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Nope https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2017/08/valet.html http://www.word-detective.com/2010/12/forte/ Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Apr 6, 2022 07:07
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Either way I can look down on you for your poor grasp of etymology. 
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Apr 6, 2022 07:10
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The irony
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Apr 6, 2022 07:12
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I'm not sure how that proves your point since the link you provided"" posted:English adopted the noun “valet” in the 16th century from French and Old French. However, the ultimate source is the Old Celtic term wasso- (young man, squire), which has given us “vassal” and “varlet,” according to John Ayto’s Dictionary of Word Origins. Specifically says that the word 'valet' originated in French. We're not talking about 'varlet'. Wasso, to varlet, to valet is three distinct phases of the word's evolution and the one in question is specifically French. You'll note that the Oxford English Dictionary (which is older, and British focused) lists the pronunciation with a silent t as valid along with the hard t variation. Miriam-Webster, which is focused on American English, also lists both ways. Strict adherence to linguistic prescription isn't something to be proud of anyways, it's how you end up with people saying African-American Vernacular or rez accents are signs of stupidity. If linguistics interest you, consider reading Donald Davidson's "A Nice Derangement of Epitaphs". Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Apr 6, 2022 07:23
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Is this a social experiment? Are you all actually trying to be Twitter right now?
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Apr 6, 2022 07:37
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Gaius Marius posted:They aren't silent Gaius Marius posted:Nope That article literally says the opposite: that "fort", with a silent e, is the technically correct pronunciation. It also says it's irrelevant since most people prefer pronouncing the e with "for-tay" anyway. As long as a mispronunciation cause confusion by making two words sound identical then I really don't see the issue with any of it. It just makes languages more fun.
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Apr 6, 2022 08:16
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There is no "correct pronunciation", languages are alive and people pronouncing words differently from the norm is fine even if it might annoy some nerds on the internet.
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Apr 6, 2022 08:21
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When some British guy says 'Aluminium' instead of 'Aluminum'
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Apr 6, 2022 08:28
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But thats how its spelled! ....in My language at least edit: also relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6lJGD3Q9Qs
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Apr 6, 2022 10:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:I had to shut it off after the tenth time of saying attribute wrong. Had enough of YouTubers not being able to pronounce basic words.
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Apr 6, 2022 10:46
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now that we're all on the same page, can i suggest Alliterative, a channel that explores the branching etymologies of our everyday words https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXGubLQcnAg
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Apr 6, 2022 10:56
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i guarantee half the poo poo people say in their native language is mispronounced from the perspective of some formalized standard or other somewhere
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Apr 6, 2022 13:34
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the actual dumbest poo poo on planet earth to get haughty over lol
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Apr 6, 2022 13:35
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Dan Olson skipping the L in "Gandalf" made his Bakshi video odd to watch. Usually they're saying it like sequence. And yeah I didn't understand why Olson said Gandalf that way. Sarcopenia posted:You are so strong for finally taking a stance and sharing it with us in this thread. Enough is enough! I'm sorry my post upset you like the video upset me.
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Apr 6, 2022 14:25
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Kamrat posted:There is no "correct pronunciation", languages are alive and people pronouncing words differently from the norm is fine even if it might annoy some nerds on the internet. As an example, and perhaps one of the more (in)famous ones, Académie française approach the French language with a perscriptivist viewpoint, and try to dictate how people should speak and write French, which is why you'll find things like the word curriel which translates to email. Of course, that doesn't mean that the French people will follow these - and curriel is one of the words that's quite frankly never really caught on anywhere, even by people who're normally very resistant to using English loan-words in French. Ultimately though, even though there's no correct pronunciation in English, language can be thought of as an aid to understanding and if you're failing to make yourself understood - because you insist on pronouncing words differently from how other people pronounce them, which is your prerogative - then it's not other peoples fault if they don't understand you.
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Apr 6, 2022 14:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cinw63ulsSg Related.
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Apr 6, 2022 14:35
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:
And yet Quebec exists, in spite of the attempts of the aforementioned academy to insist otherwise.
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Apr 6, 2022 14:40
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Certainly the English language is one that is treated as an evolving one by linguists, but that's not true for every langauge. courriel is commonly used in Quebec so is email, pronounced quebecly
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Apr 6, 2022 14:46
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If you want to sound like 17th century backwoods pidgin French look no further than Quebec and the provincial nationalists' raging inferiority complex.
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Apr 6, 2022 15:00
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tracecomplete posted:And yet Quebec exists, in spite of the attempts of the aforementioned academy to insist otherwise. Jordan7hm posted:courriel is commonly used in Quebec
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Apr 6, 2022 15:06
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Certainly the English language is one that is treated as an evolving one by linguists, but that's not true for every langauge. I know that there are academies that try to dictate how certain languages are to be spoken and written. But no matter how hard they try they cannot control how people actually use language, dialects exist because people pronounce words differently and it will keep on being a thing as long as people use languages to communicate. People pronouncing words in a "weird" way doesn't really matter, it shows that the language is alive and not stale. It's good to strive to be understood especially when you're communicating with someone from outside your group but it doesn't really matter in the end, people do people things.
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Apr 6, 2022 15:27
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Certainly the English language is one that is treated as an evolving one by linguists, but that's not true for every langauge. It's courriel, not curriel.
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Apr 6, 2022 15:32
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Hel posted:In general yes, but if they are someone who's spent how many months on a multi hour video, then not doing that minimal work kinda reflects poorly on them. Especially if they are a native speaker. How is anyone going to realize that they're pronouncing something "wrong" though? Like seriously, how often do you recognize that you've never heard a word spoken? It's not really something that occurs to anyone in most circumstances. Also: Kamrat posted:There is no "correct pronunciation", languages are alive and people pronouncing words differently from the norm is fine even if it might annoy some nerds on the internet.
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Apr 6, 2022 17:37
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Puppy Time posted:How is anyone going to realize that they're pronouncing something "wrong" though? Like seriously, how often do you recognize that you've never heard a word spoken? It's not really something that occurs to anyone in most circumstances. The same way you double check anything else that are central to your video, like facts or statistics , by looking it up and double checking rather than just going by what you might have remembered. If a concept keeps coming up, maybe check how it's pronounced during one of the many months you spend on a video. But also whenever a word is used in a nerd context(and attribute for numerical stats is very much a nerd context) you really should be happy to look up the real pronunciation, or else you end up speaking about Irish mythology and their Gay Asses like a surprising amount of people.
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Apr 6, 2022 18:12
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Wow, gently caress ever posting a video on the internet. I'm not double-checking every single word in the script's pronunciation.
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Apr 6, 2022 18:17
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RareAcumen posted:Wow, gently caress ever posting a video on the internet. I'm not double-checking every single word in the script's pronunciation. Yeah, gently caress people having expectations on the thing you want them to spend 5+ hours watching.
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Apr 6, 2022 18:25
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Groovelord Neato posted:Usually they're saying it like sequence. And yeah I didn't understand why Olson said Gandalf that way. 
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Apr 6, 2022 18:25
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Puppy Time posted:How is anyone going to realize that they're pronouncing something "wrong" though? I pronounced "vapid" with a long a until I was 33. No idea why. I'm still not entirely sure how to pronounce "brusque".
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Apr 6, 2022 18:25
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tracecomplete posted:I pronounced "vapid" with a long a until I was 33. No idea why. All my homies say v-aaa-pid I don't care what the official is and, it's totally "brisk"
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Apr 6, 2022 18:27
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Straight from the transporter argument to whether words should be pronounced correctly, how blessed
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Apr 6, 2022 18:42
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The Chad Jihad posted:Straight from the transporter argument to whether words should be pronounced correctly, how blessed Thread for the kids you absolutely dreaded having to sit near in school
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Apr 6, 2022 18:43
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I still don't know how to read a pronunciation guide and I have no intention of learning any time soon. Getting mad at a dude for saying "attribute" incorrectly is a big lol though
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Apr 6, 2022 18:46
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Malpais Legate posted:Getting mad at a dude for saying "attribute" incorrectly is a big lol though nerds on the internet always need a tedious new thing to  about, I guess.
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Apr 6, 2022 18:48
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Dan Olson skipping the L in "Gandalf" made his Bakshi video odd to watch. I would argue those of us over a certain age whose first sound of Gandalf's name was the animated movie (you know, the subject of Dan's video and probably the thing he was watching a lot of) ingrained a lot less pronounced "L". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mkevp17P9s
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Apr 6, 2022 18:49
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Lord Stimperor posted:I'm not really following this thread very actively -- why does it have such a low rating? What kind of drama is going on in here? hey if you were still looking for an answer to this question
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Apr 6, 2022 18:52
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Hel posted:Yeah, gently caress people having expectations on the thing you want them to spend 5+ hours watching. Expecting people to perfectly pronounce everything, all the time, is ridiculous. Everyone makes mistakes occasionally, and we all have blindspots on pronouncing certain words (the whole "I've only ever read it" thing). If you understood what they meant anyway then what's the big deal?
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Apr 6, 2022 18:52
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Hel posted:But also whenever a word is used in a nerd context(and attribute for numerical stats is very much a nerd context) you really should be happy to look up the real pronunciation, or else you end up speaking about Irish mythology and their Gay Asses like a surprising amount of people.
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Apr 6, 2022 18:52
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Shnakepup posted:Expecting people to perfectly pronounce everything, all the time, is ridiculous. Everyone makes mistakes occasionally, and we all have blindspots on pronouncing certain words (the whole "I've only ever read it" thing). If you understood what they meant anyway then what's the big deal? Yes but have you considered that if you acted like a rational human being you wouldn't be able to complain about dumb tedious bullshit on these, the Something Awful Forums???
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Apr 6, 2022 18:56
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attribute is commonly pronounced both ways in reference to video game stats and being a pedant about which syllable you prefer the stress to be on online isn't going to change that personally i pronounce attribute with the stress on the third syllable, softening the doubled t's to be more of a /θ/ sound, and making the i sound more like a /ə/, so that i can really emphasize the butte
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Apr 6, 2022 19:48
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lmao
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Apr 6, 2022 19:54
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