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Omnicarus posted:I found the tutorial campaign far more enjoyable than the main campaign and I would've liked more campaign structures like that as opposed to the chaos realms campaigns.
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Has there ever been a case of a strategy game adding in multiple layers where the extra layers weren't really annoying to toggle between and keep track of?
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Apr 14, 2022 08:41
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These endgame soulrace cinematics are so poo poo "Good job Cathay, you defeated the bad demon. Oh your sister? The reason you did all this in the first place? Well she's not here, maybe she's somewhere else? Good luck!"
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Apr 14, 2022 09:22
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Kanos posted:I played tons of Vortex campaigns at TWW2 launch and had a fair bit of fun, especially once I figured out that you could just ignore the entire mechanic if you didn't want to deal with it. At least with the new patch you can basically do that for the current campaign. Just ignore the chaos mechanics, chuck a protection building in every province you can't be arsed to defend and go krump some nerds.
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Apr 14, 2022 09:47
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I liked my Boris run in this game, even if the early game and getting used to WH3's new stuff took a while, but if I had chosen to start with Cathay instead...I definitely would've had a significantly warmer outlook on this game. Their roster, characters, and starting situation are so much more...I dunno, realized, I guess, than Kislev's. That said, for all my dislike of how monolithic Kislev's early game is, I kinda had a realization: I feel like holes in the Kislev roster are meant to be filled by allied units. Think about it: Kislev starts very close to friendly nations in the form of Dwarfs and the Empire, and your biggest weakness is probably the lack of accessible and good artillery, which both the Empire and Dwarfs can solve. The myriad of issues with this, of course, is getting outposts up, hoping or having to actively make sure they don't get wrecked, and hoping the AI actually builds the recruitment buildings you want it to. To put it into perspective, though: one of my favorite plays in the entirety of the Total War series was getting an outpost set up with Ungrim as Boris and then pairing my 4 Streltsy gunline with 4 Thunderers. This resulted in the coolest fuckin' gunline I've seen (yes, Streltsy can shoot over dwarf heads, this was even more impressive than a Skryre heavy weapons platoon) with Ice and Tempest magic support lighting up so many demons during the final battle; a level of synergy I couldn't even imagine in the older games. It was really, really cool seeing all those elements come together. I imagine Kislev could really do with like, a starting outpost and alliance with a friendly faction, so you can take advantage of that new mechanic ASAP. In contrast, Cathay is very distant from potential friendlies that aren't of its faction and generally has to hope they survive and prosper without its interference.
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As Cathay the real pro tip is to kill everyone who isn't the skaven, give them one province that you don't give a poo poo about and recruit them. I also had Orcs in my cathay campaign but they loving bailed on me one turn before the final battle.
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At 400 hours I no longer enjoy minor settlement fights but they were fun at first. I guess I allowed myself to enjoy the new elements before I focused on what's bad. It's the pathing for me. You have to babysit every unit just to get it to do what you want too much. My current issues with the game is that too many of the mods are almost what I want but not quite every single time. Such as allowing demonic diplomacy. Ooops, nope. It's not just that. Your nurglings are on Etsy. You trade too. And you can't load old saves unless you have the mods exact. Or navigate the save menu to delete saves. Just got to wait for DLC team. And a mod that makes minors field battles only without walls like the old days instead of a 100% chance or a 50% chance.
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Apr 14, 2022 12:48
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Has there ever been a case of a strategy game adding in multiple layers where the extra layers weren't really annoying to toggle between and keep track of? No. It’s one of those things that is commonly asked for but is almost always a detriment to the game if added.
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orangelex44 posted:No. It’s one of those things that is commonly asked for but is almost always a detriment to the game if added. I remember didn't minding it in Age of Wonders an HoMM.
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toasterwarrior posted:I liked my Boris run in this game, even if the early game and getting used to WH3's new stuff took a while, but if I had chosen to start with Cathay instead...I definitely would've had a significantly warmer outlook on this game. Their roster, characters, and starting situation are so much more...I dunno, realized, I guess, than Kislev's. For Immortal Empires I could see it happening with Franz and Thorgrim since Empire/Dwarves had a very long history, or maybe Teclis starting with an outpost on Gelts starting province. I would also like to see more thematic and flexible ways to get confederations or outposts. Getting back to Kislev, after you unify there's not much to use Devotion on. Perhaps you could spend 200×number of outposts to instantly slap down one you have at least nonagression treaty with, or use it to help with obtaining settlements from friendly neighbors.
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Apr 14, 2022 13:36
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toasterwarrior posted:To put it into perspective, though: one of my favorite plays in the entirety of the Total War series was getting an outpost set up with Ungrim as Boris and then pairing my 4 Streltsy gunline with 4 Thunderers. This resulted in the coolest fuckin' gunline I've seen (yes, Streltsy can shoot over dwarf heads, this was even more impressive than a Skryre heavy weapons platoon) oh my god
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I'm playing as Kislev, and got Dwarf allies, and the second thunderers become available I'm doing it in most of my stacks! I just need to grab one of the eastern mountain faction units, since those northern ones don't look too surviveable.
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hey hey hey Leadbelchers fire over dwarf heads too just saying and humans
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Raygereio posted:Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic style map layers would have been neat. And something like underground roads would have been a better representation of the underway that the teleport stance we got. It would take a lot of work, but when modding tools are released, I wonder if it would be possible to change demon realms into a underway layer.
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Apr 14, 2022 14:41
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The real question is how do dwarves in the Thunderer units feel about being recruited just so that humans with their lovely muskets can fire over their heads. Like are they ok with it, or is that a minor grudge?
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lmao that we got this stupid marketing video out of nowhere today instead of a roadmap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=senV4ZCKm4Y
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Thorgrim and Franz starting with outposts in respective capitals makes sense. A slightly more "freeform " way to do it for Kislev could be to have an event that fires at some point that let's you pick a few different factions that you can get a huge relationship boost with (or turn it down for some other faction benefit). It wouldn't keep the AI from beating you to the outpost building, though I suppose you could have events for that too, but you could get there. I still havent tried it but in theory gifting Hellpit to Kraka Drak helps them stay alive a lot longer and gives you some allies in your heartland. They can do more with that territory than you can, though losing half an Ataman kind of hurts. Still might be worth it.
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Apr 14, 2022 15:54
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:lmao that we got this stupid marketing video out of nowhere today instead of a roadmap: aren't we just pointed at chaos dwarfs, stop for some blood along the way hopefully and big map next year?
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Twigand Berries posted:aren't we just pointed at chaos dwarfs, stop for some blood along the way hopefully and big map next year? Why would chaos dwarfs come before the big map? We got mortal empires four weeks after the release of warhammer 2, and while it's obviously taking longer this time, I think waiting to do DLC first would be a huge mistake. Before launch 3-6 months was the guess most of us had, and I still think if it's any longer than that it's a huge failure. I don't think anyone's expecting any big surprises in terms of content, but some idea of when things are going to be coming would be nice. And if there's going to be another big patch, some idea of what they still think they need to work on wouldn't be a bad idea either. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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I don't think anyone is waiting to do the big map lol it's just going to be awhile i think they call it "managing your expectations" which means always expect the worst possible outcome
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Tbf I think managing community expectations is part of what they could be doing better by giving some indication of what sort of timeline we're looking at here. If it's going to be longer than people are thinking, better to rip the bandaid off now than have people just being lovely about it indefinitely and then getting pissed when they find out anyway.
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Twigand Berries posted:I don't think anyone is waiting to do the big map lol I'm waiting for the big map and have resigned myself to it being awhile. I've reinstalled Fallout 4 and am playing with a bunch of realism/survival mods for the first time. Next game I will purchase will be Starfield, so I'm kinda in the mood for some Bethesda jank.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Tbf I think managing community expectations is part of what they could be doing better by giving some indication of what sort of timeline we're looking at here. If it's going to be longer than people are thinking, better to rip the bandaid off now than have people just being lovely about it indefinitely and then getting pissed when they find out anyway. I’m still surprised at how badly they have handled this game. This is easily their biggest and most popular game series and they really just straight downgraded everything. The campaign is actually bad and it’s the only thing you can really play, this game deserves its bad steam rating. I wish I could have just bought these factions for WH2.
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Twigand Berries posted:hey hey hey Leadbelchers fire over dwarf heads too just saying and humans 2 leadbelchers 2 handgunners 2 thunderers for the ultimate gun line. The dwarves are going to end up incredibly deaf.
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Mortal Empires game mode is the primary reason for TW2's longevity. Immortal Empires might do the same for TW3 but it's baffling they didn't capitalize on this and prioritize it over RoC. Release RoC as a DLC or something that they could have hyped to the loving moon. Maybe it would have sold poorly being EotV 2.0 but is this really the happy path they expected? They're following the same dev plan as TW2 and stepping barefoot on the same loving legos.
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It seems CA hasn't really filled the hole left by Grace and the other community manager(s?) leaving CA. The only real communication we're getting now are the occasional random post on CA's Discord channel? And whoever is running the Twitter account seems unaware the game has been released and is still posting marketing material.
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Yeah, CA's community engagement has been all over the place with WH3. I'm not sure what happened (beyond the obviously problematic launch) in the wake of both Grace and Simone leaving, but it went from generally pretty good to... silence. Like CA hired three or four CMs and only one seems to exist, and even then only briefly. Makes me wonder what the gently caress is going on behind the scenes.
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They've had two new CMs for a month now, Pingu and someone else whose name I can't recall. They handle news on Reddit and Discord.
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Raygereio posted:It seems CA hasn't really filled the hole left by Grace and the other community manager(s?) leaving CA. Simone (who was a great community manager with excellent timing to get out before the community turned on CA) leaving late last year definitely seemed like something they weren't prepared for at all, and yeah I still don't think they've filled the void particularly well. I think the idea here was to start marketing the game again now that it's been patched and even a lot of detractors say it's basically playable now, but it's super tone deaf to where community sentiment is and feels like a victory lap they haven't earned yet.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I think the idea here was to start marketing the game again now that it's been patched and even a lot of detractors say it's basically playable now, but it's super tone deaf to where community sentiment is and feels like a victory lap they haven't earned yet. A renewed marketing push would have made more sense to me when Immortal Empires comes out. But who knows when that'll be.
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I would like to clarify that I say next year as a joke on this now officially and legally Comedy Website and I'm sure it will be sooner considering half of the ogre big names are currently useless and things like that but I'm telling you the mods are working hard out there and if you are willing to hit play with 40 of the little fuckers active and cross your fingers it can be a great time
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Twigand Berries posted:I don't think anyone is waiting to do the big map lol I've enjoyed my time with WH3 so far, but I don't plan on playing it again until the big map comes out.
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This doesn't really make it sound like the roadmap is right around the corner.
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That post launch trailer is just awful.
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Torrannor posted:I've enjoyed my time with WH3 so far, but I don't plan on playing it again until the big map comes out. I have a Khorne play through to do, but without blood it would just be weird. I assumed it would be here by now but apparently not.
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Ravenfood posted:Thorgrim and Franz starting with outposts in respective capitals makes sense. A slightly more "freeform " way to do it for Kislev could be to have an event that fires at some point that let's you pick a few different factions that you can get a huge relationship boost with (or turn it down for some other faction benefit). It wouldn't keep the AI from beating you to the outpost building, though I suppose you could have events for that too, but you could get there. Starting the campaign with a dilemma where you can pick between a Dwarf faction or an Imperial faction for your free outpost and alliance would be nice.
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Me thinks some of you are huffing the doomposting a little too much, including a few posts just making things up like "can't use artillery/magic/ranged in WH3." Did you play Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh in order or something? And those last two have fantastic magic... there are 3 heavy ranged factions and 2 more that have fantastic ranged options. Danny can grab the Tzeentch roster and Ogres didn't need guns but got some of the best in the series anyway. Also impressed by the resolute declaration that "in every way WH3 is a downgrade." Khorne playthrough again? Dunno how else you played a full campaign without opening the diplomacy screen once. But whatever, this is just the state of WH3 discussion until IE drops. As you were, gentlemen. Dr Kool-AIDS posted:This doesn't really make it sound like the roadmap is right around the corner. That sounds exactly like what they're saying but you're high on doomposting, my dude. That is bog standard "we're having meetings to set deadlines and order of release after we did what we openly declared we would do: fixing critical errors and our first balance patch."
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It's just marketing departments being marketing departments, ie. trying desperately to justify their place in the budget long after release day
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Doomykins posted:Me thinks some of you are huffing the doomposting a little too much, Nice username post combo. But I really don't think I'm doomposting--I've said the game's basically playable/okay now, even if it's not blowing me away or anything, and that I expect it to continue to get better with IE and DLC and everything. I just think they've done a bad job of communicating, and need to hurry up and say something instead of saying why they aren't saying something. It's been a week since the patch now (and the roadmap was initially supposed to come out a week after launch, before the need for a major patch became apparent), so it's hard to believe they haven't had a chance to hold a meeting since then. I get why they might be reluctant to commit to a timeline since they obviously ended up with a rushed product despite a significant pre-launch delay already, but it's not unreasonable to want some info two months into this thing. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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