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Davros1 posted:They brought back The Great Intelligence, but they didn't bring back the Yeti. Omega hasn't popped up. Nor the Draconians, or Rutans, or the Mara. The Draconians and Rutans were only in one series a-piece, I think? The Black and White Guardians, whatever Sil's race were, and the Ogrons are the other multi-serial foes from Classic Who that haven't appeared in the revival yet.
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Davros1 posted:Rutans But Martha was in an entire series? 
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Open Source Idiom posted:The Draconians and Rutans were only in one series a-piece, I think? Those are all good pulls, yeah. The Mara, Sil and Ogrons (and the Monk and the Rani) all have the issue where they technically appeared twice, but both appearances were in quick succession so they feel like a one-off. Of course, that was also the case with the Great Intelligence and they got a comeback, so. The Guardians are kind of odd in that they appeared in multiple stories some years apart, many of which are well-regarded. It's just that nobody gives a drat about the Guardians within those stories. Omega seems like a candidate for the new series, though I could see RTD bringing back the Mara in a cameo type role like the Macra in Gridlock.
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I'd bet that RTD is going to do something with Omega for the 60th anniversary.
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Tbh the Ogrons are worth forgetting about. BF bringing them back is just another case of the company being very white and conservative.
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Apart from the Daleks, the first recurring bad guys were the French.
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Hey! New Doctor Who in exactly 13 hours!
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Edward Mass posted:Hey! I'm hopeful! Last special was a lot of fun, this one features a fascinating historical figure and the novelty of the Sea Devils being in it has a lot going for it. I mean, the last few minutes are likely to be a set-up for the final so I'm expecting some bullshit there, but hopefully everything else is good!
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Jerusalem posted:I mean, the last few minutes are likely to be a set-up for the final so I'm expecting some bullshit there, but hopefully everything else is good! <The Master shows up> "Oh, just joking about that Timeless Child thing! Made it up! Also, that was a fake Gallifrey! Do you really think I'd have the time or patience to systematically kill every single person on a planet?"
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The_Doctor posted:<The Master shows up> Doctor: So what should we do now? Master: iunno.... you ever play D&D? Then it turns out the final episode is actually a crossover with HarmonQuest.
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The last one of these is still at Christmas/New Year's yeah? I've totally lost track of time as to where the show is right now.
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Rochallor posted:The last one of these is still at Christmas/New Year's yeah? I've totally lost track of time as to where the show is right now. We're basically re-living Tennant's Year of Specials. Eve of the Daleks was the first. Legend of the Sea Devils is the second. The third, which will feature the regeneration, is almost certainly coming at the New Year.
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Timby posted:We're basically re-living Tennant's Year of Specials. Eve of the Daleks was the first. Legend of the Sea Devils is the second. The third, which will feature the regeneration, is almost certainly coming at the New Year. The last one's being tied into the BBC's centenary, so I was assuming it would be on some time around 18th October.
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Timby posted:We're basically re-living Tennant's Year of Specials. Well hopefully this is better than Planet of the Dead!
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Look, I know good CGI is expensive, time consuming and hard to do, but... That cracking was some amateur hour bullshit.
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And what I'm getting from this "action" scene is that the sea devil costume is barely mobile at all.
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Oh man, they are REALLY shooting around that costume.
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I'm sure I've seen this ship set shot more convincingly on horrible histories.
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If they wanted her to return with treasure they should have left her a skeleton crew, you literally cannot sail a ship that size with 3 people, let alone 1. But I'm guessing that was a budget decision? Fewer actors means more money for iffy cgi?
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I mean it's great they went for it in terms of reach but Jesus this thing is bulging at the seams.
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SiKboy posted:If they wanted her to return with treasure they should have left her a skeleton crew, you literally cannot sail a ship that size with 3 people, let alone 1. But I'm guessing that was a budget decision? Fewer actors means more money for iffy cgi? That plus the pandemic.
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This is kind of not good, and not even in a particularly interesting way.
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Also, flipping the poles would do none of those things; Why would north becoming south cause the stars to move, that makes no sense whatsoever.
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SiKboy posted:This is kind of not good, and not even in a particularly interesting way. Yeah Jesus Christ this has just fallen apart the editing is a mess. Where are the other like 60 Sea Devils? How did the Doctor and Yaz get the old pirate dude out and escape to the other ship? How did the Doctor just randomly get back onto the other ship to confront the Sea Devil... good Lord.
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If the evil plan was to turn off the Earth's magnetic field, so the surface world got irradiated by solar wind, that would be much better
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Also what a waste of Madam Ching, she's barely had any impact on the story at all.
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Jerusalem posted:Also what a waste of Madam Ching, she's barely had any impact on the story at all. Yeah, more than anything else, this feels like an awful waste of a really interesting historical figure. Like a bad episode from chibnall is just another bad chibnall episode, but the doctor can only meet madame ching for the first time once.
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SiKboy posted:Yeah, more than anything else, this feels like an awful waste of a really interesting historical figure. Like a bad episode from chibnall is just another bad chibnall episode, but the doctor can only meet madame ching for the first time once. I mean she still has like 3 years before she retires from piracy so she could still be used in a future episode.
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Oh God that lovely Cyberman is back  Edit: Well after the last episode was rather tightly plotted, had interesting supporting characters and a simple concept executed well I had high hopes, but this was an incoherent mess, looked bad, was edited worse, and wasted an amazing historical figure who might as well have been some random nobody. I'm sure there were budget/COVID issues to work around etc but they had SO LONG to put this together and we got THAT? It wasn't as bad as Planet of the Dead, but that's damning with faint praise. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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On the plus side, though, Ace and Tegan are back! The gayest the TARDIS has ever been. e: apparently Tegan and Nyssa being an item is canon now, which I’m pleasantly surprised about! TinTower fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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That was perfectly fine. If it had been part of a normal run, it would have been a really solid monster of the week story, but as a hyped up 'special', not so much. The directing and editing felt really...off at times. Whittaker continues to go from strength to strength, but the Yas romance thing was terrible but at least they had the Doctor let her down by saying point blank she doesn't romance companions. Tegan and Ace, amazing. I can understand Ace because Russell T Davies did want to do more with middle aged Ace in the Sarah Jane Smith Adventures, but Tegan seems like a random choice. Though Janet Fielding is an utter delight, so yay. Wait, didn't Nyssa end up trapped in e-space? OldMemes fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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TinTower posted:Ace is back! TinTower posted:The gayest the TARDIS has ever been. 
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Yas spends most of her screen time doing very little, wasting Mandip Gil for the majority of the Chibanll run, then the Doctor is largely distant to her for a lot of it....then she makes that 'you're the best speech'. Yas and Ryan were two really wasted characters, weren't they?
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So, that was bad. We've had worse plots, at least it wasnt horrendously offensive, but bland as hell. As always, Jodie does what she can with what shes been given. Everything else though... The sea devil costume couldnt emote, talk or (from the looks of it) apparently move much. What they should have done when that became apparent is chuck some lizard make-up on an actor and throw in a line about how "I'm the ultimate evolution of those you call sea devils, Doctor!" or something Instead they tried to shoot around it and fix it in post, and wow it did not work at all That "action" scene in the village was frankly embarrassing. The editing was awful. People just teleported to where they needed to be for the next scene, within scenes there was no real sense of where anyone or anything was in relation to anything else. The pacing and dialogue were atrocious. They basically gave up and had everyone explain their motivation and plans direct to camera because gently caress it. Everything felt simultaneously drawn out and rushed and I couldnt explain why, but it still did. Like I was thinking "do we have time for a heart to heart between the doctor and yas in this one off easter special" but concurrently "gently caress it, why not, what else do we have to fill this time with?". I really wish that Jodie was going to have at least a season with a better showrunner. This was a bad episode on basically every front, and a massive drop in quality from the new year special. The Wicked ZOGA posted:If the evil plan was to turn off the Earth's magnetic field, so the surface world got irradiated by solar wind, that would be much better That would 100% have been better, that would have actual real consequences. Yvonmukluk posted:I mean she still has like 3 years before she retires from piracy so she could still be used in a future episode. Yeah, but you only get one go at "Hang on.... Madam Ching? You're THE Madam Ching?"
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OldMemes posted:Wait, didn't Nyssa end up trapped in e-space? That was Romana, Nyssa stayed behind in Terminus to help the locals
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Well....OK then. Just one more Chibnall episode.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That was Romana, Nyssa stayed behind in Terminus to help the locals In Big Finish canon, she rejoins the TARDIS crew later in her life and gets left behind when the Fifth Doctor returns to e-space. But then Romana returning from e-space was one of the Virgin New Adventures Big Finish kept, so apparently the Doctor can willingly re-enter e-space later on..
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Jerusalem posted:Also what a waste of Madam Ching, she's barely had any impact on the story at all. Forced to recover a treasure for a male pirate to recover her crew, upstaged by that male pirate who gets more to do as well as more heroic moments despite the fact he should be dead: somehow this story managed to make Madam Ching not even be the most legendary pirate in it! Also, Chibnall really wants to have the Doctor relearn what she clearly knew at the end of The Husbands of River Song? That’s the big arc he’s going for to wrap up his years as showrunner? Chibnall’s biggest sin isn’t being a poor writer or a bad showrunner: it’s how he took such a great cast and such great potential and wasted so much time.
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