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Kale
May 14, 2010

YoshiOfYellow posted:

It would be fine if the dialogue didn't run around in circles for 10 minutes to say something that could be condensed into like 5 minutes or less. There's a lot of meandering and flavorless prose.

The actual story content is usually cool and fun but it's so drat dense to get to the point a lot of the time.

This game is like entry level on that front compared to some other popular Visual Novel stuff out there but it definitely does do that at times.

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Mang Tomas
Jan 9, 2007
A quick weapon banner question: would you pull for the weapon banner now if you got an Ayaka, Ayato and Venti or wait for the mistsplitter which is the Best 5 star with a potentially bad 2nd weapon?

How good is the current weapon banner? I really missed out on Homa + Gravestone and I doubt they will have that next weapon banner.

Is the Ayato weapon good for Ayaka too? I know it’s crit rate but my only weapon on her is the R5 Anemona. I want a good upgrade for my Ayaka and I just lucked into a Ayato on my 50/50 roll but not sure I he will be on my abyss teams for a while. I know elegy is really good on my venti so I might just focus on that weapon instead.

Im now realizing that most new C0 5* units won’t be an upgrade to my abyss freeze and raiden national teams so getting the weapons now is the priority.

Also is C1 Ayaka not worth it as an upgrade?

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Mang Tomas posted:

A quick weapon banner question: would you pull for the weapon banner now if you got an Ayaka, Ayato and Venti or wait for the mistsplitter which is the Best 5 star with a potentially bad 2nd weapon?

How good is the current weapon banner? I really missed out on Homa + Gravestone and I doubt they will have that next weapon banner.

Is the Ayato weapon good for Ayaka too? I know it’s crit rate but my only weapon on her is the R5 Anemona. I want a good upgrade for my Ayaka and I just lucked into a Ayato on my 50/50 roll but not sure I he will be on my abyss teams for a while. I know elegy is really good on my venti so I might just focus on that weapon instead.

Im now realizing that most new C0 5* units won’t be an upgrade to my abyss freeze and raiden national teams so getting the weapons now is the priority.

Also is C1 Ayaka not worth it as an upgrade?
The ayato weapon is not good for Ayaka. It has a fat crit rate substat and Strayer Ayaka cannot use more than 40 crit rate. It only gives fat buffs to normal attacks and most of Ayaka's damage is skill+burst. Elegy is however much better than unforged.

Mistsplitter is best weapon for Ayaka by a lot and it is quite good on Ayato. C1 Ayaka does nothing except serve as bait for her meaningful constellations (2, 3, and 4). Mistsplitter Ayaka is a pretty meaningful upgrade because of how her comps work, haran Ayato is mostly for fun.

If you arent desperately bored I recommend skipping both. Weapon banner is mostly a way to gamble with deadlier stakes if you have some extra rolls. You really don't want to get into a position where you're chasing your third weapon pity like ever.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 13, 2022

Shinji2015
Aug 31, 2007
Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

Kale posted:

Hangouts are the thing I'm furthest behind on cause I admit they dont entirely do it for me. In Japan they dont even make pretense of it and just call them date events. Some are a bit amusing like the Noelle one, others like Chongyun I'm not so sure.

I'm fine with calling them hangouts as a catch-all; some characters like Barbara definitely want to date you, but others like Bennett just want to go and have an adventure with you.

AG3 posted:

Agreed. We need more content where Paimon's presence doesn't render the MC's existence superflous.

I'm not a game designer so I might be missing something obvious, but I don't get the logic behind having a main character that has no personality and also no way for you to project your own personality through them (in a way that the game responds to), while simultaneously having an NPC character there who only exists to do all the interacting and personality projection that in most games the MC (and/or player) does. Like I can see a use case for a silent protagonist even if I don't like them much, but I think the whole point is defeated when you instead replace it with an omnipresent loudmouth NPC who does nothing but talk all day.

Paimon's meant to save time and money by allowing Mihoyo to not have to record double the lines whenever they record dialogue, while also serving to recap the player on events they might have forgotten about. It's not a choice I like, but I get it; not everyone plays the game regularly or is that invested in the story, so they need a way to make sure players know what's going on and Paimon's it. I am with you, though, in that I'd like Traveler to have more agency in the storyline and interact more, even if Paimon's the only character your choices affect.

If nothing else, it'd be nice if they gave Traveler dialogue in non-spoken events. I get not letting Traveler talk during dialogue with spoken lines, but there's nothing wrong with letting them tell off a cookie-cutter NPC instead of Paimon doing it for them

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

I understand that for a lot of the content, but they didn't even give the twins voiced dialogue when literally talking to each other. They had to bring them both in for the lines for the other side, why not just have them have a voiced conversation!?

AG3
Feb 4, 2004

Ask me about spending hundreds of dollars on Mass Effect 2 emoticons and Avatars.

Oven Wrangler
Hey, the traveler did get one voiced line in this patch, which in my case was the word "onii-chan..." during a cutscene in the Chasm. We're getting there! :v:

Incoherence
May 22, 2004

POYO AND TEAR

Garrand posted:

I understand that for a lot of the content, but they didn't even give the twins voiced dialogue when literally talking to each other. They had to bring them both in for the lines for the other side, why not just have them have a voiced conversation!?
There's also occasional dialogue which refers to the Traveler as he/him or she/her, and in that case clearly they had whatever VA is speaking record both versions of the line, and other dialogue where they wrote around having to do this (the Traveler's pronouns become "the Traveler").

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



ninjoatse.cx posted:

I think the hardest content in the game is the hangouts. Has anyone here unlocked them and finished them all? I have 3 1/2 left.

the ning one feels like it's 3x as long as the other ones and it hurts

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Shinji2015 posted:


Paimon's meant to save time and money by allowing Mihoyo to not have to record double the lines whenever they record dialogue, while also serving to recap the player on events they might have forgotten about.

Save money? They record new dialogue with both genders across all the languages every patch, they are literally not saving money because of this decision. This is a decision they hard made and think it's best.

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?

Mix. posted:

Ive always liked the story in these events so Ive never understood the complaint that theres too much story :v:

There isn't too much story. There's too much repeated text, too much waiting for animations, too many "Well I could tell you, but first lets go somewhere else that is between two fast travel points" bits, and just way too much padding in general. Everything is a two sentence plot stretched out to a novel. It's been the same ever since 2.0 dropped.

Stack that on top of only being able to skip quest requirements the first day, so for day two I had to clear Ayato's quest and day three required Yae. On top of slogging through those backed up story quests I had to get through the rather boring event quest chain and then I could do the event stuff. Concentrating it all into a few days so I can get the event rewards is far more annoying than when it's spread out.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

I'm just here to cheer on yoimiya and klee

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

i'm glad they put in an abyss easy enough to 36* just for me, to make a triumphant return from months of not bothering

ayato overvape with haran is truly disgusting, gotta be that crowned skill + crowned pyronado

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
I found 12-2-2 to be disgusting, but the only thing more enraging is trying to panic quit 12-3-2 while ganyu's burst is going and you realize the timer is at 7:02 and it's not going to trigger cryo twice in that time, and failing as you win at 6:59.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




I know very little about game development, I sort of remember someone saying that Genshin's kinda jank because they're using I think Unity and it's generally a nightmare to get to do what you want it to. What's a better engine, if anyone has any insight?

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

i think it was something like

12-1: handful of resets on 1, breezed 2
12-2: breezed 1, single reset on 2
12-3: couple resets on 1, cleared 2 by a second

Bennett creates about as many problems as he solves in those sets of rooms, i feel like. covering you in pyro for 12-1-1 to react negatively with and having awful healing for 12-3-1's burn effects

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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RareAcumen posted:

I know very little about game development, I sort of remember someone saying that Genshin's kinda jank because they're using I think Unity and it's generally a nightmare to get to do what you want it to. What's a better engine, if anyone has any insight?

Unity and Unreal are the two biggest / most popular engines for game development, with Unity in the #1 spot. There's a helluva lot of games running on it that aren't jank.

Kale
May 14, 2010

I'm like 72 pulls into 50/50 and still no 5 star. I've won the last 2 or 3 50/50s so I feel like my luck is close to running out and for the first time I'm considering buying crystals. :(

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
well, if you lose it, your consolation prize will be guaranteed yelan. Depends on how you feel about that.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
Does Ayato use an HP sands or is that mechanic a trap?

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

gandlethorpe posted:

Does Ayato use an HP sands or is that mechanic a trap?
It's a trap, it's slightly less dmg on normals than atk% and doesn't affect burst. 7% HP adds 42 damage to Ayato's pre-crit/damage for each hit at talent level 10, which is what roughly what 5% atk adds (assuming black sword base atk)

The main effect of the mechanic is that a talent 10 ayato with 4 stacks has a normal buff very roughly equal to ~80% atk (factoring in flower), meaning that you want crit over atk even more than usual similar to how noelle and itto work. This is also the reason Bennett doesnt buff him as much as you might expect him to while kazuha adds his usual 50% and yunjin does her thing admirably, and why 10% dmg from HoD can so often outperform the 18% atk from glad.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Apr 14, 2022

Kale
May 14, 2010

No Wave posted:

well, if you lose it, your consolation prize will be guaranteed yelan. Depends on how you feel about that.

Probably maybe not too bad since by the sound of things shes going to be pretty solid.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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Kale posted:

I'm like 72 pulls into 50/50 and still no 5 star. I've won the last 2 or 3 50/50s so I feel like my luck is close to running out and for the first time I'm considering buying crystals. :(

72 isn't even unlucky or worse than average though? You don't even go above 0.6% chance until the 74th pull.

If you're the type of person to whip out the credit card on a whim due to bad luck you shouldn't trust yourself around gacha games. That's the exact kind of sucker they prey on.
If you're gonna spend money, plan your max budget in advance instead of doing it in the moment. And remember that only 90/180 rolls is actually guaranteed, so if you budget for less than that you need to keep in mind that you're gambling and be prepared to walk away without the 5* you were rolling for instead of throwing more money past your budget at it.

Kale
May 14, 2010

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

72 isn't even unlucky or worse than average though? You don't even go above 0.6% chance until the 74th pull.

If you're the type of person to whip out the credit card on a whim due to bad luck you shouldn't trust yourself around gacha games. That's the exact kind of sucker they prey on.
If you're gonna spend money, plan your max budget in advance instead of doing it in the moment. And remember that only 90/180 rolls is actually guaranteed, so if you budget for less than that you need to keep in mind that you're gambling and be prepared to walk away without the 5* you were rolling for instead of throwing more money past your budget at it.

I'm not though I said for the first time I'm considering it. I severely doubt its going to happen though as its just terrible value to me even with the bonus double crystals and 90 pull cap for a 5 star.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I have to say after writing the above post I'm even more impressed with Ayato's design. He benefits more from flat buffs like Yunjin while Yoimiya's insane talent multipliers benefit more from atk buffs. They managed to go to that level of differentiation between the two normal attack specialists.

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one
I did the maths for my Ayato electro-charged comp and determined the r2 Black Sword deals significantly better average dmg than the r3 Lion's Roar. Tested on both 2-1 slimes and lvl 90 enemies in a domain with the same results.

My crit rate is actually too high using the black sword (76%) so it's highly likely that anyone else will see even better returns with the black sword on Ayato. Still, if you have an r5 Lion's Roar and an r1 Black Sword that might be enough to tip the scale in favor of Lion's Roar. Not sure how Ayato's HP buffs work or even when. I repeated single-attacks with his skill using dash-cancels inbetween attacks until I had a consistent highest crit and highest non-crit value.

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013
The duel part of the event is pretty fun. The loving dog got me the first time I tried it on hard :argh:.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

The last two took me forever to do and I couldn't for the life of me to the last one on Dire. The parry mechanic is a neat idea that I wish they actually implemented properly into the game beyond Beidou's skill but the execution of it felt off.

The Ikebana thing wasn't that great. I didn't mind trying to follow the clues in the picture but it gives you the solution so quickly and then you just follow that and.. done. Okay?

Tower defense once again sucked horribly.

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013
Against Taroumaru the main thing is to understand the mechanic. They explain things in a strange way as always, but you just attack/parry until he does the two-part move. It's fine if you don't parry the first hit, the second one where he spins with a huge delay is easy once you've seen the timing. Then parrying that knocks him down which is your main damage source.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

Redmark posted:

Against Taroumaru the main thing is to understand the mechanic. They explain things in a strange way as always, but you just attack/parry until he does the two-part move. It's fine if you don't parry the first hit, the second one where he spins with a huge delay is easy once you've seen the timing. Then parrying that knocks him down which is your main damage source.

Ahh okay. I mostly just avoided it because somehow it read to me as un-parryable.

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one
You don't have to beat the dog to get the rewards. Just finish a battle with him without quitting. Die with honor or run out of time.

I rate this event 0/10. I already have c6 XQ so it doesn't really matter.


The Chasm is excellent though, really enjoying exploring there.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



I also have c6 xq. do you get starglitter or something when you send the invitation?

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

It's the same as pulling him on a banner.

Incoherence
May 22, 2004

POYO AND TEAR
That one isn't the bad one; you probably know where to find 4 Inazuma flowers already.

The bad one is the next one.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Such a task is nothing. I used to pick 100 mondstadt and 100 liyue regional specialties every week.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

No Wave posted:

Such a task is nothing. I used to pick 100 mondstadt and 100 liyue regional specialties every week.

Same. And I made it a point to get enough of those drat mushrooms so I could take Klee from 1- 90 when I got her.

and then then I didn't get her!

Neither loving time!

And I may just miss her again if she runs opposite Yoimiya.

fuckin' bullshit

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I just finished all the event content. I enjoyed it and it was fun seeing a large variety of characters interacting with each other (particular Albedo and Venti being there - Venti is by far the best Archon).

Pretty lucrative, too. Lots of money and talent mats.

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

I'm gonna work on Yunjin now that I have Ayato at 80 with decent progress I think.

Now my main question would be artifact set. Seemingly Husk is the obvious choice to really maximize Yunjin's DEF and thus her unique buff but would Noblesse be worth considering for the ATK boost effect? Not sure how the math works out there.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
She wants pure def. Like shenhe excepr with def.

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YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

I was more thinking of the 4pc Noblesse party wide ATK buff going to Ayato and whether that would outweigh the higher DEF for Yunjin's thing.

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