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Kibayasu posted:Finally I don’t have to pretend to care about Spock any more. Well now, which Spock? There's TOS Spock, but then there's the 09 reboot Spocks, and also the Discovery Spock, and the Strange New Worlds Spock, who I guess might be the same as Discovery Spock, but I'm not 100% sure
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CaptainSkinny posted:You've decided to not watching the show, and keep trying to make points that aren't correct because the show already dealt with them. The timeline after 2024 was changed before Picard went back in time, making it a brand new timeline for the season. Okay? Was this explained in some expository thing in the show?
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infernal machines posted:Well now, which Spock?
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I thought Discovery was in a different timeline too for some reason, possibly because everything including the Klingons look completely different
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CainFortea posted:Okay? Was this explained in some expository thing in the show? Yes, they explain that they’re going back in time from an alternate timeline. No, they don’t look at the camera and patiently explain why the events of Times Arrow don’t occur. What’s funny is that if Guinan HAD remembered Picard from the 1800s the exact same people would be in here going on about how that makes no sense for the exact same reason the writer’s have given.
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The difficulty is a timeline can't break cleanly from an event and create a distinct alternate future if the original past is affected by the "original" future, or else the past is the past of two presents--which would normally most likely not matter except that those two presents have two futures, one of which affects the past and one which does not. So it would necessarily create past ramifications to not have those future events occur. If Confederation Picard went back to meet Guinan in the 19th century his timeline, would both Federation Picard and Confederation Picard be there? Which one is the actual future Picard, and which would have the affect on 2024 for Guinan to recall? Both? Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Mar 30, 2022 |
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Mulaney Power Move posted:more of a post star trek 4 critique, but are we to believe only spock and the borg queen are capable of the whole slingshot around the sun thing? it seems like the federation could be time traveling whenever they want. Probably not the only ones. You need someone who can do the calculations fast enough. There's probably loads of people who can do it, but not everyone. Not the people they had available on this team. loving Wesley would probably be a good candidate, lol.
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I adopt the Doctor Who mantra of time travel, which is basically “gently caress it, just go with it”.
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Infidel Castro posted:The problem with the producers hand waiving Time's Arrow away is it implied whatever time fuckery that caused the timelines to split happened before 2024. You are thinking of time too linearly. When you change events from 2024 you change events before it too cause there were time travelers born after 2024 who went back before 2024
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Mar 30, 2022 22:10
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It’s gonna be fantastic when it’s revealed that Q just put them in a standard holodeck and they never went back in time and if any of them had said “computer end program” it would’ve been over.
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Endless Trash posted:Yes, they explain that they’re going back in time from an alternate timeline. No, they don’t look at the camera and patiently explain why the events of Times Arrow don’t occur. Ah, up till now I thought it was just cope fan fiction.
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Endless Trash posted:It’s gonna be fantastic when it’s revealed that Q just put them in a standard holodeck and they never went back in time and if any of them had said “computer end program” it would’ve been over. Again, this is a far better idea than something the writers of Picard are likely to have come up with CainFortea posted:Ah, up till now I thought it was just cope fan fiction. The writers themselves are on social media diagramming it out for people. IDK if that can be considered fan fiction
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John Wick of Dogs posted:You are thinking of time too linearly. When you change events from 2024 you change events before it too cause there were time travelers born after 2024 who went back before 2024 Time travel is stupid.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:You are thinking of time too linearly. When you change events from 2024 you change events before it too cause there were time travelers born after 2024 who went back before 2024 Luckily, those past events had no effect on the present outside of the excised causality loops. The present is a stable, relative temporal point. Can you imagine a future event affecting the past and altering the present in such a way that it alters the future which affects the past to alter the present? Madness
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remember that one episode of ds9 where they met their descendants and had to choose whether to destroy their timeline by leaving despite the fact that they'd already created a new timeline by arriving in the village in the first place
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StashAugustine posted:remember that one episode of ds9 where they met their descendants and had to choose whether to destroy their timeline by leaving despite the fact that they'd already created a new timeline by arriving in the village in the first place DS9 contains almost every complaint that has been leveled against Discovery and Picard combined. The difference is the writers knew how to handle these things rather than make plot holes plot points.
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with as much time travel as there is going on you can easily just handwave any continuity you don't like away as time fuckery which is why Disco and Picard never happened
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the scene at the end of first contact where picard just tells la forge to recreate the vortex and he does it and they go home
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CaptainSkinny posted:DS9 contains almost every complaint that has been leveled against Discovery and Picard combined. The difference is the writers knew how to handle these things rather than make plot holes plot points. yeah, I'm just firmly on the side that time travel in trek has never made any sense at all and the best episodes are the ones that care least about the mechanics of it
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and no the novel where we find out geordi fucks up the vortex and they're stuck in a timeline where picard marries the borg queen at champflower in 1806 and napoleon conquers britain after programming data to be his chef isn't canon
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Danaru posted:Through a really confusing set of circumstances, both planes that hit the WTC were flown by Mark Twain Shame on you, Mr. Clemens, shame! infernal machines posted:Well now, which Spock? Spock 2
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John Murdoch posted:Spock 2 Vulcan Boogaloo
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Mulaney Power Move posted:and no the novel where we find out geordi fucks up the vortex and they're stuck in a timeline where picard marries the borg queen at champflower in 1806 and napoleon conquers britain after programming data to be his chef isn't canon It's not?! I take it all back.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:and no the novel where we find out geordi fucks up the vortex and they're stuck in a timeline where picard marries the borg queen at champflower in 1806 and napoleon conquers britain after programming data to be his chef isn't canon Canon is whatever you want it to be.
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John Murdoch posted:Spock 2 This is a level beyond Spock
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i only give a poo poo about spock when he is played by nimoy. so really i just like nimoy.
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Spock 2: The Spockuel
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Meme Poker Party posted:Canon is whatever you want it to be. Riker lives in Wausau, WI and is also my dad.
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Why would Picard try to convince Guinan to stay on earth when he knows what is coming? She should definitely get off earth for the next few decades, at least.
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i just thought of something so stupid i hope it happens - the price of restoring the timeline is el-auria gets attacked by the borg because guinan meets the borg queen
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Mulaney Power Move posted:more of a post star trek 4 critique, but are we to believe only spock and the borg queen are capable of the whole slingshot around the sun thing? it seems like the federation could be time traveling whenever they want. I had a hearty laugh at the thought that Spock has more computer power in his brain than a computer. Spock's Brian makes more sense now. Also if anybody likes time travel stories, I highly recommend watching Primer.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Why would Picard try to convince Guinan to stay on earth when he knows what is coming? She should definitely get off earth for the next few decades, at least.
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infernal machines posted:This is a level beyond Spock And this is to go... Even FURTHER BEYOND!!!
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Facebook Aunt posted:Why would Picard try to convince Guinan to stay on earth when he knows what is coming? She should definitely get off earth for the next few decades, at least. Well he said just for a few days, cause he might need her to save the future
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Just got to the first part of The Best of Both Worlds , which honestly could be a TNG movie its so good. Season 3 of TNG and Season 4 are loving excellent seasons.
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https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1509305085150392324?t=0Oxvj-nECGTDBVF3Bpdnnw&s=19 I'm gonna like this dude
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infernal machines posted:I thought Discovery was in a different timeline too for some reason, possibly because everything including the Klingons look completely different Nah. They just want to be unique.
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