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Velocity Raptor posted:I've seen this mentioned a few times, but how does Iowa passing a state law allow them to dictate what another state can and can't do? How does that prevent RI from going first? It doesn't dictate what other states can do, it dictates that Iowa's state parties have to pick a primary date that's earlier than any other state's primary. As I understand it, if Rhode Island decided to hold their 2024 primary on January 1st 2024, then Iowa Dems would be legally required to schedule their 2024 primary in 2023 or earlier. Here's the actual legal text in question: quote:43.4 Political party precinct caucuses.
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Ah, ok. Thank you both for the explanation. I understand it, now. I thought Iowa citing their law that they have to go first was like them calling dibs in a way and being like "We made a law and everything."
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It more or less is them calling dibs, in that another state passing a similar law would result in a ridiculous arms race as they keep leapfrogging each other's scheduled dates. It works as long as the party doesn't have the political will to put its foot down and make them knock it off, which has changed as a result of last time's shitshow (and the one before that, but that was more under wraps). The reason New Hampshire isn't a problem there is that the NH law references theirs being set seven days before "a similar election", which they have interpreted to mean only primaries and not caucuses. This has resulted in some scrambling in years when it looked like Nevada, a caucus state (e: at the time), would be placed ahead of New Hampshire but not in such a way to run afoul of Iowa's law. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Blindeye posted:Under that scenario, you essentially create a parliamentary system with a very powerful executive. That would be a wild rear end change; such a maneuver would undo the very foundations of the government. And that would stop Republicans how, exactly? If they can get away with it they'll do it and the picosecond they lose they'll change to a new system if they can get away with that as well. McConnel introduced a new rule about Supreme Court justices and flat loving ignored it a few years later while criticizing Democrats for the process he created then ignored. Until the answer to the question "How is this any different?" involves them being kicked out of power for taking a given action, there is nothing stopping them anymore.
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Meatball posted:If the Republicans win the midterms, whoever the candidate will win 100%. They're going to vote to certify the Republican in the presidental count, like they tried to in 2020. IF??? This is going to loving massacre and it won't be close. People are loving PISSED and those that lack the energy or time to be angry are basically just loving sad and feel hopeless. There is ZERO enthusiasm for the democratic party anywhere I aim my eyes or ears. And that second part: I don't believe they'll have to get to that. I think the GOP nominee is going to win outright whoever it is. And I 95% think it will be Trump. The other 5% is DeSantis. Could be my perception of things is tainted by where I live and how poo poo is going but it's not like national polling numbers are painting a much rosier picture anywhere else so...? Biden's cratering numbers - with minorities and young voters in particular - are historically bad and, if I'm being honest, deservedly so. Those people are feeling had and ripped off yet again and they're not wrong. Pissing off your base is bad. I didn't want Biden AT ALL for 2020, for 100 reasons that seem patently obvious right now, but still voted for him and there was never any question about it. I had low expectations for him for several reasons and somehow he's managed to underachieve the lowest bar I thought was possible.
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Those primary overhauls would've been awesome in like 2018. Headed into an election with an extremely unpopular incumbent and an even-less-popular incumbent replacement, I find it tough to get excited about. At least the best candidate in 2028 (and god I shudder at thought of what kind of shape the US is in at that point) won't have to deal with a rigged/incompetent Iowa caucus right out of the gate?
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Blind Pineapple posted:At least the best candidate in 2028 (and god I shudder at thought of what kind of shape the US is in at that point) won't have to deal with a rigged/incompetent Iowa caucus right out of the gate? Correct, because by that point the democratic primary will probably be illegal
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FWIW Chris Cook, who is one of the better political forecasters out there, has the over/under for Republican seat gains at 20. They are overwhelmingly likely to take the House but there's no need to continuously rend our garments about the coming slaughter that will leave the earth scarred for hundreds of years. Just imagine 2018 in reverse and you're probably pretty close. Democrats are a poo poo brand and not performing well, but Republicans are a poo poo brand too, and can't stop owning themselves (see: Rick Scott's highly publicized policy proposals that McConnell begged him not to release).
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Mellow Seas posted:FWIW Chris Cook, who is one of the better political forecasters out there, has the over/under for Republican seat gains at 20. They are overwhelmingly likely to take the House but there's no need to continuously rend our garments about the coming slaughter that will leave the earth scarred for hundreds of years. Just imagine 2018 in reverse and you're probably pretty close. Say what you will about Trump, but he accomplished at least some of the crazy poo poo that he promised his base in 2016, which is why they still support him Whereas people are rapidly abandoning Biden and the Dems because they did basically nothing for almost two years now despite them promising a lot.
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Joe Biden has the authority to issue a presidential pardon to everyone currently in jail for marijuana possession and can continue to pardon anyone jailed for this during his term. Doing this would be only one part of marijuana legalization, but a necessary and moral part. That he doesn't want to or can't speaks to the evil of his country, his party, and himself.
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Nanomashoes posted:Joe Biden has the authority to issue a presidential pardon to everyone currently in jail for marijuana possession and can continue to pardon anyone jailed for this during his term. Doing this would be only one part of marijuana legalization, but a necessary and moral part. That he doesn't want to or can't speaks to the evil of his country, his party, and himself. Don't worry the kids think Bidens "fresh"
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Nanomashoes posted:Joe Biden has the authority to issue a presidential pardon to everyone currently in jail for marijuana possession and can continue to pardon anyone jailed for this during his term. Doing this would be only one part of marijuana legalization, but a necessary and moral part. That he doesn't want to or can't speaks to the evil of his country, his party, and himself. He can only do so for people in jail for federal marijuana possession, not everyone. Also, there are currently 0 people in federal prison for marijuana possession right now. Biden's DOJ/BOP put everyone with a non-violent drug offense on permanent home confinement and started a process for everyone who is currently serving any kind of sentence for a non-violent drug offense to get clemency.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Biden's DOJ/BOP put everyone with a non-violent drug offense on permanent home confinement and started a process for everyone who is currently serving any kind of sentence for a non-violent drug offense to get clemency. This sounds like an overly complicated waste of everyone's time and energy, when he can just pardon them. Which he could do, but he chooses not to do.
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Sharkie posted:This sounds like an overly complicated waste of everyone's time and energy, when he can just pardon them. Which he could do, but he chooses not to do. Yep, that's pretty much exactly who we elected and who he said he would be. Joe Biden is not going to use the full authority that he has. Between the buyers remorse and the polling I really hope people use this as a lesson to stop talking themselves into "Well, I like this politician but no one else will do I need to pick the moderate". We elected the guy everyone went "Well, I don't love him but everyone else does" and shock, no one loves him.
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Sharkie posted:This sounds like an overly complicated waste of everyone's time and energy, when he can just pardon them. Which he could do, but he chooses not to do. You not understanding how things work isn't Biden's problem. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sodomy Hussein posted:You not understanding how things work isn't Biden's problem. Seems he understands just fine. Biden could pardon them all right now. He has chosen instead to use a more byzantine clemency process...which itself won't be the same as a pardon.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yep, that's pretty much exactly who we elected and who he said he would be. Joe Biden is not going to use the full authority that he has. Between the buyers remorse and the polling I really hope people use this as a lesson to stop talking themselves into "Well, I like this politician but no one else will do I need to pick the moderate". We elected the guy everyone went "Well, I don't love him but everyone else does" and shock, no one loves him. This sounds like a recipe for disaster when there’s a fired up political base that is opposed to human rights and enacting laws with such precision that it is negatively impacting such a small minority of the population with devastating consequences. Meanwhile the ruling party is, what feels like purposely, preventing itself from enacting the very agenda it promised to enact. Sodomy Hussein posted:You not understanding how things work isn't Biden's problem. Is this another one of those “Excuse me! There are rules!” dismissive posts that don’t address the actual issue? Do you have something of value to add to the conversation? Or are you more interested in shaming people for wanting the ruling party that promised to support underprivileged? virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Is this another one of those “Excuse me! There are rules!” dismissive posts that don’t address the actual issue? Do you have something of value to add to the conversation? Or are you more interested in shaming people for wanting the ruling party that promised to support underprivileged? Is this another socialist wrestling promo instead of just dealing with the fact that pardons are federal?
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Raldikuk posted:Seems he understands just fine. Biden could pardon them all right now. He has chosen instead to use a more byzantine clemency process...which itself won't be the same as a pardon. Yep. Mass pardoning would take a lot more effort, but they aren't interested in putting the effort in or actually pardoning. Clemency is about getting everyone out of jail, but it doesn't do anything for the people who have a record and are already out. Ending incarceration for federal possession is a very good thing, but there is a ton of stuff going on with the BOP because of Covid and it would take a lot of effort to sort through everyone who has marijuana charges in addition to other charges and reorganize their sentences, but they are putting in the very minimum amount of effort to do a very good thing. But, about 99% of people doing time for possession are at the state level. So, ending federal incarceration for simple pot possession is a good thing in itself, but it is a very small part of the overall reform project.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yep. Mass pardoning would take a lot more effort, but they aren't interested in putting the effort in or actually pardoning. Why would mass pardoning take a lot more effort? I thought Carter just signed a presidential proclamation pardoning all draft dodgers of the Vietnam War. If they've been convicted under a federal law, why couldn't Biden just say that all those convicted under law X are pardoned of X crime? Note: I agree that the focus on the federal government is dumb, since most prisoners are held in state and local jails and convicted under state or local laws. I also agree getting people out of jail is good! I just don't understand why mass pardoning would actually be difficult.
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Raldikuk posted:Seems he understands just fine. Biden could pardon them all right now. He has chosen instead to use a more byzantine clemency process...which itself won't be the same as a pardon. It's slower, less effective, and accomplishes none of the political goals the administration supposedly is attempting to accomplish, but on the other hand it -does- let people in the administration flatter themselves with how practical they are being, and ways to feel good about how the administration is doing are pretty thin on the ground over there atm
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Reflections85 posted:Why would mass pardoning take a lot more effort? I thought Carter just signed a presidential proclamation pardoning all draft dodgers of the Vietnam War. If they've been convicted under a federal law, why couldn't Biden just say that all those convicted under law X are pardoned of X crime? Carter's mass pardon was for people who dodged the draft. His mass pardon was directed at people who had never been caught and had fled to Canada or were afraid of paying taxes. Mass pardoning for everyone with non-violent drug charges would be a lot more effort because it would involve a lot of people no longer in custody and the people still in prison who have non-violent drug charges, but also many other charges might have to have their sentences adjusted. They also didn't want to pardon people with weed charges who also had violent charges out of principle and because of fear it would mess up the sentences they received. So, they'd need to sort through them. Focusing on a couple thousand people who are already in jail is way less effort. Also, releasing all of them on house arrest just required reversing a Trump order to send them all back after Covid, so that required even less effort to implement.
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Haha we have written evidence of senators intent and they won't see any consequences. https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1514953376517300224 Ma we should dissolve the Senate like Chile just did. If you haven't read chili's new constitution you should.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Haha we have written evidence of senators intent and they won't see any consequences. Chile had to throw out the US saboteurs first.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Haha we have written evidence of senators intent and they won't see any consequences. I wonder if the party in power will do something before the fascists take over of both houses of congress. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-january-6-committee-divided-doj-criminal-referral-capitol-riot-2022-4 posted:
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Texas is interfering with federal trade. Seems like a good reason to curb stomp texas again. https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1514964663573876744 Ed Buck Finally sees justice https://twitter.com/johniadarola/status/1514968679825301505
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Texas is interfering with federal trade. Seems like a good reason to curb stomp texas again. What is your plan? Invade Texas? You can't solve this. How dare you post that nothing matters, which is implied by the idea that we should "curb stomp" Texas instead of seeking realistic legislative solutions. Your advocating this on the idea that it might be possible for Texas to slow down trade. If they never do, do you just keep them under martial law forever? Condemning tens of millions of people to martial law, death, or imprisonment for an indeterminate amount of time because some of their elected leaders might commit potential future constitutional violation seems like a bad precedent to establish. You are just saying things that make yourself feel better. Mods, is this better posting? I'm trying to match the post that didn't get probed compared to the ones that did in order to improve quality. It's difficult because the lepers colony feedback is often very vague. Does this need to be longer? It can certainly be longer. edit- do I need to share more random new stories to level up enough to be allowed to adhom? I can do that if it helps (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Harold Fjord posted:What is your plan? Invade Texas? You can't solve this. There's a lot of things you really can't "solve" since the GOP is increasingly more and more willing to just blatantly ignore the law while the democrats and their supporters repeatedly cry about how "you can't do that!" It's like kids arguing poo poo in a touch football game where the bully always gets to decide if he got two hand touched or was out of bounds and poo poo. They did a really good job packing the courts when they had the chance so now they just blatantly flaunt the law/decorum and dare someone to do anything about it, knowing that 9 times out of then, the courts will rule in their favor. I kind of sort of understand the dems adhering to traditional decorum standards and playing inside the rules with the "we're better than that" message but I wish they'd wake the gently caress up and get down in the muck a little more often and do some pig wrestling. Letting Obama's SCOTUS pick languish for 9 months or whatever it was alone should have been enough to open their eyes. To say nothing of 1/6. Someone pointed out that at least the GOP listens to and caters to their base, as abhorrent as it is, and deliver on the hateful promises they make. The dems tell their base to be patient and reasonable and that THIS election is the most important one of our lifetimes every 2 loving years.
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BiggerBoat posted:There's a lot of things you really can't "solve" since the GOP is increasingly more and more willing to just blatantly ignore the law while the democrats and their supporters repeatedly cry about how "you can't do that!" It's like kids arguing poo poo in a touch football game where the bully always gets to decide if he got two hand touched or was out of bounds and poo poo. It's honestly as simple as the Republicans looking at the rules, deciding nothing explicitly says they can't do the thing they want to do so they just do it even if when you really get into it it's "against the rules". In comparison the Democrats look and if the rules say they can't explicitly do something they often choose not to. And honestly that's the right way to operate during normal times when both parties are following that. But that's not the time we're in.
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Good to know the moderation has officially backslid to the point where leftists get probed for pretty much anything the mods feel like while the very calm, very reasonable, very adult in the room liberals are never punished for defending the ghoulish status quo. Koos isn't even bothering to come up with actual rules violations anymore. It's just "Undignified" and "Unoriginal material" which are meaningless. And then we had "strawmanning" while completely ignoring the strawmanning of leftists that liberals do. Seriously, nobody was punished for repeatedly saying obviously disingenuous stuff like "you only want direct action because it will make you, personally, feel good". I'm starting the think the whole Koos being head mod of D&D thing really is some long term troll on leftists and the mask is starting to slip. Leftists have successfully argued over and over and over why the current system isn't good enough to stop all the rampant widespread human suffering in this country but as soon as anyone suggests any meaningful radical changes it's always calmhitler.jpg but the people correctly and righteously angry at the fash are the ones punished. And no I'm not taking it to PMs because that's coward poo poo that can easily be ignored. Discuss this openly itt or make a new feedback thread.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Good to know the moderation has officially backslid to the point where leftists get probed for pretty much anything the mods feel like while the very calm, very reasonable, very adult in the room liberals are never punished for defending the ghoulish status quo. Koos isn't even bothering to come up with actual rules violations anymore. It's just "Undignified" and "Unoriginal material" which are meaningless. And then we had "strawmanning" while completely ignoring the strawmanning of leftists that liberals do. Seriously, nobody was punished for repeatedly saying obviously disingenuous stuff like "you only want direct action because it will make you, personally, feel good". Eh, much like real life I don't think there is any conspiracy. People are just lazy and hate hard work and it's probably really hard work dealing with posters in D&D who do things like put slurs in reports. The most aggressive end up getting touched by the mods the least because they also don't want that crazy on them.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Good to know the moderation has officially backslid to the point where leftists get probed for pretty much anything the mods feel like while the very calm, very reasonable, very adult in the room liberals are never punished for defending the ghoulish status quo. Koos isn't even bothering to come up with actual rules violations anymore. It's just "Undignified" and "Unoriginal material" which are meaningless. And then we had "strawmanning" while completely ignoring the strawmanning of leftists that liberals do. Seriously, nobody was punished for repeatedly saying obviously disingenuous stuff like "you only want direct action because it will make you, personally, feel good". Honestly, you should probably stop looking at this thread/forum as liberal vs leftist. Kalit fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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A South Carolina prisoner has chosen the firing squad as a method of execution. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1515004773984088074 quote:COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — A South Carolina prisoner scheduled to be the first man executed in the state in more than a decade has decided to die by firing squad rather than in the electric chair later this month, according to court documents filed Friday. I have thoughts, but none of them are good. It's probably his best choice as far as a quick and painless death, but dear god.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Eh, much like real life I don't think there is any conspiracy. People are just lazy and hate hard work and it's probably really hard work dealing with posters in D&D who do things like put slurs in reports. The most aggressive end up getting touched by the mods the least because they also don't want that crazy on them. People are putting slurs in reports? Heck Yes! Loam! posted:A South Carolina prisoner has chosen the firing squad as a method of execution. This is horribly depressing. In CA we've stopped executions, despite a proposition a few years back to try and speed up the process, but still can't manage to abolish the death penalty. Last I heard, death row inmates were being integrated back into the general population, so that's at least a positive step. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:A South Carolina prisoner has chosen the firing squad as a method of execution. "Three prison workers" They're executioners, AP.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:People are putting slurs in reports? Yeah news to me as well. Seems like a simple thing to fix. Lib and let die posted:"Three prison workers" The passive voice has manifested itself to the extreme.
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