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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Which is absolute balls because watertight doors in that era were not made of brass, they were made of the same steel the rest of the hull was made of. It's a bizarre anecdote that keeps turning up because some credulous journalist wrote it down once and equally credulous historians who've never been in a boat bigger than a canoe believed it. In my defence i heard it from Drachinifel.
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Just Another Lurker posted:In my defence i heard it from Drachinifel. Oh, it's been repeated by reputable historians because it appeared in a book by Arnold White, a journalist closely connected to the Royal Navy of the time. Problem is that it's still absolute horseshit if you've been around real watertight doors. I mean not even as a sailor, I was a volunteer at a museum ship and just had to open and close the things, but it would take real, ridiculous effort to polish a steel door until it was no longer watertight. I suspect it was either a sailor exaggerating for effect that White believed or he got his facts wrong, because as Crab Dad said you can probably gently caress up smaller things like portholes or fittings that way, just not a loving watertight door. When did Drach say this? He follows me on Twitter so maybe I can yell at him about it. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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Apr 19, 2022 05:39
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You could polish the dogs so much they dont hold the door closed any longer
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It’s time to play which one is an active duty warship and which is a museum warship deactivated 30 years ago!  There’s no prize.
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lightpole posted:You could polish the dogs so much they dont hold the door closed any longer In theory yeah, but it would still take a psychotic amount of time and effort.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:In theory yeah, but it would still take a psychotic amount of time and effort. I’ve seen dogs so worn down they no longer touched the wedge pads and we had to add washers to make them touch. They are consumables.
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Defenestrategy posted:Does Metasploit not have ICS modules built in? Never had the need to dig all that deep into what comes pre-loaded. No, other than a handful of community-published academic/demonstrative exploits. Mostly because the protocols and the equipment used are too esoteric in nature. Once you get outside of PLC or SCADA-based control systems and into applications like process automation, the vendors become much more protective of both the controllers and the protocol specifications. So there's some modules out there for basic open standards like modbus or DNP3 controllers/RTUs, but not for anything vendor proprietary. The control systems themselves are also very sensitive to active penetration tests, which limits the practical uses of metasploit. I've watched a simple nmap scan reboot a line of HMIs and controllers in a customer's facility before. psydude fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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Crab Dad posted:It’s time to play which one is an active duty warship and which is a museum warship deactivated 30 years ago! They probably had to replace those dog arms for certification or whatever for the museum ship. Thats a protective coating of iron oxide protecting the hinge spacers on that active duty vessel.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Oh, it's been repeated by reputable historians because it appeared in a book by Arnold White, a journalist closely connected to the Royal Navy of the time. Problem is that it's still absolute horseshit if you've been around real watertight doors. I mean not even as a sailor, I was a volunteer at a museum ship and just had to open and close the things, but it would take real, ridiculous effort to polish a steel door until it was no longer watertight. I suspect it was either a sailor exaggerating for effect that White believed or he got his facts wrong, because as Crab Dad said you can probably gently caress up smaller things like portholes or fittings that way, just not a loving watertight door. Pretty sure it was in one of the Drydock episodes (194 and counting). 
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lightpole posted:Thats a protective coating of iron oxide protecting the hinge spacers on that active duty vessel. You're shitposting, right? I thought that was only a thing with aluminum.
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Crab Dad posted:I’ve seen dogs so worn down they no longer touched the wedge pads and we had to add washers to make them touch. They are consumables. I believe you 100%. But were they the result of excessive spit and polish or ordinary wear and tear?
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My sense of things was that the mania for rigid discipline and superficial efficiency in the Victorian RN had its most damaging effects on the ability of subordinates to adapt and improvise as circumstances changed. Instead, they became unthinking conduits for the orders of their superiors. This led to the loss of HMS Victoria in a collision that multiple senior officers saw coming and nobody saw fit to correct for fear of pissing off the admiral in charge. The sinking occurred in the Mediterranean, so if I recall correctly Victoria's water tight doors were open for ventilation and not leaking because of excessive polish or something equally silly. But I could be wrong too. This is not my area of expertise.
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Fearless posted:My sense of things was that the mania for rigid discipline and superficial efficiency in the Victorian RN had its most damaging effects on the ability of subordinates to adapt and improvise as circumstances changed. Instead, they became unthinking conduits for the orders of their superiors. This led to the loss of HMS Victoria in a collision that multiple senior officers saw coming and nobody saw fit to correct for fear of pissing off the admiral in charge. Victoria's watertight doors failed because the force of the collision bent the bulkheads out of shape so that they couldn't close at all. There were other incidents where drainage and pumping systems in warships were found to be jammed up with crud because they weren't cleaned properly or watertight bulkheads ruined by having holes drilled in them so conduits and cables could be run through them.
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lightpole posted:They probably had to replace those dog arms for certification or whatever for the museum ship. Thats a protective coating of iron oxide protecting the hinge spacers on that active duty vessel. I hate you.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:In theory yeah, but it would still take a psychotic amount of time and effort. You have never been in uniform have you
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ISW's still not convinced that Russia has concentrated enough troops and equipment to do much in the Donbass. Basically, if they do manage to achieve their goals, it'll be by sending wave after wave of their own men at them. Ukraine has substantially more troops and equipment in the east than they did around Kyiv, and we all saw how that ended up. It's also worth bringing up again that Russia has committed almost every active duty Army unit to Ukraine in some fashion at this point, and still has nothing to show for it other than a bunch of war crimes, a completely destroyed major city, and a newly commissioned artificial reef. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-18 quote:Russian forces began a new phase of large-scale offensive operations in eastern Ukraine on April 18 likely intended to capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. Russian forces have been concentrating reinforcements—including both newly-deployed units and damaged units withdrawn from northeastern Ukraine—to the Donbas axis for several weeks. Russian forces conducted large-scale assaults focused on Rubizhne, Popasna, and Marinka with heavy artillery support on April 18 after previously conducting only localized attacks and shelling along the line of contact. Russian forces have not secured any major territorial gains as of publication. psydude fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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psydude posted:ISW's still not convinced that Russia has concentrated enough troops and equipment to do much in the Donbass. Basically, if they do manage to achieve their goals, it'll be by sending wave after wave of their own men at them. I believe you will find this is a racist misconception also punishment battalions are not a real thing (all russian army is punishment army)
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Alan Smithee posted:I believe you will find this is a racist misconception I can't tell if you're joking, or if you've just never seen Futurama.
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The episode I pulled that quote from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF3g4Ua5e7k
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ah, I recall the clip now, but I haven't watched Futurama in its entirety
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:You have never been in uniform have you I just remembered the time I spent a whole week on my hands and knees scraping up excess floor wax from the corners of all the floors in the barracks using a disposable razor.
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Fearless posted:My sense of things was that the mania for rigid discipline and superficial efficiency in the Victorian RN had its most damaging effects on the ability of subordinates to adapt and improvise as circumstances changed. Instead, they became unthinking conduits for the orders of their superiors. This led to the loss of HMS Victoria in a collision that multiple senior officers saw coming and nobody saw fit to correct for fear of pissing off the admiral in charge. I just read that account this morning on the train ride into the office in the book 'Dreadnaught' by Robert Massie. Awful thing. Everyone knew that following the admiral's order would lead to catastrophy, but it was more important to do what one was told than to think for themselves. I also liked the account that gunnery was frowned upon in the RN during the latter half of the 19th century. Why? Because that would get the ships dirty. Ships when ordered to conduct gunnery drills would sail off over the horizon and just dump the rounds into the ocean rather than fire the guns. During the siege of Alexandria in the 1880s the RN fired over 3000 rounds at a coastal fortress. They scored 10 hits. Cimber fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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Quackles posted:You're shitposting, right? I thought that was only a thing with aluminum. It's probably a joke, although iron (II) oxide will act as a protective coating that prevents the iron (III) oxide which is in the picture.
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lol if true lol if false https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1515387635606319106?s=20&t=_aO_vwW5QV9Q6fqdFuwyrw
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That would be amazingly funny if true. Neckbeards ain't so tough when Ukrainian gunships come after them.
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Seems extremely false. The power grid attack was executed by SANDWORM, which is a GRU unit based out of Moscow. They'd have no reason to forward deploy units near the border to carry out that kind of campaign.
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What's the source of this? Is this chuckles account the originator?
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A Navy SEAL screenwriter with a bestselling book.
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60 minutes had a series of good interviews with people who know what they're talking about regarding Russian cyberwarfare: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-cyberattacks-60-minutes-2022-04-17/
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Yeah, I mean, I'm not a military historian, but I imagine computer warfare is going something like aircraft did at first. It starts out LOL, then some folks figure out how to use it effectively at small scale because there's not much funding, then there'll be a significant thing that it does, and finally it'll be seen as a crucial part of a military force. I'm pulling that whole progression out of my rear end, though. I should read a book.
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Alan Smithee posted:ah, I recall the clip now, but I haven't watched Futurama in its entirety That's the correct way to watch Futurama
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psydude posted:Seems extremely false. The power grid attack was executed by SANDWORM, which is a GRU unit based out of Moscow. They'd have no reason to forward deploy units near the border to carry out that kind of campaign. Was this the same attack that got traced directly to GRU HQ a few years back? Someone didnt properly cover their tracks iirc.
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Some interesting commentary from Jon Parshall, co-author of Shattered Sword, on the loss of Moskva:quote:A lot of interest continues to be shown in Moskva's demise, and there are some illuminating analyses running around out there from various folks (Tom Cooper's is excellent). So I'll just try to paraphrase what I've been reading out there.   
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Some interesting commentary from Jon Parshall, co-author of Shattered Sword, on the loss of Moskva: Whoa that's interesting to hear from an expert, especially how they appeared to have zero warning.
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“Main SAM radars trained fore and aft” There’s always another level of stupid going on here, somehow. Was this because they got distracted by the drone, or were they just not looking around at all? Would it have made a difference either way, or were their countermeasures as good as everything else we’ve seen so far?
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Icon Of Sin posted:“Main SAM radars trained fore and aft” Target fixation is not just something that happens in World of Warships.
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Alan Smithee posted:I believe you will find this is a racist misconception However, we are watching the modern equivalent of “just throw bodies at the line” in that providing no time to refit and reorganize and sticking low morale troops into adhoc forces is essentially that.
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Murgos posted:However, we are watching the modern equivalent of “just throw bodies at the line” in that providing no time to refit and reorganize and sticking low morale troops into adhoc forces is essentially that. Mr. Racist over here pointing out Russia's contemporary strategy of feeding individual battalion tactical groups into the meat grinder.
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