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Professor Beetus posted:Lmao your expensive prices are still cheaper than eggs at any of my local grocers. Serves me right for living in Cascadia I guess. Wait, you don't think consumers should take into consideration whether or not the animals being used to make their food are raised humanely or not? Also, yes, the food you give/provide for animals that use that food to produce a resource heavy byproduct does in fact have a measurable outcome on it. In eggs it's mostly visible in the type of fat and the level of vitamins. As another person already noted the joke was about suspiciously low prices of certain foods but it is crazy how many people came out with "how dare you attack the poor!" I highly doubt that many of the people here cannot buy ethical animal products.
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Yawgmoft posted:Wait, you don't think consumers should take into consideration whether or not the animals being used to make their food are raised humanely or not? People that are living in poverty and have to buy cheap eggs are not responsible for humane treatment of animals, which is what I was saying. That sort of thing needs be done from top down, ideally with laws being created to ensure humane treatment of animals. It should not and can not be done with consumer demand via capitalism. I personally buy humane animal products but lmao, like half the country doesn't even have more than a thousand dollars in savings so "how dare you attack the poor" isn't some thing people are doing performatively. The differences cited in the couple (non-peer reviewed) studies I was able to find about the eggs also don't seem statistically significant for a poor family to worry about when they're looking at a price increase of anywhere from 2-7 dollars for premium eggs. I don't disagree with you about food quality and animal welfare, I just don't agree that it's on the consumer. It's a job for government regulation and it's pathetic that our country will likely never have a government functional enough to do such things.
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I'm lucky enough to be able to buy eggs from a local guy I work with. I eat a lot of eggs, 3-5 a day, and an older coworker told me the ultra cheap grocerystore eggs literally aren't as nutritious as what I'll call "natural" eggs. Sure enough, psychosomatic or not, I feel better paying my neighbor to raise his own chickens and provide us with local eggs. I understand not everybody has that option, but it does make me feel better knowing a significant portion of my diet is local.
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You cannot buy ethical eggs in the USA since practically every company practices chick culling. At least not in the vast majority of grocery stores.
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Probably more a sticking point for a vegetarian that eats eggs than it would be for anyone that eats meat. Cats need to eat too, after all.
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Worth noting here that "organic" as regulated in the US isn't synonymous with better animal treatment or nutrition; it's an awkward, massively captured combination of things, many of which are just tied to a fear-based market for "natural" products and processes.
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Indeed. It's far better to look for third party regulators in each industry for humane and real enforcement of concepts like "humane", "free range", or "grass fed"
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BiggerBoat posted:This is the sort of thing I'm speaking to when I discount the measures by which the economy is booming. This behavior by Democrats is a lot easier to understand if you view it as axiomatic rather than a considered response. The data itself is orthogonal because it will always be assumed to be the best that could have reasonably been done under the circumstances and anything more is unicorn fantasy, with their only acknowledged failing being their struggles in making the hoi polloi aware of how great things are. This both insulates them from ever having to reflect on the insufficiency of their policies and the failings of their governing ideology, while simultaneously providing evergreen justification for the existence of the sprawling consultancy apparatus that keeps their useless failkids employed as both brainstormers for the rosy data as well as being theoretical prole whisperers
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BiggerBoat posted:Several of the cheap grocery stores around here have closed. So have the kid's consignment shops, the local flea market and a few thrift shops. You'd think it'd be the other way around. “Cheap stores” operate on the thinnest of margins by abusing economies of scale and cutting corners. If prices raise their profits evaporate. There is also that fact that despite the rally of “We are the 99%!” there is a large and growing divide between the upper and lower half of Americans. For example, the “working class” American spends like three times the relative amount of disposable income on mortgage compared to the “upper middle class” American.
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Very Well Qualified Buyers (rich people who know other rich people) can get 0% interest. It's like that with a lot of things.
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If you don't have enough money to pay for your education and housing you can just live in your car in the university parking lot.  https://twitter.com/loisbeckett/status/1510735286963113984?s=20&t=wvjOsIucrv1fJLKslw7l5Q https://twitter.com/loisbeckett/status/1510737324128174086?s=20&t=wvjOsIucrv1fJLKslw7l5Q
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Yawgmoft posted:There is no way eggs under 2 dollars a dozen are not flavorless nutritionally void factory farmed eggs. According to the CPI data, the average cost of a dozen large eggs nationwide is usually less than two dollars, except during recessions, bird flu outbreaks, and other anomalous events such as the COVID supply chain shocks. The especially cheap eggs in recent years were the result of a market failure, not extreme corner-cutting. After the 2015 bird flu outbreak devastated the poultry industry, egg costs shot up to roughly $3/dozen, which encouraged a lot of farmers to invest very strongly in replenishing their supply of egg-laying hens. Once those eggs started hitting the market, it turned out that too many farmers had bought too many hens, and in short order the egg supply was exceeding egg demand and driving prices back down to levels not seen since the mid-00s. Of course, in addition to the inflation and COVID market disruptions that have been generally driving food prices up already, a bird flu outbreak has been picking up steam the past few weeks and is showing no sign of stopping, so I'd expect egg prices to keep rising. Given the amount of poo poo that was hitting prices even before the bird flu outbreak, I'd expect this to send egg prices even higher than the 2015 outbreak.
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^yeah and everything that restaurants traditionally used in huge quantities got super cheap during the pandemic. It's actually insane how many eggs restaurants and other commercial kitchens go through and most of that demand evaporated overnight. Certain cuts of meat went through something similar: I was getting whole, untrimmed tenderloins for less than the cost of brisket, which is one of the most insane pricing differentials I've ever seen. Professor Beetus posted:Lmao your expensive prices are still cheaper than eggs at any of my local grocers. Serves me right for living in Cascadia I guess. there absolutely are macro/micro nutrient differences depending on what chickens (hell, all meat) eats albeit it's broadly over-stated as a health factor afaik Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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I'm always suspicious of overstating the health benefits of natural foods, but fresh eggs from healthy chickens definitely do taste better in that they have any flavor at all. I used to volunteer at an urban coop during work and was able to take home as many eggs as the birds had laid that morning. I definitely want to get a coop going as soon as I can although actually maintaining even a few chickens is a lot.
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Professor Beetus posted:Lmao your expensive prices are still cheaper than eggs at any of my local grocers. Serves me right for living in Cascadia I guess.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Stop shopping at New Seasons. I don't know what that is so I'll assume it's some bougie King County thing.
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Professor Beetus posted:I don't know what that is so I'll assume it's some bougie King County thing. The OG hippy grocery store in Portland was Nature's, which was bought out by one of the huge conglomerates, and the founders of Nature's then went on to form a new store New Seasons, which I think has again been bought out by Kroger or something?
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I shop at Winco and prices haven't shot up that much. They aren't that much different than back home in the Midwest actually once you account for the lack of sales tax.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:This behavior by Democrats is a lot easier to understand if you view it as axiomatic rather than a considered response. The data itself is orthogonal because it will always be assumed to be the best that could have reasonably been done under the circumstances and anything more is unicorn fantasy, with their only acknowledged failing being their struggles in making the hoi polloi aware of how great things are. This both insulates them from ever having to reflect on the insufficiency of their policies and the failings of their governing ideology, while simultaneously providing evergreen justification for the existence of the sprawling consultancy apparatus that keeps their useless failkids employed as both brainstormers for the rosy data as well as being theoretical prole whisperers 'We haven't properly explained to them how hard we already worked and how lucky they have it' certainly sounds on brand for Democrats.
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BiggerBoat posted:Several of the cheap grocery stores around here have closed. So have the kid's consignment shops, the local flea market and a few thrift shops. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Every vacant spot is owned by someone that believes they can charge the prices they always did in the past and would rather stay vacant than lower the rent.
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so vacancy fees/taxes that ramp up within months during the 1st year are the solution? Oh and when they try to metagame this with some empty building ghost business , drop a hammer on that too.
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kdrudy posted:Every vacant spot is owned by someone that believes they can charge the prices they always did in the past and would rather stay vacant than lower the rent. This also applies to residential buildings. Rents never go down. PhazonLink posted:so vacancy fees/taxes that ramp up within months during the 1st year are the solution? Why do you hate mom and pop small business owners? Are you trying to destroy the economy?
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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1510783887600988168?s=20 Sarah is baaaaack!
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1510783887600988168?s=20 It's only fair, seeing as how Trump only became a viable political entity after he took Palin's endorsement and then promptly pushed her off the national stage. Her crawling back onto it atop the deflating blob of his still not-quite-dead political viability makes it perfectly symmetrical.
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So this dumb thing happened. Trump made a long riff on Peter Meijer's name at a Michigan rally (He's a RINO I guess?), and how it's dumb and confusing that it's pronounced MY-er. https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1510417688589443077 While much of the crowd seems unenthused, there are people jeering, I assume, along with him. As almost every reply to this says, Meijer's, which his family owns, is a huge grocery store chain in Michigan. Everyone there has always known how to say it. But some people there also decided, in that moment, that Meijer is a dumb, confusing name and they've always hated it. It's wild.
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Trump puts people into Tiny Train World irl all the time, it's hilarious.
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Dr Christmas posted:So this dumb thing happened. Trump made a long riff on Peter Meijer's name at a Michigan rally (He's a RINO I guess?), and how it's dumb and confusing that it's pronounced MY-er. So fascinating. This was indeed an event that happened, and is current. I'm curious, though, what is it that you find interesting about this story? Are you actually surprised that a supportive crowd went along with something even though it was stupid?
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It's kind of neat to see it in real time. That thing where people don't have any opinion about something because it's irrelevant to them or their lives, but then it becomes something that they care very deeply about the moment someone mentions it to them in a context where it can be used to declare themselves part of an in-group. Or rather, when it becomes something they can use to declare other people part of an out-group, I guess. It's super common in every day life among peer groups, but trump does seem to be able to hone in on it virtually constantly. Contrasted to the democrats ability to ... not do this, I imagine there's something to be said for memeifying everything. If it becomes something more people can replicate, it'll probably be the mode of political propaganda in the future. But so far it doesn't seem like many people really have the knack for it aside from him.
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Jizz Festival posted:So fascinating. This was indeed an event that happened, and is current. I'm curious, though, what is it that you find interesting about this story? Are you actually surprised that a supportive crowd went along with something even though it was stupid? Saying that poo poo in Michigan where Meijer's is ubiquitous and has been around as a hypermart since before Walmarts creeped in is a weird play. It would be like going to Philly and making fun of WaWas or something like that.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:This also applies to residential buildings. Rents never go down. They do, but only if there is ample housing stock available. Washington D.C. had moderately high housing costs in the 50's, was one of the cheapest places to live in the 80's, and is now one of the most expensive metro areas in the country in 2022. Detroit has a similar trajectory, except it hasn't (and maybe never will) hit the third step of shooting up in price. So, you can lower housing prices and rents, but you either need to build a lot more houses or pull a Detroit and have your city become so unattractive to live in and economically collapse, that over 60% of your population leaves within 20 years and people start giving houses away for free just to get rid of the property tax liability.
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Sekhmnet posted:Saying that poo poo in Michigan where Meijer's is ubiquitous and has been around as a hypermart since before Walmarts creeped in is a weird play. It would be like going to Philly and making fun of WaWas or something like that. I think the kind of person who goes to a Trump rally is essentially a painpig who enjoys being humiliated and scorned, so this would actually work well for him.
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BiggerBoat posted:Several of the cheap grocery stores around here have closed. So have the kid's consignment shops, the local flea market and a few thrift shops. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Wait, I thought you were on the northwest side of the Everglades why are you describing my neighborhood just north of Miami?
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Ershalim posted:It's kind of neat to see it in real time. That thing where people don't have any opinion about something because it's irrelevant to them or their lives, but then it becomes something that they care very deeply about the moment someone mentions it to them in a context where it can be used to declare themselves part of an in-group. Or rather, when it becomes something they can use to declare other people part of an out-group, I guess. This paragraph isolated from the rest of your post could be talking about either a Trump rally or about Democrats talking about a Trump rally.
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e: eh gently caress it, don't want to poo poo up the thread, just give me a 12 hour probe \/\/\/\/\/\/ yeah it's fine, whatever, I'm breaking the rules and you're not so keeping whatever it is you do for whatever reason you do it Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Mellow Seas posted:
Oh, I had a response to that, too; I just thought it'd be superfluous to post. In any case, if you have a problem with what I post, please report it rather than playing Festivus with the rest of us. Thanks!
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The Democratic hit parade is rolling out its tried & true again:quote:As they face a serious enthusiasm gap going into the midterms, some Democrats are quietly reveling in how salacious reports about Trump and his allies — not to mention this week’s sex-and-drugs scandal in the House GOP — could help awaken their base. The two parties are still a long way from November, but Trump and the GOP’s other lightning-rod figures are giving Democrats just the political foil they’ve been looking for as virtually everything else has gone the Republicans’ way. You'd think they'd have ditched the "Don't give them the keys to the car or they'll drive it in a ditch" metaphor that Tim Kaine propagated before the party's record midterm losses of 2010.
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Willa Rogers posted:The Democratic hit parade is rolling out its tried & true again: It sure leads me to believe that a lot of dems have learned absolutely nothing from the Virginia election.
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Srice posted:It sure leads me to believe that a lot of dems have learned absolutely nothing from the Virginia election. Can't learn if you don't want to. https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1510981946473689099 We have two parties tied to capital with different ideologies, and the working people are just along for the ride.
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Daily Madison cawthorn update: https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1510926498068406276?s=21&t=Bj0wueBSOj_otpTbeYbLlg He previously had his drivers license revoked.
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Wasn't sure if I should even bother posting this, because everyone is basically numb at this point and just accepts it to the point that it is no longer news, but 18 people were shot in a mass shooting in California. 6 confirmed dead so far. Shooters still at large. This is the second mass shooting in Sacramento in the last month. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1510594230611238921 quote:At least two shooters opened fire early Sunday in Sacramento in the city’s second mass shooting in five weeks, killing six people and wounding 12 others as bars closed for the night and crowds emptied onto downtown streets, police said. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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