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Jaxyon posted:It probably was the song of growing, but at this point the people have turned it into a mythology that the Song of Growing isn't enough to satisfy. I completely agree with everything in this post.
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So I finally finished Crossroads and am onto Knife of Dreams. Is this a good one? I can’t remember poo poo about it. Rand is still at Algarin’s and I know theres a bigass attack coming up and he spools up some deathgates so that ought to be cool. 
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Hexel posted:So I finally finished Crossroads and am onto Knife of Dreams. Is this a good one? I can’t remember poo poo about it. Rand is still at Algarin’s and I know theres a bigass attack coming up and he spools up some deathgates so that ought to be cool. Yep.
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Hexel posted:So I finally finished Crossroads and am onto Knife of Dreams. Is this a good one? I can’t remember poo poo about it. Rand is still at Algarin’s and I know theres a bigass attack coming up and he spools up some deathgates so that ought to be cool. It slaps mostly Egwene
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Jaxyon posted:It probably was the song of growing, but at this point the people have turned it into a mythology that the Song of Growing isn't enough to satisfy. Think of how disappointed people get when that old video game doesn't excite them like it did when they were ten, only it's rediscovering the Song of Growing and it doesn't return the worldwide peace of the Age of Legends.
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Hexel posted:So I finally finished Crossroads and am onto Knife of Dreams. Is this a good one? I can’t remember poo poo about it. Rand is still at Algarin’s and I know theres a bigass attack coming up and he spools up some deathgates so that ought to be cool. One of my favs, it's the one where Jordan really starts knocking down the dominoes he spent 4 books setting up
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Killer robot posted:Think of how disappointed people get when that old video game doesn't excite them like it did when they were ten, only it's rediscovering the Song of Growing and it doesn't return the worldwide peace of the Age of Legends. I watched and loved the original Voltron series and it was deeply horrible as an adult, so I don't believe that was actually it. I'm still searching bittorent for the REAL Voltron that was cool and awesome and my friend.
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Apr 5, 2022 05:34
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The Netflix Voltron is pretty good, give it a shot.
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Hey so Rand and Moridin did a swapsie at the end, do you think Moridin heard "I have won again, Lews Therin" as he died?
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I'm very much on record not liking the Amazon adaptation for a number of reasons. But that made me think, is there any parts that actually was better than the first book? Logain Moraine Egwene I can't decide Lan being more chill is actually an improvement or not
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Apr 5, 2022 09:29
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Making Liandrin an actual character was a big improvement i felt
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Making Liandrin an actual character was a big improvement i felt This was a big one, yeah, imo. I think the most important part felt less about "doing something better than book one" vs casting people that pulled off absolutely superb versions of what most people had in their heads for the characters. I'm sad that between Mat's actor leaving and COVID that the end of the season was so hosed up, but because the characters are so good I still feel good about what we're going to get going forward.
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Apr 5, 2022 11:38
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I mean, I loved pretty much every second of it, so 🤷
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I liked it in the moment but basically every single thought I've had about the adaptation afterwards has soured me on it. I think I just really wanted it to be good so I was able to paper over problems I was having and that just wasn't true when there wasn't a new episode to look forward to. I loved Logain's acting though, even if I think his inclusion to that extent was probably detrimental overall to the season. I also really enjoyed Thom.
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Shageletic posted:I'm very much on record not liking the Amazon adaptation for a number of reasons. But that made me think, is there any parts that actually was better than the first book? I thought the casting was amazing, but hard to say that's "better than the book". Logain and Padan Fain were definitely improved upon, as characters, IMO. And also I rather preferred the creepy Machin Shin that whispers your own fears and insecurities back into your mind to the violence-porn Machin Shin that rants endlessly about tearing flesh and drinking blood.
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Apr 5, 2022 12:39
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Jordan had a bit of a horror vibe he was trying to exercise especially in the first few books. The show basically ignored it entirely, and I'm fine with that.
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Yeah I mean the dreams where perrin is holding his own bloody eyes, mat has a knife in his chest, etc. The books are actually pretty graphic about that kind of stuff and the show didn't go that route ig
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I liked the village ceremony, and the show-only scene where Nyneave catches Lan at prayers. In the latter scene, the actress really sold the emotional inpact.
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St0rmD posted:I thought the casting was amazing, but hard to say that's "better than the book". Agree with Machin Shin. Just whispering "bloody plaited meat strips" over and over isn't scary. It never really made sense to me why it would drive someone mad unless it was like, days or weeks of exposure. I always felt that the whispers were secondary to just a blanket effect. Which is boring. Also the change to the Tuatha'an was a huge improvement on the book version I felt. They felt a lot more real, like it was a choice by them all to join the way. The book version felt like no one would really do that. Like they're more of a fantasy trope religious order of monks that only the most devoted could even hope to achieve.
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Mostly enjoyed the show as an adaptation. I like show Lan more than book Lan. Thought the last episode was crap but I understand the covid problems.
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I’m torn in TV Lan. He’s definitely a lot more tolerable to watch than repressed edgelord book Lan would have been, so it was probably the right move for the medium, but it means it’s not really going to have the same impact when Lan loses his loving poo poo as it did when book Lan did it. The scene in Shadow Rises when Lan is borderline screaming and a very reasonable Nynaeve acts like butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth is one of the hands down best moments in the series but it needs a lot of irritating build up to get there.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I’m torn in TV Lan. He’s definitely a lot more tolerable to watch than repressed edgelord book Lan would have been, so it was probably the right move for the medium, but it means it’s not really going to have the same impact when Lan loses his loving poo poo as it did when book Lan did it. https://tvline.com/2021/12/04/daniel-henney-performance-the-wheel-of-time-episode-5-lan/ I think he can pull it off.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Making Liandrin an actual character was a big improvement i felt Big agree
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rocketrobot posted:https://tvline.com/2021/12/04/daniel-henney-performance-the-wheel-of-time-episode-5-lan/ It's not a criticism of the actor or his performance. It's that there isn't as big a contrast between "Normal Lan" and "Off the Chain Lan" when "Normal Lan" isn't an emotionless block of stone. Put another way, Daniel Henney was great in that scene for sure, but imagine if that was in Season 5 instead of Episode 5 and previously he was the kind of character that people had arguments about when he was or wasn't feeling any kind of emotion at all. It's absolutely better for the show as a whole to have the Lan we have, but it's also inarguable that the individual moments themselves pay the price for it. At the end of the day it's a question of if the price is worth it, not if there is a price at all.
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rocketrobot posted:https://tvline.com/2021/12/04/daniel-henney-performance-the-wheel-of-time-episode-5-lan/ I disagree, I like that he has more personality but I don’t see him as a walking avatar of death that book Lan is.
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Gambor posted:It's not a criticism of the actor or his performance. It's that there isn't as big a contrast between "Normal Lan" and "Off the Chain Lan" when "Normal Lan" isn't an emotionless block of stone. Book Lan would be a terrible character on the screen and you can write some subtleties into a stoic edgelord like him in text that you simply don't have time or room to build on in the limits of the TV format.
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Gambor posted:At the end of the day it's a question of if the price is worth it, not if there is a price at all. I don't really see it as a price. There's no value in trying to portray book Lan in video because book lan could never exist in that space.
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How many lines does book Lan even have in the first couple books? He's mostly a silently imposing badass.
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Ego Trip posted:How many lines does book Lan even have in the first couple books? He's mostly a silently imposing badass. It's not so much what he says but what impact he has in the PoV character's minds. And as clearly shown in the TV show, that kind of thing works fine in books but is way more subjective when you can't control what the viewer is thinking and their world view.
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CainFortea posted:Agree with Machin Shin. Just whispering "bloody plaited meat strips" over and over isn't scary. It never really made sense to me why it would drive someone mad unless it was like, days or weeks of exposure. I always felt that the whispers were secondary to just a blanket effect. Which is boring. I think the idea was decent but the presentation of 'now a spooky voice will state to the audience exactly what each character's conflict is one by one' was a bit ham handed. Maybe they could have just shown it speaking to one and the others just imply it by their reactions?
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Jaxyon posted:Book Lan would be a terrible character on the screen and you can write some subtleties into a stoic edgelord like him in text that you simply don't have time or room to build on in the limits of the TV format. Agreed, I'm rather firm in the stance that the show is better for the Lan we got. At the same time, there are things you can do with one character that you can't with the other.
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Gambor posted:Agreed, I'm rather firm in the stance that the show is better for the Lan we got. At the same time, there are things you can do with one character that you can't with the other. For example, Lan appearing out of nowhere to surprise Nynaeve. That was so good.
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Book Lan is basically an NPC Thoroughly forgettable and unremarkable.
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Hexel posted:Book Lan is basically an NPC That's not fair. He's the early-game boss you're meant to lose to - anything near him dies.
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My impression of book Lan is entirely based on the audiobook reader's line delivery on sheepherder it's fantastic.
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socialsecurity posted:My impression of book Lan is entirely based on the audiobook reader's line delivery on sheepherder it's fantastic. I am sad that they missed a perfect time for Lan to call him a sheepherder. When they're all meeting up in Tar Valon and Rand goes "Moiraine!" and Lan says "nice to see you too" before punking him.
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I'm 48 chapters into book 5 and I'm ready to quit. I can't handle any more descriptions of dresses and how shameful they are.
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Tokelau All Star posted:I'm 48 chapters into book 5 and I'm ready to quit. I can't handle any more descriptions of dresses and how shameful they are. But book 5 is the best one! Ignore dress descriptions and pay attention to bosoms!
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Tokelau All Star posted:I'm 48 chapters into book 5 and I'm ready to quit. I can't handle any more descriptions of dresses and how shameful they are. Five was the first book that felt like it dragged a little, but that's right at the edge of the climax to the book which is fanastic. 6 is also similarly paced, kinda slow until it hits its top gear and goes wild at the end.
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CainFortea posted:It's not so much what he says but what impact he has in the PoV character's minds. And as clearly shown in the TV show, that kind of thing works fine in books but is way more subjective when you can't control what the viewer is thinking and their world view. I was thinking about how number of lines ties into size of part and casting. Can you get Daniel Henney on silent badass book Lan?
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