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Also, helping Bruce out reluctantly while vocally disapproving and Bruce being resentful of his common sense because he wants to do what he wants to do seems extremely in-line with a surrogate father.
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live with fruit posted:Yes, Bruce is a childish baby in this movie. He's always a childish baby though. I like that this movie was at least honest about it.
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massive spider posted:Alfred is Bruces employee, even though he raised Bruce there’s still a power dynamic there. Naaaah, the Bruce we get in this movie wouldn’t even know how to fire Alfred and he’d be dead in a week because he forgot to grease the joints of his armor every single day the way Alfred does. Here’s some media literacy for the thread: If a character ever yells “UR NOT MY REAL DAD!” like a whiny teenager at another character, that’s the movie’s way of telling you “THIS IS BASICALLY THEIR REAL DAD”. Bale, Keaton, Clooney, all of them could fire their Alfred’s… Battinson NEEDS his.
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Not much literacy is required since there is a scene in the movie where he literally lays out their emotional relationship- Alfred raised him but laments he wasn't particularly good at it beyond teaching him fighting stuff. Pretty much everything about their dynamic flows logically from that. Including the progression in the movie where a threat on Alfreds life combined with the realisation that Bruce still idealises his dead biodad a little too much drives them to a kind of reconciliation. The point is saying 'he's basically his dad so they SHOULD be close' doesn't really follow. Lots of people aren't even that close to their real dad, let alone the person who is basically their dad but also literally their butler. Theres no reason to assume a bunch of offscreen bonding must have occurred when all the text points to an absence of it. massive spider fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Mar 31, 2022 13:23
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Something i’ve never thought of,michael gough was 72 in batman 89 and 80 in batman and robin (holy poo poo) And michael caine was 72 in batman begins and 79 in tdkr Serkis is the same as jeremy irons (58) was in bvs
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Bust Rodd posted:Naaaah, the Bruce we get in this movie wouldn’t even know how to fire Alfred and he’d be dead in a week because he forgot to grease the joints of his armor every single day the way Alfred does. Clooney goes well out of his way to save Alfred's life.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Something i’ve never thought of,michael gough was 72 in batman 89 and 80 in batman and robin (holy poo poo) Alfred has gone from being a stuffy butler to the cool grizzled ex combat medic uncle
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Mar 31, 2022 14:24
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Doesn't Alfred basically handle the entire rogues gallery in the TV show by himself?
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Mar 31, 2022 19:18
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I have a vague memory of a comic where Alfred is secretly the entire rogue's gallery in disguise as he's realised the clearly disturbed Bruce Wayne needs 'villains' to focus on or he'll become dangerous. They should do that in live action.
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Oh yeah, i heard about that. They're planning to release that as The Bat Man set in the Joker universe. The Bat featuring Manbat as the villain is coming out a month after that to start the DCVCU, and The Batman Returns in the The Batman universe is coming out the following year.
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They may just finally have to admit defeat and say the next one is The Batman 2
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Maxwell Lord posted:They may just finally have to admit defeat and say the next one is The Batman 2 Only if they use Two-Face as the villain.
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The Batman, Too - another studio chasing the multiverse trend
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I'll hold out for a Batman movie about Alfred's early career as a military valet. Can't think of a good name for it, though.
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The Bats, Man
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Meaty Ore posted:I'll hold out for a Batman movie about Alfred's early career as a military valet. Can't think of a good name for it, though. Lol
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Just got back and my immediate impression is that this is another Matt Reeves joint. Cool ideas, stellar cinematography, fearless storytelling, and way too long runtime due to a formless script that was too populated by too many of the director's ideas. I felt the same sort of itchiness watching this as I did the latter Planet of the Movies. Like, for God's sake, kill some of your scenes and converge more plot lines and characters. Like be more ruthless about it. Batman stopped and stalled because Reeves was so intent on following certain narrative threads. The movie ended with the Carmine confrontation. Then the movie ended again with the Riddled capture. Then the movie ended again with the flooding of Gotham. A more disciplined storyteller would have tried converging all those plot points into the same time frame. And a more disciplined director would have cut out Batman going over the same plot points, like from learning about his parents from Carmine then Alfred. But there is a lot to love in this movie and I think it's going to have a long shelf life down the road. It makes Batman and his world cool as hell. Tho Gotham now is just straight up in NYC
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McCloud posted:You could probably shorten the film by 20 minutes just by trimming the fat in a lot of scenes. Like the bit with the bat cage, or the bikes at the end, or the reeeeallly slow walk towards penguins car with the peekaboo at the end What's funny I'm talking about trimming the movie and I absolutely think that walk to the car was essential and so was the batcage stuff lol. That kinda stuff is why this this the best Batman since the Dark Knight at least. Just some amazing and meaning infused scenes that don't contribute to the plot per se but give this movie an amazingly cool sheen.
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I think it’s so funny how many people seem interested or concerned with trimming or making this movie shorter. I don’t get it, I really loved it, I was never really bored, I wanted to see more. Who cares if a movie is 3 hours long, when I go see a movie in a theater, that’s what I’m doing that day, I’m not trying to squeeze a quick 90 minutes of fun in between errands or whatever. Especially when almost every suggestion for an edit is “this long slow scene where we artfully build dramatic tension or help to craft an intricately realized world… get rid of it!” no, dude, just sit down and watch the goddam Batman movie. You’re life isn’t that busy and you ain’t the important, just turn off yo drat phone and zone in to the flick!
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Apr 11, 2022 12:14
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I like this idea that you can trim twenty minutes by taking a couple of seconds out here and there and not by taking out full scenes. Easy peasy.
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For anyone who hasn't caught it yet, WB has confirmed it'll be on HBO Max on the 18th. https://twitter.com/hbomax/status/1513567050303746055
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Bust Rodd posted:I think it’s so funny how many people seem interested or concerned with trimming or making this movie shorter. I don’t get it, I really loved it, I was never really bored, I wanted to see more. Who cares if a movie is 3 hours long, when I go see a movie in a theater, that’s what I’m doing that day, I’m not trying to squeeze a quick 90 minutes of fun in between errands or whatever. Especially when almost every suggestion for an edit is “this long slow scene where we artfully build dramatic tension or help to craft an intricately realized world… get rid of it!” I think most people are saying this because they found large swathes of the movie extremely loving boring.
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live with fruit posted:I like this idea that you can trim twenty minutes by taking a couple of seconds out here and there and not by taking out full scenes. Easy peasy. Just watch it at 1.1x speed at home, bam there's 18 minutes lobbed off!
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live with fruit posted:I like this idea that you can trim twenty minutes by taking a couple of seconds out here and there and not by taking out full scenes. Easy peasy.
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The Snyder Cut could have EASILY been pared down to 3 hours or less. Shooting the ENTIRE Amazon/Steppenwolf fight in slow motion, for example, is the most obvious and egregious waste of time. Slow motion is supposed to enhance the frenetic action of a scene surrounding it, it completely loses all impact when it’s one extended 15 minute sequence happening at 1/3 speed. Likewise Ezra Miller being super creepy to that poor woman in the car accident. How did anyone sign off on that, you don’t have a single loving woman in the writing or production staff to go “uh he’s supposed to be a good guy, don’t make him a creep”
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Bust Rodd posted:The Snyder Cut could have EASILY been pared down to 3 hours or less. Shooting the ENTIRE Amazon/Steppenwolf fight in slow motion, for example, is the most obvious and egregious waste of time. Slow motion is supposed to enhance the frenetic action of a scene surrounding it, it completely loses all impact when it’s one extended 15 minute sequence happening at 1/3 speed. Likewise Ezra Miller being super creepy to that poor woman in the car accident. How did anyone sign off on that, you don’t have a single loving woman in the writing or production staff to go “uh he’s supposed to be a good guy, don’t make him a creep” The song.
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live with fruit posted:The song. The song from that scene and please use the badass cello part of Wonder Woman's theme in place of at least a couple ANCIENT LAMENTATIONs.
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Halloween Jack posted:I would definitely like to cut down Snyder's JL by cutting specific shots and bits out of the action scenes. As long as the women singing to aquaman stays in, I'm good with this.
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I'm adamant that stuff like that should not be cut from the movie. Every part of the movie where it starts to resemble a Hobbit sequel should be cut.
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Yeah I don't think the point is trimming particular scenes, but a larger scale re-edit and narrowing down of plotlines and repetitive events. In my theater, there was a palpable level of fidgeting past the 2 hour mark where someone else was yet again telling Batman about his past.
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I’d cut the part out where Alfred was all, nah Falcone made that stuff up and your dad was cool. It wouldn’t make the movie much shorter but that scene took away any feeling that the movie was doing something interesting with the mystery.
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I still give props to the movie allowing Thomas Wayne to still be negligently responsible for that reporter's death. It's the anti-Iron Man 2.
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ghostwritingduck posted:I’d cut the part out where Alfred was all, nah Falcone made that stuff up and your dad was cool. It wouldn’t make the movie much shorter but that scene took away any feeling that the movie was doing something interesting with the mystery.
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Shageletic posted:Just got back and my immediate impression is that this is another Matt Reeves joint. Cool ideas, stellar cinematography, fearless storytelling, and way too long runtime due to a formless script that was too populated by too many of the director's ideas. Just got back and mostly agree with all of this. Structure and pacing suffered a bit because of the faux endings, they could've/should've been tightened up. Combine stuff, remove scenes, whatever. But there are all those lovingly crafted lingering shots and segments that just ooze atmosphere, world building and character. Soundtrack was cool, footsteps were cool, batmobile was cool, casting was great, production design and cinematography was absolutely stellar. A passionate labor of love. I'm not sure if I'd want to see a sequel, but I liked this take on the character, and I also liked that the film didn't undercut its emotional points.
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Shageletic posted:I still give props to the movie allowing Thomas Wayne to still be negligently responsible for that reporter's death. Yeah, even if Alfred's version is 100% accurate, Thomas Wayne asked a violent mob boss to get a reporter writing a true, if scummy, story to shut up. He really can't claim to be shocked when that ends with the reporter dead, what did he think would happen?
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garycoleisgod posted:Yeah, even if Alfred's version is 100% accurate, Thomas Wayne asked a violent mob boss to get a reporter writing a true, if scummy, story to shut up. He's a doctor, not an oracle!
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The best part of the movie was the martial noise artist look of Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys as the main villain, and somehow the Joker cameo's blurry profiles reminded me of Ray from Trailer Park Boys. Looking forward to The Batman 2: Joker's Piss Jugs.
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This reminded me of bladerunner 2049 visually fantastic to look at, but a long mediocre slog that i have no desire to sit through ever again i also didn't like NWH so everyone that hyped up these two movies are now dead to me, and vice versa i'm sure sidenote, it's inevitable that someone will do a live-action TDKR eventually, right? *long, deep sigh into the void*
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They put the first 10 minutes on YouTube and Batman-as-monster is great. Reeves isn't the first one to go that route but he's done it the best. Giacchino probably deserves a lot of credit.
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