particularly wrathful man to begin with. He didn't even hit Rock with a closed fist, that's pretty reserved of him. Sometimes you do in fact get hit after you start talking poo poo.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:49
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The LAPD says they won't be charging Smith with assault because Chris Rock declined to file a police report and "lack of evidence/victim cooperation." Even though it was broadcast on live TV and you don't need the victim to file a police report to charge someone with a crime. I mean, given their recalcitrance on charging monsters like Ed Buck & Harvey Weinstein until pressured publicly to do so--not to mention their sordid history on ignoring domestic assault (*cough*nicole simpson*cough*)--I wouldn't hold my breath. I reckon if Villanueva or any of the candidates for Garcetti's job make a stink about it they might reconsider, but probably not.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:52
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Srice posted:I've already been seeing deranged takes by blue checkmarks trying to compare Will Smith to Putin so I am sure it is just a matter of time before the NYT or something unleashes an insanely bad thinkpiece. If I was good at photoshop I'd put Will Smith in Putin's empty table slapping the air
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Mar 28, 2022 15:53
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:"Chris Rock making a G.I. Jane joke in 2022 about someone worth half a billion dollars is the first step towards genocide" is quite a take. The ADL has pretty clear guidelines on how this process works. She's been public about her medical condition, Chris chose to mock it on a national platform. https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of-hate.pdf
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Mar 28, 2022 15:53
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In hindsight Will Smith should have found an alternative to physical violence, but I also do not blame him for it. I mean that's just how these things are sometimes. In the end nobody seems to have been seriously hurt so I'm willing to just let it be what it was. Although a more robust apology would be a good idea.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:59
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I think we can all agree that Chris Rock seems like the piece of poo poo in this situation. If someone publicly made fun of my wife's immune disorder I would probably do the same thing, and i would end up looking like an rear end in a top hat like Smith does here. Either way it's stupid poo poo that distracts from important things like how the mods are keeping posters down  Willa Rogers posted:the best future-take I've seen in the wild was "Why hasn't Will Smith been this angry at Russia?" which, honestly, will likely cross from parody to reality if it hasn't already. Jesus https://twitter.com/MatthewdAncona/status/1508404748361285632
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Mar 28, 2022 16:07
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Will Smith laughed at the joke himself before Jada gave him the look. Then went on to give a speech about god telling him to protect his family. Calling a professional comedian making a joke about another celebrities hair 'punching down' is a bit of a stretch. She's not battling cancer here. If Rock had made a joke about another celebrities male pattern baldness no one would have batted an eye, nor should they have.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:11
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Bishyaler posted:No, mocking someone with a medical condition/disability isn't the same as advocating for genocide, but the first is how you build support for the second. Lol quoting this for posterity. Balding people are definitely next in line for the ovens, multimillionaire actors go in first. Smith's verbal outburst was defensible. Telling someone to loudly gently caress off if they're crossing a line is ok. Assaulting that person isn't, especially when they go up and claim God gave them permission to a standing ovation. tk posted:Oh, poo poo, do you have a list of medical conditions that you’re allowed to make fun of? No one, and I mean no one, is defending Rock's joke. Like among the millions of takes surrounding this, that is the one you will not see anywhere. What we adults are discussing is whether or not Smith was justified in physically assaulting someone for the joke(he wasn't). Let me know when you're ready to join that conversation. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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Mar 28, 2022 16:12
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bobua posted:Will Smith laughed at the joke himself before Jada gave him the look. Then went on to give a speech about god telling him to protect his family. It's a minor form of punching down. Alopecia is not exactly the same as male pattern baldness, and can be quite challenging to a person. It was a joke in poor taste, but ultimately not worth violence. Words could have handled it.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:14
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Sir Lemming posted:In hindsight Will Smith should have found an alternative to physical violence, but I also do not blame him for it. I mean that's just how these things are sometimes. In the end nobody seems to have been seriously hurt so I'm willing to just let it be what it was. Although a more robust apology would be a good idea. The comparison of this to some guy on the street taking a poo poo on your wife isn't apt. This is closer to going to a celebrity roast and not being able to take a joke. Its not a perfect comparison, but its much closer than the hypothetical rando making fun of your spouse.
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DHS/HHS plan to "review" the use of Title 42 at the border on March 30th and potentially end it sometime in April. Kelly is joining his fellow Arizona Senator in requesting that they not end Title 42 until they develop a comprehensive border and health plan to replace it. Both of them argue that the "Irregular Mass Migration Contingency Plan" that DHS has developed to replace Title 42 use at the border is not comprehensive enough and that they have not organized with or consulted local communities and elected officials. 16 Republicans also signed a similar letter. But, they can't directly do anything about it unless they pass new legislation. DHS didn't comment on either letter. https://twitter.com/rollcall/status/1508459062597455874 quote:Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Mark Kelly of Arizona urged President Joe Biden against lifting a public health directive used to close the border to asylum-seekers until the administration has a plan in place to process migrants’ claims. quote:Title 42 “should not be in effect indefinitely,” Kelly and Sinema said in their letter, noting the dangerous conditions to which the policy subjects expelled migrants. But at the same time, chaos at the border “also negatively affects migrants’ safety and could further strain an already overwhelmed health care system at the border,” they wrote. quote:They noted that the department has developed an “Irregular Mass Migration Contingency Plan” but said it “contains unanswered questions and does not seem likely to allow DHS to secure the border, protect our communities, and ensure migrants are treated fairly and humanely.”
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It was a joke in poor taste, but ultimately not worth violence. Words could have handled it. Calling your partner a scumsucking shitbag and watching you calmly say this to their face lol. That'll go over real well in the following days and nights and years of yalls relationship. They'll definitely respect your commitment to nonviolence lmao
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Lol quoting this for posterity. Balding people are definitely next in line for the ovens, multimillionaire actors go in first. Yeah, there's certainly no intersection between racism, misogyny, and medical conditions happening here. My mother in law had the same auto immune disease with accompanying hairloss and it destroyed her self esteem to the point where she didn't even want to be seen shopping for groceries. But its sure something to see punching down at diseases being handwaved away by the same people who spent 4 years telling me how disgusting it was for Trump to mock disabilities.
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Violence is okay if your feelings are really really hurt
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Mar 28, 2022 16:23
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Flattening that slap into the same amorphous blob of "violence" that encompasses murders and war crimes is not as persuasive as you might think.
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Harold Fjord posted:Flattening that slap into the same amorphous blob of "violence" that encompasses murders and war crimes is not as persuasive as you might think. Excusing it is also not as persuasive as you might think
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If someone insulted my wife I'd probably invade Eastern Europe too.
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bobua posted:Will Smith laughed at the joke himself before Jada gave him the look. Then went on to give a speech about god telling him to protect his family. I've been seeing this take and it's pretty weak. Your immediate reaction to something, especially in a very public/professional setting, doesn't always indicate how you really feel. And I dislike the implication that she intentionally goaded him, which is a pretty big stretch.
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