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A.o.D. posted:I gotta say, diagnosing a bunch of conscripts as worthless malingerers from thousands of miles away has some huge lovely NCO energy. That made me laugh. Should be thread title
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 02:51 |
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Here's the New York Times Article The New York Times on March 30, 2022 posted:WASHINGTON — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has been misinformed by his advisers about the Russian military’s struggles in Ukraine, according to declassified U.S. intelligence.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 02:54 |
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Putin getting that Trump treatment.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 04:13 |
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The cynic in me sees this as just greasing the skids for Putin to go "whoopsie, I didn't mean to do all those awful things, it was just bad intelligence", a la the 2003 Bush administration.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 05:06 |
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Wingnut Ninja posted:The cynic in me sees this as just greasing the skids for Putin to go "whoopsie, I didn't mean to do all those awful things, it was just bad intelligence", a la the 2003 Bush administration.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 05:12 |
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I'm taking Vlad the babe in the woods with extreme grain of salt, but wouldn't it be something if Putin genuinely had no idea what was going on in this war and why everyone was pissed off at him? It would be the latest dumb in a long stream of dumb dumbs out of , that's for sure.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 05:33 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:I'm taking Vlad the babe in the woods with extreme grain of salt, but wouldn't it be something if Putin genuinely had no idea what was going on in this war and why everyone was pissed off at him? I'm sure he knows he isn't winning, but the article implies that the specifics of why and how badly aren't making it through the Yes Men.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 05:36 |
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Putin being misinformed by his advisors is starting to sound more and more like that scene from the film Der Untergang.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 05:45 |
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A.o.D. posted:I gotta say, diagnosing a bunch of conscripts as worthless malingerers from thousands of miles away has some huge lovely NCO energy. I may be a lovely NCO, but it's very unlikely dudes are getting acute radiation sickness from digging foxholes, especially in the mud. Even inside the plant near where the biggest concentration of remaining fuel is, rad levels are safe to be exposed to for a significant time. Maybe they're ingesting huge amounts of alpha-emitters in the soil or something, but playing around in labs with chunks of radioisotope seems way more likely.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 05:50 |
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WaltherFeng posted:Putin being misinformed by his advisors is starting to sound more and more like that scene from the film Der Untergang. It just goes to show, you get out what you Putin to it
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Elviscat posted:I may be a lovely NCO, but it's very unlikely dudes are getting acute radiation sickness from digging foxholes, especially in the mud. It's probably not real. But if the story freaks out one Russian soldier it's done it's job. Can you imagine? Paranoia, ridicule, life-long nagging doubt. Lol.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 05:59 |
Edit woops I thought I was in one of the other four threads on Ukraine I have bookmarked.
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Kesper North posted:It just goes to show, you get out what you Putin to it Booooo. Unrelated, I find it hard to believe that Putin is getting the rose colored world view only when he has the internet like anyone else.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 06:31 |
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Kesper North posted:It just goes to show, you get out what you Putin to it If Ukraine your neck, you can see a shitpost
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 07:16 |
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Quackles posted:If Ukraine your neck, you can see a shitpost Donetsk show your Donbass, Kherson.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 07:29 |
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Per the latest ISW update, Russia is pulling troops from training units to send to the meat grinder. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-30
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 08:02 |
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psydude posted:Per the latest ISW update, Russia is pulling troops from training units to send to the meat grinder. Ahhhh the JJ Abrams Star Trek strategy.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 08:32 |
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psydude posted:Per the latest ISW update, Russia is pulling troops from training units to send to the meat grinder. They are so desperate to avoid a general mobilization.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 09:22 |
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That Works posted:Booooo. I don't remember the source but I believe it has been said that Putin does not use even a basic computer, let alone smart devices.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 09:42 |
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Yeah, there was a story that Putin was baffled when a kid at a school visit talked to him about the concept of subscribing to a video channel.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 09:51 |
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psydude posted:Per the latest ISW update, Russia is pulling troops from training units to send to the meat grinder. this is actually good because many people were remarking that the russian forces looked significantly over-trained if anything
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 10:16 |
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Would the Russians pick up any extra rads because they were hungry and trying to hunt local wildlife in Chernobyl?
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WaltherFeng posted:I don't remember the source but I believe it has been said that Putin does not use even a basic computer, let alone smart devices. Ah... Weird.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:The cynic in me sees this as just greasing the skids for Putin to go "whoopsie, I didn't mean to do all those awful things, it was just bad intelligence", a la the 2003 Bush administration. Mind you, I feel like it’s way more embarrassing for Putin, the ex-KGB agent with a reputation for 5D chess mastery to suffer from an intel failure than it was for George Bush, a politician routinely mocked for being an idiot prior to his election. Like, spymastering is supposed to be his whole thing. steinrokkan posted:Yeah, there was a story that Putin was baffled when a kid at a school visit talked to him about the concept of subscribing to a video channel. The full story’s paywalled but the video is still good.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 11:27 |
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Valtonen posted:Re: Russian rad casualties. If they're digging trenches through the layer of sand dumped over whatever joyous stuff the liquidators left behind, they won't be getting the doses measured prior to the war. Make some fraction of that respirable dust and you'll be pretty poorly pretty quickly. I would not bet on the Russian military having potable water anywhere in theatre (unless it's coming from a Ukrainian water network), so they're probably drinking whatever water they can find. In that part of the world, probably rotten with Cs. That ends with a Ron Perlman voice over and a hermetically sealed coffin*. That said, I agree with you that it's BS, just for different reasons: The thing that makes the whole story ring false is the part where the Russians bussed their afflicted troops out to get medical care. * Or a cardboard box when the scrap value of the zinc is too alluring for the supply officer.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 11:28 |
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I hope all the conscripts got together and were like "If we all say we're sick, they have to do something " and now they are back just chilling back in Belarus
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 11:41 |
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Marshal Prolapse posted:They are so desperate to avoid a general mobilization. Have they implemented stop-loss and started sending personnel from the navy and air force into ground roles yet?
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 11:50 |
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Their air force has regularly been sent directly into the ground yes.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 11:59 |
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SerthVarnee posted:Their air force has regularly been sent directly into the ground yes. Nice.
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IPCRESS posted:If they're digging trenches through the layer of sand dumped over whatever joyous stuff the liquidators left behind, they won't be getting the doses measured prior to the war. Make some fraction of that respirable dust and you'll be pretty poorly pretty quickly. It's only been 34 years since Chernobyl, so radiation from Cs-137 has decayed a little over half from its incident peak. More than enough to gently caress someone up if they kick up big dust clouds and or inhale poo poo into their lungs from what was buried by the liquidators. If they've been loving around digging trenches for a month I could see some people getting sick from radiation. The work crews who go near the reactor safely respect that radiation is a silent killer, wear dosimeters and do everything they can to avoid stirring up additional radiation into the air in the form of dust and other poo poo, and they still have strict time limits they're allowed within certain radiuses of reactor 4 and surrounding structures while working due to dose limitations. Russian conscripts aren't going to know how deadly radiation is or know anything about it, so they're probably glowing a bit more than the average plant worker.
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orange juche posted:It's only been 34 years since Chernobyl, so radiation from Cs-137 has decayed a little over half from its incident peak. More than enough to gently caress someone up if they kick up big dust clouds and or inhale poo poo into their lungs from what was buried by the liquidators. If they've been loving around digging trenches for a month I could see some people getting sick from radiation. This. I also suspect having some shelling and heavy machinery going around is kicking up a ton of dust that everyone's inhaling putting sources into direct exposure to lungs, eyes etc.
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People who say that oh it's no big deal do not know how loving deadly cesium 137 is, even 34 years on, it is still 1.4 million curies worth of radiation in the zone around Chernobyl. A single curie of Cs137 is 1/100 of a gram, about equivalent to a pinch of salt. Go and pinch some salt out into the palm of your hand and imagine that that pinch of salt is decaying at a rate of 3.7 x 1010 disintegrations per second, for 30 years, spitting out beta particles and gamma rays with every decay, and every decay is an atomic rifle bullet aimed at your cells. Put that poo poo inside your lungs, you really don't need much, even 1 half life removed from the incident to turn your lungs into a loving disaster area. How much dust you suck up and how quickly you do it determines whether you get lung cancer in 5 years vs your lungs shredding themselves as your lung cells fall apart from acute exposure. E: also to say nothing of the fact that cesium loves water, it is readily oxidized by water and a small amount will heavily contaminate a large amount of groundwater, so if the Russian troops are drinking rainwater runoff from storms thinking that water purification tablets are enough, that's even more cesium they're putting in themselves. orange juche fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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orange juche posted:It's only been 34 years since Chernobyl, so radiation from Cs-137 has decayed a little over half from its incident peak. More than enough to gently caress someone up if they kick up big dust clouds and or inhale poo poo into their lungs from what was buried by the liquidators. If they've been loving around digging trenches for a month I could see some people getting sick from radiation. There is that video of bionerd where she eats apples from the red forest and explains why that is totally safe. And then she explains why the moss around the tree, cherries or especially mushrooms would totally gently caress you up. The random russian conscripts who don't even know they are near chernobyl, might absolutely do some foraging beside digging their trenches.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Have they implemented stop-loss and started sending personnel from the navy and air force into ground roles yet? I haven't heard about it yet.
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 13:20 |
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AFAIK contracts/conscriptions run out soon, so it's a decision they'll have to make
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 14:11 |
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I haven't heard about it yet. I think that's a reference to the peak bullshit inflicted on the US's military during the recent forever war
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 14:13 |
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SerthVarnee posted:Their air force has regularly been sent directly into the ground yes. I had not heard that. Citation?
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# ? Mar 31, 2022 14:17 |
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Cimber posted:I had not heard that. Citation? I took it as a joke that they are being shot down on a regular basis.
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:I took it as a joke that they are being shot down on a regular basis. I should have more coffee before replying.
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Naval infantry have been popping up in Ukraine, yeah. Likely guys intended originally for something around Odessa, but appeared to have been deployed to help the fight for Mariupol. Also saw a pic where someone had collected a bunch of kuznetsov uniform patches, for whatever that is worth.
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