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How are u posted:It's very hard for me to imagine that any democrats are going to care much about hunter Biden at all. I'm getting into electoral work now, so rest assured I will report back to yall the moment hunter comes up. I'm genuinely curious if he will. It doesn't matter if they care about it. If he committed crimes, then he should get prosecuted for it. Right now, it looks like he might have committed tax fraud, had a child out of wedlock, took dick pics, cashed in on his name, did drugs, slept with a lot of different women, got screwed by his business partners, tried to screw his business partners back, and tried to dodge child support. The tax stuff is potentially criminal and the rest isn't. The stuff about being paid off by a Ukrainian company to get his dad to convince the entire E.U. to support firing a prosecutor in Ukraine and being paid off by the Chinese government to funnel money to Joe Biden so Biden would do ??? to sell out America for the Chinese government is clearly untrue unless they manage to dig up evidence that contradicts all currently available evidence. But, some people are taking "Hunter's dick pics are real" and then using that to assume that the Chinese government funneled money to Biden through Hunter. There is not only no evidence for that, but there is actually evidence, on the laptop of all places, that it isn't true. It doesn't matter if people don't care, he should still get whatever he deserves. There's lots of things that people don't care about that are still important. But, people also should criticize Hunter Biden and Joe Biden for the lovely things they actually do and not the lovely things they didn't do. Edit: Or stuff like "Joe Biden isn't bombing Ukraine only because Hunter funneled money to him in 2017 and he is desperately loyal to a defunct Ukrainian utility company. Otherwise, he would have boots on the ground right now. It's the only explanation!" as a perfect example of this in action. Willa Rogers posted:Democrats wouldn't care if Hunter's emails talking about "the big guy" getting a 10 percent cut turned out to be the truth. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It doesn't matter if they care about it. If he committed crimes, then he should get prosecuted for it. 100% agree, and I think Joe Biden is the kind of guy who would agree as well.
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How are u posted:100% agree, and I think Joe Biden is the kind of guy who would agree as well. This is obviously untrue based on the actions we've been discussing form the campaign.
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For a little background on why there was a debate as to whether Hunter's dick pics came from a real live laptop via a really convoluted set of circumstances, or from a cloud hack: it wasn't anything to do with whether the evidence of Hunter doing 9/11 was on it. It wasn't even just about whether any of it had been altered. It was because having purchased a real live laptop abandoned according to a repair shop agreement would give media outlets legal cover for publishing all the salacious details of a private citizen's cocaine habit and dangling penis, while publishing files from a cloud hack could open them to the same sort of revenge porn lawsuits that took Gawker down. Regardless of which it actually was, even news agencies eager for Hunter dirt and desperate for a Trump win smelled something fishy there and didn't leap on it until the story had cycled through a few more hands of plausible deniability. All of this would have been different if the files had something clearly tying shameful photos of private citizen Hunter Biden to illegal actions by presidential candidate Joe Biden vs "Look, they're both named Biden!" At the time there was nothing that even Fox and the like was ready to stand beside, as much as a lot of people were crossing their fingers and praying about it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes a lot of the moderate suburban voters who turned against Trump because he was so publicly disgusting would not have to worry about that with DeSantis DeSantis is running to Trump's right, publicly disgusting plays pretty well in Florida
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:The notebook is the best thing that could have happened for the GOP. Everyone, EVERYONE denied its existence. I still can't believe that the laptop thing was true. The story was so ridiculous. It's horrifying that social media censored it so much. Willa Rogers posted:Then poo poo like Twitter suspending the NY Post after it published a story about the laptop (and even here in dnd, where mention of the laptop was probatable; ask me how I know). This is why I vehemently oppose media censorship about "disinfo" and "misinfo," because when the tree falls in the forest of right-wing coverage, the mainstream media pretends it doesn't exist. It's so short sighted. I remember when What'sApp was censoring Palestinian journalists during Israel's siege on Gaza.
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Killer robot posted:For a little background on why there was a debate as to whether Hunter's dick pics came from a real live laptop via a really convoluted set of circumstances, or from a cloud hack: it wasn't anything to do with whether the evidence of Hunter doing 9/11 was on it. It wasn't even just about whether any of it had been altered. It was because having purchased a real live laptop abandoned according to a repair shop agreement would give media outlets legal cover for publishing all the salacious details of a private citizen's cocaine habit and dangling penis, while publishing files from a cloud hack could open them to the same sort of revenge porn lawsuits that took Gawker down. Obviously Hunter Biden (and all Bidens, for that matter) should pay whatever consequences are appropriate for whatever crimes he committed. But yeesh, I feel like it's June of 2016 and Chuck Todd is talking to me about the "drip, drip, drip" of Hillary's Emails.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:looks like available monthly-breakdown data only goes up to december 2021, so as compared to my previous look in november or whatever it's not terribly useful I'm confused, I see little change in migrant kids in U.S. custody over a year's time according to your links:  
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Mellow Seas posted:Obviously Hunter Biden (and all Bidens, for that matter) should pay whatever consequences are appropriate for whatever crimes he committed. But yeesh, I feel like it's June of 2016 and Chuck Todd is talking to me about the "drip, drip, drip" of Hillary's Emails. I remember how months later they found "thousands more emails!" on some device in the Anthony Weiner investigation, and even though they were exactly the same emails just on a different device's IMAP folder, and even through everyone who knew anything about email explained that day one, we still had to go through the whole song and dance of hourly updates on this huge, breaking new story.
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Sephyr posted:Yeah, the laptop is pretty much like Clinton's pre-Monica sexual sleaze. It's that base level of nepotism/corruption/rape/grift/etc. that permeates both parties to the bone, and serves to incense the opposition while it gets ignored or explained away by supporters. disagree, this sort of thing is what managed to get trump out from under the "grab them by the pussy!" tape. If he can characterize biden as "just as corrupt as trump is" then corruption stops being as strong of an issue the fact that this story has legs also makes it a far easier sell that the other biden allegations are true. you really cant do a comparative analysis between what biden and trump did. Trump's fanbase doesnt give a gently caress about some corruption poo poo; Biden's allure is being a return to a cleaner politics. Anything that marrs that directly challenges the central narrative appeal of biden.
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A big flaming stink posted:disagree, this sort of thing is what managed to get trump out from under the "grab them by the pussy!" tape. If he can characterize biden as "just as corrupt as trump is" then corruption stops being as strong of an issue Nobody cares about corruption. It's a rounding error of the voting public that actually gives a toss. The worst single Medicare fraudster of all time was elected and re-elected to govern one of the most populous states. Dubya was a known fuckup and grifter, but no one cared. I'll bet you a meal that the senators who were caught insider-trading pharma stocks at the onset of Covid either got re-elected or will be if their turn is yet to come. If things are generally looking good, only nerds care. It's why Clinton was re-elected even with all the talk of Whitewater (it got washed over by the Lewinsky scandal, but holy poo poo, people could not shut about it), and why Dubya was also re-elected even with the Iraq debacle. Amd if they are going poorly, people will just use whatever topic is convenient as a club to beat down the loser. Immigration, corruption, family values.
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How are u posted:regardless of how much money foreign interests may have shoveled at the poor kid. This is a very odd way to describe a 50 year old man seeking out and readily accepting eye-watering amounts of bribe money? Just a very weird way to describe it. No other notes
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Pretty sure the Trump presidency established that nobody gives a flying gently caress about corruption.
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some plague rats posted:This is a very odd way to describe a 50 year old man seeking out and readily accepting eye-watering amounts of bribe money? Just a very weird way to describe it. No other notes Make that money, Obama. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mellow Seas posted:Yeah I'm honestly a little surprised to see people here talking about Hunter's laptop...? We didn't really get any new information about it, except that the Times was able to confirm that the emails on the laptop were real - which everybody always knew was possible-to-likely, given how they, you know, had all those pictures of Hunter having sex and doing drugs, so it was pretty believable that they would also have some of his email. The laptop has still not been confirmed to be authentic and at this point probably never could. It's not really about the contents of the laptop, though? What's interesting is the incredible media effort to dismiss it as nonsense, a hoax, a Russian Disinformation Effort, etc. You had twitter were automatically censoring stories about it and banning news outlets for mentioning it, facebook doing the same, hell, even mods on this very forum joined in! A concerted effort by every sector of the news and social media to dismiss and discredit a story about the president's son taking massive bribes from Chinese and Ukrainian interests seems like kind of a big deal, however depressingly unsurprising it might be to anyone who's been paying attention (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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some plague rats posted:It's not really about the contents of the laptop, though? What's interesting is the incredible media effort to dismiss it as nonsense, a hoax, a Russian Disinformation Effort, etc. You had twitter were automatically censoring stories about it and banning news outlets for mentioning it, facebook doing the same, hell, even mods on this very forum joined in! A concerted effort by every sector of the news and social media to dismiss and discredit a story about the president's son taking massive bribes from Chinese and Ukrainian interests seems like kind of a big deal, however depressingly unsurprising it might be to anyone who's been paying attention I think conspiracy and concentrated effort is the wrong way to think about it and if anything it's an example of how consolidating information platforms into being primarily social media is going to create more and more chaos. There was no consolidated effort, just a bunch of idiots following each other's lead and using chaos for their needs. Remember, there's a few different things that happened. The Post releases a story about Hunter's laptop, Biden's team denies the whole thing, most other news outlets run some form of "It could be true, it's hard to believe, the people reporting it are untrustworthy, and Biden says it's false. But we can't rule it out.". At the same time the right wing conspiracy mill is blowing up the Hunter stories and claiming lots of even more dubious things about the laptop. The media generally doesn't lie about the story they just have little reason or ability to chase it. Biden absolutely lies about it though and his boosters push the idea that the whole story is Russian disinfo. Even now the line is that the laptop is real but the Post is using the story to Trojan Horse Russian disinfo. But it has now gained the Russian disinfo label from Biden supporters and their words being repeated in the media but not directly by the media. Then Facebook and Twitter, wanting to do damage control and win over the incoming administration slapped the disinfo label on the story even if it was just that the laptop existed which again helped push the line that it's all false and there is no laptop. Biden's team used the media to push his message but none of that is really a conspiracy or a concentrated effort, there's just not a lot of integrity, everyone copies each other's work, and there's not a lot of diversity with everyone involved so they just kind of think the same. Which is honestly scarier to me. Social media platforms are going to be more and more willing to label info based on what they think will make governments happy. Corporate media will keep leaning on official statements as fact. The amount of info we have is going to make truth harder to find. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Joe Biden himself accepted a two hundred thousand dollar personal check to help elect a PA Republican and Democrat voters didn't give a single gently caress. They definitely won't turn on him over Hunter's foreign misadventures in their most favorite non-US country The real story to me here is how fast and hard the US media and social platforms clamped down on the initial reporting. Like you couldn't even link to the story in private messages on those platforms and Twitter gave the NY Post official account a two week probe... and the story ended up being real lol. It was pretty obvious at the time given that the "denials" were entirely rhetorical innuendo meant to suggest that it could be perfidious Russian disinfoski but nobody was actually willing to say it outright on the record Pretty funny too when you compare it to the contemporary Russian Bounties story which ended up being an actual disinfo campaign by US intelligence elements against its own citizens, credulously reported on by the same media with the actual evidence apparently being some spook just saying "dude trust me" efb by more thoughtful posts lol
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some plague rats posted:It's not really about the contents of the laptop, though? What's interesting is the incredible media effort to dismiss it as nonsense, a hoax, a Russian Disinformation Effort, etc. You had twitter were automatically censoring stories about it and banning news outlets for mentioning it, facebook doing the same, hell, even mods on this very forum joined in! A concerted effort by every sector of the news and social media to dismiss and discredit a story about the president's son taking massive bribes from Chinese and Ukrainian interests seems like kind of a big deal, however depressingly unsurprising it might be to anyone who's been paying attention Why is somebody getting probated for simply mentioning a thing that actually happened?
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VitalSigns posted:Why is somebody getting probated for simply mentioning a thing that actually happened? baseless accusation that the mods here were in on it? it literally is in the probe reason. also why is it a 6er is so important to complain about? Also the loving laptop is the dumbest thing and the only actual thing that matters from the entire thing, is that biden texted his son when he was at rock bottom and didn't disown him, but instead said I love you and am here for you. irregardless of anything else, its something that more parents need to say to their children when poo poo gets bad. Everything about it is just about trying to cause whataboutism while trump was in another round of poo poo from bad decisions
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UCS Hellmaker posted:baseless accusation that the mods here were in on it? Is that baseless, I guess I don't know if it was censored here or not, maybe the OP will provide something to back it up after their 6 hour vacation Or maybe not since it might get them probated again since there was no real reason given for the probation other than huffiness so it's anyone's guess whether the punishment was because it was false, because it was true but wasn't sourced, or because it was true but forbidden to discuss
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Like you couldn't even link to the story in private messages on those platforms I assure you, as someone who's wasted way too much time yelling at Trump voters on social media, that you could have linked those stories in public and in DM ~~~~~ Jaxyon posted:Speaking of tribal issues, the state of NY has decided they've had enough of the Seneca nation not paying their bills and giving the state what they owe. I was mostly commenting on the timing but guess what New York State did quote:SALAMANCA, N.Y. (WIVB) – The Seneca Nation announced that it is releasing casino revenue sharing payments to New York State, after hours of deliberation this week, and after they say the state caused the restriction of accounts used for payroll and services. As a reminder the Bills owners' are billionaires. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Jaxyon posted:I assure you, as someone who's wasted way too much time yelling at Trump voters on social media, that you could have linked those stories in public and in DM Oh word? https://twitter.com/jack/status/1316528193621327876
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Jaxyon posted:I dont use twitter. I do use FB which I absolutely had people linking it at me I see it was merely "reduced distribution" in the news feed algorithm https://twitter.com/andymstone/status/1316395902479872000
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I'm not really surprised nobody in the media took the story Rudy Giuliani was pushing seriously. You can't tell a million lies and expect to be believed the million-and-oneth time.
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Did the laptop story drop before or after the video of giuliani trying to have sex with a minor dropped
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Because I have an idea about why people weren't taking anything seriously that was coming out of Giuliani in oct 2020
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Did the laptop story drop before or after the video of giuliani trying to have sex with a minor dropped you mean that "prank" by sacha baron cohen for borat 2? where his daughter was poses as a reporter and sacha bust in saying she s too old for you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_44JkaKLVY The simple truth is the laptop was real, the media did their best to ether not talk about it or denounce it because it might affect the election. There were goons who lost IRL friends over it.
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Amusingly, the only reason why dnd mods ever even considered asking 'should this be posted in dnd?' is because, cpt_obvious (iirc) specifically asked if it was permitted to post that stuff here and was told to hang on while we forward that question to actual mods. I don't think it would've ever been a question if he hadn't brought it up.
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I don't get the point of all the excuses and rationalizations for obvious corruption like officials' failchildren getting mysterious seven figure sinecures with no possible legitimate reason. Most people aren't going to care because we're all so beaten down that we expect everyone in government everywhere to be corrupt and self-serving, and there's so much other poo poo going on that run-of-the-mill cronyism and backscratching doesnt even make the top 100 but for people who do care you're never going to convince them that blatantly unethical impropriety is actually totally innocent with frivolous arguments like "oh so where's the blood contract where Joe sold his soul to get Hunter a job" Much like Republican partisans are never going to convince you that you have to agree it was totally innocent for foreign diplomats to book and throw money around at Trump hotels just because you can't produce a notarized signed document saying "yes I Donald J Trump am corruptly giving you and your government a quid pro quo if you spend at least $100,000 in Trump hotels and resorts". VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Amusingly, the only reason why dnd mods ever even considered asking 'should this be posted in dnd?' is because, cpt_obvious (iirc) specifically asked if it was permitted to post that stuff here and was told to hang on while we forward that question to actual mods. I don't think it would've ever been a question if he hadn't brought it up. Main Paineframe posted:Don't post clearly, unambiguously fake poo poo unless you're clearly marking it as faked and using it to start a discussion about the role the fake info plays into things (for example, why it was faked, why it's being faked now, or what impact the fakes are having on the news cycle). Skimming the discussion for a couple pages after it looks like the laptop fell into the 'disputed but has a chance of being authentic' bucket because no one was punished for discussing it or posting emails from it, other than Cpt_Obvious for posting Hunter selfies and making fun of them which wasn't political So it looks like the mod policy on the NY Post laptop story was better than Twitter or Facebook and it wasn't censored, at least from what I found in the brief amount of time I cared to try to source the claim anyway.
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Ups_rail posted:you mean that "prank" by sacha baron cohen for borat 2? where his daughter was poses as a reporter and sacha bust in saying she s too old for you? Edit: quote should have been for herstory That event happened months before the Biden laptop poo poo with Giuliani.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:DeSantis is running to Trump's right, publicly disgusting plays pretty well in Florida Been thinking more about this and there's another angle that people might be underestimating here. One thing about Trump is that, despite everything else, he wasn't really as strong on the LGBTQ and abortion stuff as a lot of traditional Republican voters really wanted him to be. They knew he'd still play ball, so it didn't matter in the long run, and in fact it may have helped him gain supporters among the more alt-right / not-particularly-religious conservatives. His big thing was saying the racism out loud. DeSantis could be seen as a chance to go all-in on LGBTQ and abortion stuff again while slightly backing away from blatant racism, because they've kind of already got their marching orders there -- all he has to do is occasionally say "CRT" and everyone will know what he means. In the meantime, their figurehead is someone who has the appearance of being slightly more polite about racism, and they can claim they were never really comfortable with Trump's "rhetoric" about Mexicans. And I think at this point the alt-right are significantly galvanized where even if they don't care as much about LGBTQ stuff (which is a big if, actually), they're still on board. There is, of course, still the outstanding question of whether Trump will let them go with someone else... Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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VitalSigns posted:Is that baseless, I guess I don't know if it was censored here or not, maybe the OP will provide something to back it up after their 6 hour vacation SA Mods are not censoring news stories, knock it off.
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Sir Lemming posted:Been thinking more about this and there's another angle that people might be underestimating here. One thing about Trump is that, despite everything else, he wasn't really as strong on the LGBTQ and abortion stuff as a lot of traditional Republican voters really wanted him to be. They knew he'd still play ball, so it didn't matter in the long run, and in fact it may have helped him gain supporters among the more alt-right / not-particularly-religious conservatives. His big thing was saying the racism out loud. DeSantis is pretty much on the same wavelength as Trump on the blatant racism. He just hasn't had as much opportunity to get involved as Governor of Florida, but when he does, he has been on the same page as Trump or actually criticizing him from the right ("there's still millions of illegals coming to the border ever year, so we obviously aren't doing everything possible to stop that"). He's also wasted a ton of Florida taxpayer money by sending the Florida National Guard to the border in Texas to just hang out and then begging the federal government to reimburse him.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:yeah, the point in most small-level corporate donations is to make sure politicians don't have an easy excuse to poo poo on you. wow man its like you saw the future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aQYz_iNiV8 Disney spoke up and now the retaliation.
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Some wage and inflation numbers to compare and contrast https://twitter.com/AE_Konkel/status/1509511556752621575 Inflation is probably going to be the number one issue in the midterms, and I don't think there is anything to be done about it in the short term. It would have been great to pass some anti corporate greed legislation and try and use that bully pulpit to drive the narrative, but whelp.
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I think it's worth noting that ur-liberal outlets were talking about some of the issues people have raised in reaction to laptop story well before the laptop story. This is from a year before the election. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Also the loving laptop is the dumbest thing and the only actual thing that matters from the entire thing, is that biden texted his son when he was at rock bottom and didn't disown him, but instead said I love you and am here for you. irregardless of anything else, its something that more parents need to say to their children when poo poo gets bad. Everything about it is just about trying to cause whataboutism while trump was in another round of poo poo from bad decisions "Joe Biden may be the patriarch of a family of criminals, but at least he sent his son a nice text (once)" is certainly a very funny take on the situation. CommieGIR posted:SA Mods are not censoring news stories, knock it off. Of course not, just the conversations around those news stories.
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