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How Wonderful! posted:It pops up here and there. Last year's Pride special had a fun story about them as a young couple at the turn of the 20th century. Being blackmailed by Moriarty no less
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We Got Us A Bread posted:Sinister's going to be the one to accidentally solve the "the x-men always lose" problem, and i'm so here for the temper tantrum he'd throw about it. The X-Men always lose because they are incompetent morons in their personal lives, and there is no reality in which Sinister makes that situation better.
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I really love the implication that in the Marvel Universe Sherlock Holmes was likely just an alias for Mystique.
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glitchwraith posted:I really love the implication that in the Marvel Universe Sherlock Holmes was likely just an alias for Mystique. Is there in-text stuff for this, or is it just linking "Irene Adler" romantically to Holmes? Mystique would fit better into Moriarty than Holmes...
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Apr 1, 2022 17:13
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I don't think there's any textual evidence to suggest that Sherlock was a real person in the 616 other than Destiny sharing her name with a minor character in a single Sherlock story (christ, I don't get the emphasis some people put on Adler.)
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rantmo posted:I don't think there's any textual evidence to suggest that Sherlock was a real person in the 616 other than Destiny sharing her name with a minor character in a single Sherlock story (christ, I don't get the emphasis some people put on Adler.) It's one of the few definitive Ls Holmes takes in the canon, is one of the earliest stories and has a female character straight up besting Holmes using one of his own tricks. It'd be more shocking if she wasn't considered notable. Hell, you could say the same thing about Moriarty or Moran, given they appear barely more often.
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Apr 1, 2022 17:25
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I know very little about deep Sherlock lore, but I believe the "Mystique == Sherlock" thing comes from some references to her working as a "consulting detective" back in the day when she first met Irene Adler/Destiny.
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Apr 1, 2022 17:29
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Honestly, I'm getting the "Mystique = Sherlock" stuff second hand, so I'm likely over emphasizing it just because it's such a fun idea. If nothing else, you could hand-wave that Mystique and Destiny only inspired Doyle, which would also explain away the differences between Destiny and the Irene Adler character from the books.
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Apr 1, 2022 17:42
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Mystique is not what I'd call brilliant and Sherlock and Irene famously never do anything together. The entire point is that he's a big insular weirdo but she's so exceptional she actually gets his attention.
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Mystique is also not addicted to crack to my knowledge.
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Apr 1, 2022 17:55
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mystique could do pretty well by being a remarkable 'master of disguise' and manipulating people. mystique-style detective work wouldn't be terribly different from espionage, and she's certainly done that enough. you can simply say that doyle borrowed a couple of elements but then added a bunch of other character traits that he thought were cool. it makes more sense than ben grimm being literally, canonically blackbeard the pirate.
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Apr 1, 2022 18:04
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:mystique could do pretty well by being a remarkable 'master of disguise' and manipulating people. mystique-style detective work wouldn't be terribly different from espionage, and she's certainly done that enough. you can simply say that doyle borrowed a couple of elements but then added a bunch of other character traits that he thought were cool.
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Apr 1, 2022 18:17
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Every legendary figure is either a long-lived or time displaced super hero/villain.
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Apr 1, 2022 19:22
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If you don't think The Thing being Literally Blackbeard isn't the raddest poo poo we are approaching comic books from two completely different roads.
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I'm excited for the thread to form a single opinion between "the comics from before canon mattered ruled" and "canon is important and silly stuff devalues it" and write a Grant Morrison series
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Gologle posted:If you don't think The Thing being Literally Blackbeard isn't the raddest poo poo we are approaching comic books from two completely different roads. Easily my favorite Heroclix figure. Even comes with a separate treasure chest piece to fight over. Had him team with Captain Kate Pryde and the Marauders.
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Are we going to have to talk about Johnny Blaze's "The Friend" again? (Because I am kinda down for it.)
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Mulva posted:The X-Men always lose because they are incompetent morons in their personal lives, and there is no reality in which Sinister makes that situation better. I'll spoiler it, even though I probably don't have to: Sinister has a bunch of clones of Moira now, and it looks like he's going to be using her timeline thing.
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We Got Us A Bread posted:I'll spoiler it, even though I probably don't have to: I wonder if he can actually do a timeline reset at this point? The implications for the wider Marvel universe are significant so maybe he'll try to something more circumscribed.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:I wonder if he can actually do a timeline reset at this point? The implications for the wider Marvel universe are significant so maybe he'll try to something more circumscribed. The implication seemed to be by killing a Moira clone, Sinister only resets time up to the point the clone was 'born'. I think it's also implied he's already done it several times but I'm less certain of that.
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Maduo posted:The implication seemed to be by killing a Moira clone, Sinister only resets time up to the point the clone was 'born'. I think it's also implied he's already done it several times but I'm less certain of that. That makes sense. I didn't quite get all of it but it makes for some interesting possibilities.
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So I think the way it works is; Moira's powers rewind time to the moment of her X-Gene's activation but preserve her memories, which is normally birth for her, but if Sinister makes a mature Moira clone he can trigger her X-Gene. So he has a whole pool of dormant Moira clones, and checks their memories and activates one every day. This is a little different from the idea that Moira was awake in the womb in her latter lives, but whatever. If Sinister feels something hasn't gone his way, he uploads his memories of the day into his active clone and kills her. This shunts her/his memories of the active day into the past bodies of all the dormant Moiras, for the Sinister of yesterday to draw from in his daily check.
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Yeah, the weird comments about an x-gene activated, 25 logs ("So I'm 26."), etc.
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Mameluke posted:So I think the way it works is; lol sinister literally invented mutant save state restores immortal x just made me excited for the line again, considering how much i disliked x lives/deaths. i've really tried to give percy a chance but i think the healthier choice is just to drop his books hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Apr 2, 2022 |
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Mameluke posted:So I think the way it works is; Thanks; took me a while to realize that was he meant at the start of the comic and him talking about Destiny's vote. Immortal X-Men was great; I love Gillen's work so it's not a huge surprise that I liked this, but beyond that it made me a lot more excited for the future of the X-Books. Hopefully next week I feel as hopeful as this one.
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https://twitter.com/classicxbooks/status/1510394473750142984?s=21&t=ua7nDbYsM0Bz2NKM9tqeEQ
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hope and vaseline posted:immortal x just made me excited for the line again, considering how much i disliked x lives/deaths. i've really tried to give percy a chance but i think the healthier choice is just to drop his books For fuckin real, like. Of all the incredible talent they've got going on the x-line rn, Percy of all of them? Getting the Hickman treatment with the "stop the whole line to do this" weekly releases?? 
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so, does sinister have a way to depower the clones or is he now stuck in a weird self-inflicted timeloop situation?
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:so, does sinister have a way to depower the clones or is he now stuck in a weird self-inflicted timeloop situation? He has to activate her x-gene so... he can stop whenever he wants. (So could Moira, by the way, who could have stopped destroying trillions of lives for no discernable reason at any time simply by dying before her x-gene kicked in.)
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I thought Moira was one of those mutants whose X-Gene activates immediately, though. That’s why she describes becoming aware while gestating or something.
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Internet Wizard posted:I thought Moira was one of those mutants whose X-Gene activates immediately, though. That’s why she describes becoming aware while gestating or something. She's aware because of her powers but the power doesn't activate until the usual teenage years. This is explicitly stated by Destiny in the burning scene.
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It's a bit irregular, but Hickman made it clear (through the first conversation that Destiny ever had with Moira) that the actual reincarnation aspect of Moira's mutant powers don't activate until her teens, and if she's dead for good if she dies before then. Presumably, her power from her previous life is the catalyst that sends her memories back in time to her birth, but the powers of her current life don't fully come online until her teens.
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Ah, okay. Trying to keep up with the details of a long-game Hickman plot during the pandemic has been it’s own fun little challenge, so thanks for the correction.
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The long game Hickman plot is done now.
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And the omnibus of his X-Men run just came out this week if you want to refresh yourself... expensive style
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danbanana posted:He has to activate her x-gene so... he can stop whenever he wants. (So could Moira, by the way, who could have stopped destroying trillions of lives for no discernable reason at any time simply by dying before her x-gene kicked in.) once he has a clone with an activated x-gene, that clone's lifespan is the same as the lifespan of the universe. so once he activates it, he is locked into that timeline for the duration. that activation is the reset point so he has to do it ahead of time if he wants all that future knowledge. also, it is sinister so he definitely has multiple moira clones with active x-genes going at the same time. if he can't deactivate them, the only way out is to kill every moira clone and reset repeatedly until it goes back to a point where he had a moira clone but had yet to activate any. which uh, sounds like it might have heavier consequences than the victorian genetics guy can handle.
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Yes but... He can get out of it by stopping activations. Whether he would do that is in question, not how the system functions.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:once he has a clone with an activated x-gene, that clone's lifespan is the same as the lifespan of the universe. so once he activates it, he is locked into that timeline for the duration. that activation is the reset point so he has to do it ahead of time if he wants all that future knowledge. also, it is sinister so he definitely has multiple moira clones with active x-genes going at the same time. if he can't deactivate them, the only way out is to kill every moira clone and reset repeatedly until it goes back to a point where he had a moira clone but had yet to activate any. which uh, sounds like it might have heavier consequences than the victorian genetics guy can handle. He can also just depower the clone the same way regular Moira got depowered and can’t reset the universe with her death anymore
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normally i think they'd keep the depowering gun well away from sinister but then in x deaths it was just sort of left on the counter where anyone could grab it.
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