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This section from the economically insecure focus group is interesting, too:quote:Laura Reston: Phyllis, you said we hear a lot of talk and no action. This is for everyone: Tell me about a recent time you heard a Democrat who you feel really got it when talking about the economy, who really understood the challenges we’ve been discussing. Is there someone who comes to mind? And if so, what did they say?
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Not only were the cameras in the train non-functional, but apparently every single camera in both the train and the station the shooter left out of have been broken due to a "malfunction" for an unknown amount of time (probably a long time) and never replaced or fixed. https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1513952299357462539 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:This section from the economically insecure focus group is interesting, too: These articles are so frustrating. It's like if you were sick and the doctor just kept asking you how you want him to fix it. These people don't know and they don't have those answers, that's why they elect politicians who are meant to be the experts who help them.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Not only were the cameras in the train non-functional, but apparently every single camera in both the train and the station the shooter left out of have been broken due to a "malfunction" for an unknown amount of time (probably a long time) and never replaced or fixed. The one officer in the station’s radio wasn’t working either per NYT. Either this dude got really lucky or…well, you know.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Danny is a 47-year old realtor born in America. Okay, yeah - he's full of poo poo. There's probably a good rule of thumb that every hour over 40 any professional* self-reports is probably about 10-15 minutes. "I work 80 hours a week!" = I work 48 hours a week, and avoid seeing my family as much as possible. * It's very different for people who work multiple low-wage jobs, where if they tell you they work 70 hours a week they are probably telling the truth. (And too exhausted to participate in focus groups for shits and giggles.) Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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I feel like if you had a time machine and a universal translator you could go to any civilization, any time period, and bump into a group of old men bitching that young men's fashion these days is too girly
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I want to see what it is like to live in this man's world where nobody is talking about Trump or Biden. Going back to this bc I took a way different meaning from it than you did going by the excerpt: quote:Michael: I live in Orlando, and when we moved here, it was a beautiful place. Now, right down the street, people are stealing stuff, breaking into cars. And it’s difficult to engage, because you’re afraid that no matter what you say, somebody’s going to take offense to it, even though you may just be wanting to ask a valid question and understand something. He's not saying that literally nobody is talking about Trump or Biden; he's pointing out that political affiliation is so emotionally fraught these days you can't hold a convo about Trump or Biden without being attacked for your opinion. Polls show that political sorting is at its highest peak in modern history, and I reckon that especially people who aren't always on top of the latest FoxNews/MSNBC tropes are leery of being judged harshly for their opinions or voting choices.
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Gumball Gumption posted:These articles are so frustrating. It's like if you were sick and the doctor just kept asking you how you want him to fix it. These people don't know and they don't have those answers, that's why they elect politicians who are meant to be the experts who help them. And it's meant to frame the fix for this situation as an unknowable answer. In fact, if the people ever figured out the answer themselves, the politicians would do everything in their power to discourage them from doing anything about it.
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The NYT focus group project really is amazing. I have no idea how they collect these people, but some of them seem like they are written for a comedic satire. - The black agnostic conservative who thinks systemic racism ended in 1972 and that agnostic conservatives have the hardest lives in America. - The lady who says she had 3 family members die from Covid, but is still mad that Biden didn't open up restaurants and stores fast enough (despite Biden not being the one who shut them down) and that he still talks about Covid too much. - Whatever this actor in rural southern Virginia is doing to make $50,000 a year. - The black lady who had never voted for a Republican before who voted for Youngkin because she thought CRT was going to teach her kids to hate America. - The guy who says that a black woman shouldn't be on the Supreme Court because only the most qualified people should be on the court and has no idea why people call him racist. - The guy in his 30's who says American culture and society is unrecognizable to the country he grew up in. - The woman who has spent 7 months trying to find chicken breasts. - The Biden supporter who said he thought Biden was smart because he is the first President to not have an ivy league degree in 40 years. - The lady who said she hated Trump, hated Trump's policies, hated the Republican party, and complains that everyone just votes for superficial reasons who voted for Youngkin and gets mad when people say he has similar policies to Trump because he "wears a sweater" and "talks very politely and listens," so he can't have policies like Trump. - The guy who thinks Biden is a black supremacist who is ashamed of his race. - The guy who thinks society is too feminized, but also worries that some men are becoming so macho they have become gay. I guess weirdos must be especially drawn to participate in focus groups. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- Whatever this actor in rural southern Virginia is doing to make $50,000 a year.
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Gumball Gumption posted:These articles are so frustrating. It's like if you were sick and the doctor just kept asking you how you want him to fix it. These people don't know and they don't have those answers, that's why they elect politicians who are meant to be the experts who help them. Yeah, and this is why I think mocking participants & being sardonic about their replies is politically counterproductive, in addition to sounding tone-deaf & elitist. From the intro summary to the teen focus group: quote:The 12 teenagers were tentative at first, silent after a focus group moderator asked how they felt about high school today. Charlotte, a 17-year-old from Pennsylvania, broke the ice after eight seconds: “I would say stressed.” Others followed along similar lines, though a few also said “normal” and “safe” — not the words that usually jump to mind about school, but this is Covid-era, post-virtual-learning school we’re talking about. Spoilers: quote:Margie Omero: One last question. Let’s say you were having a conversation with your 30-year-old self or your 40-year-old self. What would you want to know? What would you ask your 40-year-old self? 
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Yeah, the 37-year-old who said this isn't the country he grew up in got me. I'm 37, and this is exactly the loving country we grew up in. (I guess there's just more of everything in general, everything that was coming around when I was a kid/teen is just really prominent now in politics and the economy.) Except now you get yelled at if you say f-slur, so yeah, I guess that's different from how I grew up.
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CellBlock posted:Yeah, the 37-year-old who said this isn't the country he grew up in got me. I'm 37, and this is exactly the loving country we grew up in. (I guess there's just more of everything in general, everything that was coming around when I was a kid/teen is just really prominent now in politics and the economy.) In the good old days Squidbillies was on comedy central and you couldn't make that show today because the kids would get too offended
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The NYT focus group project really is amazing. I have no idea how they collect these people, but some of them seem like they are written for a comedic satire. Selection & screening of focus-group participants is a highly structured process in itself. I reckon the participants are a pretty accurate represention of at least a meaningful portion of the demographic for which they're screening--especially given that we're a nation of transpartisan dumbasses.
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Mellow Seas posted:My best guess: Works at Colonial Williamsburg. He says that he "has never had a recurring paycheck" in his life. So, there is apparently a thriving and well-paying theater scene that keeps him employed with enough one-time acting jobs to make $50k.
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Bishyaler posted:And it's meant to frame the fix for this situation as an unknowable answer. In fact, if the people ever figured out the answer themselves, the politicians would do everything in their power to discourage them from doing anything about it. It reminds me of the pass-the-buck strategy that's been used by 21st-century Dems under the guise of quoting FDR's "make me do it." No; I'm not getting paid two hundo large/year + bennies to show up at my job half a year & kiki for the cameras. That's your job and we're your bosses. Keep it cute or you'll
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Gilbert Gottfried just died at 67. Family didn't disclose the reason, but said he had "been battling a long illness" and that the death was an unexpected rapid worsening of the condition. https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1513971136240959500
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Mr Hootington posted:Yeah and it was zillow.
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cat botherer posted:Those formulas are pure sophistry To be fair, the random person in the tweet is also just making up bullshit. If you read the paper, they are basically creating their own "adjustment" based on online list prices of houses and cars. Which are not an accurate measure of inflation for many reasons, but the biggest and most obvious ones are: - Nobody ever pays MSRP for a new car. - A list price on a house is not what it sells for. - Redfin.com does not encompass all real estate sales. I like that they just threw in a picture of a differential calculus problem with a no context/nonsense variable value because they assumed that most people would see that and assume "long calculus = smart. This checks out." Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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cat botherer posted:Those formulas are pure sophistry Friend if you think that about the formulas, might I interest you in googling "owner's equivalent rent"?
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The only correct thing is Danny mentioning people driving like self-absorbed shitheads and ME ME ME GET OFF MY ROAD! 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The NYT's new project to do monthly focus groups of random Americans is a journalistic treasure. Sometimes, it is very interesting and sometimes it is very hilarious. This one leans a little towards the latter. Really? A racially-diverse lineup of well-off retirees and white-collar workers seems like exactly what the NYT Opinion section would aim for. It's the perfect demographic spread to portray a sympathetic view of the group to the NYT's primary audience. That said, it's still basically bringing Trump Safari in-house. So while it's pretty funny, and it's a good reminder that voters are often more ideologically chaotic than we tend to give them credit for, I'm still annoyed at the NYT about it.
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The two fake DHS/Secret Service bribing guys are allowed to go free until their trial (with a few restrictions) because the prosecutors still haven't been able to figure out what they were trying to achieve or who they work for. One of them has 4 kids and wife who is "immobile" because she just had surgery and he needs to be released to care for them. They can't leave the country, possess guns, pickup any criminal charges, or miss any court dates. https://twitter.com/SarahNLynch/status/1513973592677101568
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:One of them has 4 kids and wife who is "immobile" because she just had surgery and he needs to be released to care for them. Did they glean this when they sat him down across the table from The Bobs who prompted him with, "And what would you say radicalized you?"
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Main Paineframe posted:So while it's pretty funny, and it's a good reminder that voters are often more ideologically chaotic than we tend to give them credit for, I'm still annoyed at the NYT about it. Think about the stupidest person you interact with on a daily basis, then recoil in horror as you realize that as someone who uses the word "ideologically", that they are actually close to the median.
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Main Paineframe posted:Really? A racially-diverse lineup of well-off retirees and white-collar workers seems like exactly what the NYT Opinion section would aim for. It's the perfect demographic spread to portray a sympathetic view of the group to the NYT's primary audience. What was particularly "sympathetic" about the conservative participants' replies? Also, as pointed out, it's one of a series of focus groups the NYT is sponsoring. Why are you annoyed about this one, or are you annoyed in general with focus groups? eta: I will posit, not in particular response to you but in general, that I think focus-group answers tend to rile people up bc they're unfiltered, and fb- or twitter-style algorithms don't hide them from view for those who hold opposing beliefs. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:eta: I will posit, not in particular response to you but in general, that I think focus-group answers tend to rile people up bc they're unfiltered, and fb- or twitter-style algorithms don't hide them from view for those who hold opposing beliefs. I'd argue it's almost the opposite - FB shovels you opposite beliefs, but usually on some sort of line or message. At least the one focus group seems pretty scattershot about what they're saying Though I'm glad we can all agree that Jason Statham and Denzel Washington are the pinnacles of masculinity
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I think the focus groups are really interesting because you can let people answer open-ended questions and expand upon their reasoning. Even though, they are admittedly not very scientific. With polling questions people could have nuanced (or crazy) reasoning behind their answers that you can't really pick up in a yes or no question. In this case, if you were getting a random or representative sample of "conservative men," then you probably wouldn't end up with a group that is 20% black, almost all college grads, and almost all upper-income like this group.
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Yeah, the utility of focus-group testing is in hearing people's reasoning & unfiltered opinions. I'm thinking of that one focus-group NYT story we discussed a few months ago that had the NYT editor challenging participants' opinions that were critical of Dems. That went against every focus-group standard there is about not influencing or challenging participants' views. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Danny is a 47-year old realtor born in America. Making a ton of money and being insanely whiny about it are both staples of working in property sales/rental
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The two fake DHS/Secret Service bribing guys are allowed to go free until their trial (with a few restrictions) because the prosecutors still haven't been able to figure out what they were trying to achieve or who they work for. They still don't know how they got all of that poo poo yet, but it has to be that they are affiliated with some kind of state actor
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Willa Rogers posted:What was particularly "sympathetic" about the conservative participants' replies? Sympathetic to the NYT's core audience of affluent and highly-educated centrist-liberals, I mean. The typical Trump Safari article goes to a 99%-white town far from a city to interview random older blue-collar workers and retired blue-collar workers, playing into the typical "wealthy Northeastern liberal" idea that most conservatives are just uneducated white rednecks. By contrast, this article selected a majority-minority grouping composed almost entirely of white-collar jobs, many of which require a college degree. That's a grouping that appeals a lot more to the sensibilities of the NYT's traditional audience. And frankly speaking, I don't trust the motives of the NYT Opinion team, and that includes Deputy Opinion Editor Patrick Hawley, author of articles like A Republican Leader's Idea For Our Supply Chain Crisis (which is just a multi-paragraph lineup of excuses for letting Josh Hawley write an article for the Opinion section) or How Conservatives Think About George Floyd’s Death and BLM. The guy loves focus groups, certainly, but a newspaper's Opinion section running focus groups just to print transcripts as Opinion pieces raises some concerns about the methodology.
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selec posted:The one officer in the station’s radio wasn’t working either per NYT. If you want to call this a false flag, just say that then instead of vague insinuations.
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GoutPatrol posted:If you want to call this a false flag, just say that then instead of vague insinuations. I have no idea what happened. Most parsimonious theory would be a lone shooter with a hoard of grievances. But after Epstein’s murder, nothing would surprise me from NYC law enforcement.
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I mean we have people writing multiple page reports of possible catastrophic bridge collapses, and then years later the bridge collapses and it's like "My god, who knew this could happen!", which I can only imagine is going to come out about the cameras.
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First cop on the scene at the shooting had a non-functioning radio and asked bystanders to call 911. NYPD budget is about $11,000,000,000
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Jaxyon posted:First cop on the scene at the shooting had a non-functioning radio and asked bystanders to call 911.
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GoutPatrol posted:If you want to call this a false flag, just say that then instead of vague insinuations. false flag implies a lot more intentionality than the most common you know in question. there's a fairly common strand you see in poo poo like this, most prominent recent examples being Dzhokar Tsarnaev and whoever the guy who went on a shooting spree with a duffel bag full of cash up in Canada was, where someone has been cultivated as a source by law enforcement and as a result response is not just slow, initial responders are told "shut the gently caress up, you want to get us into trouble again?" law enforcement's habit of using unhinged vigilantes as proxies bites it in the rear end a lot, and hearing this guy was wearing some dumbass high-vis uniform? as long as we're still just vomiting uninformed theories into the void, seems sensible as any.
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Yeah, I don't think the "you know" is implying false flag, just that for some reason or another police were sympathetic enough to let him get free. I'm doubtful but it's also not a very weird thing to wonder considering it's happened. Incompetence makes more sense right now though.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Not only were the cameras in the train non-functional, but apparently every single camera in both the train and the station the shooter left out of have been broken due to a "malfunction" for an unknown amount of time (probably a long time) and never replaced or fixed. I think I speak for everyone who's lived in/is from NYC when I say "lol there are supposed to be working cameras on the trains?"
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