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haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Since 1967, the complex (region, really) consisting of Disney World and its supporting facilities has functioned as a Disney-governed enclave within Florida. But now Ron DeSantis is so incensed that Disney has made a few belated, halfhearted statements against the Don't Say Gay Act that he's trying to undo that.

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The Florida Legislature has concluded its regular session for the year, but is meeting this week in a special session to address a Congressional redistricting map. In a proclamation on Tuesday, DeSantis amended the special session to allow the Legislature to take action against Disney.

�They also will be considering termination of all special districts that were enacted in Florida prior 1968,� DeSantis said at a press conference on Tuesday morning. �That includes the Reedy Creek Improvement District.�

It sucks to even consider siding with DeSantis, but on the other hand "disney-governed enclave" is probably not something that should have existed in the first place. On the third hand, Florida wouldn't dare to hurt one of the top tourist destinations in the world and all the money it brings in, right?

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:04

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# ? May 23, 2024 12:29

I R SMART LIKE ROCK: Mar 10, 2003; I just want a hug.; Fun Shoe

haveblue posted:

Since 1967, the complex (region, really) consisting of Disney World and its supporting facilities has functioned as a Disney-governed enclave within Florida. But now Ron DeSantis is so incensed that Disney has made a few belated, halfhearted statements against the Don't Say Gay Act that he's trying to undo that.

It sucks to even consider siding with DeSantis, but on the other hand "disney-governed enclave" is probably not something that should have existed in the first place. On the third hand, Florida wouldn't dare to hurt one of the top tourist destinations in the world and all the money it brings in, right?

as a born and raised Floridian; please never underestimate the stupidity of Floridians

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:12

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

Disney's special district just lets Disney control the zoning for the area (so nobody can build stuff on or near the park) and requires them to provide their own police, firefighters, etc.

Florida would have to replace and start paying for Disney's county services if they did. It would be very dumb for Florida from a tax dollar perspective, but I can see them doing it out of culture war/spite.

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:15

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Would Florida have to provide county EMS to scuttle off all the people that die on site?

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:23

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Disney was mostly just going to make wishy-washy statements of allyship and go about it's business as usual.

Threatening their money might spike their contributions to you but it also might lead to them financing your opponents.

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:23

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

FizFashizzle posted:

Would Florida have to provide county EMS to scuttle off all the people that die on site?

Yes, although nobody ever has died at Disney World.

(Google Disney's weird policy to make sure that nobody has ever died on park grounds. Their actual weird policy has evolved into a wild urban legend with crazy claims about them secreting away dead bodies, but they do have a policy to try and make sure nobody dies while on park grounds. Disney's EMS services that they run/pay for are also required to be unmarked because reminding people of death/injuries would ruin the immersion of the park.)

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Apr 19, 2022

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:25

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Yes, although nobody ever has died at Disney World.

(Google Disney's weird policy to make sure that nobody has ever died on park grounds. Their actual weird policy has evolved into a wild urban legend with crazy claims about them secreting away dead bodies, but they do have a policy to try and make sure nobody dies while on park grounds. Disney's EMS services that they run/pay for are also required to be unmarked because reminding people of death/injuries would ruin the immersion of the park.)

I'm not going to google it but it's likely just not having a doctor available to pronounce while private EMS does half assed compressions and pushes amio until they get to the nearest hospital.

I guarantee you people have died there. I guarantee it happens quite frequently.

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:35

Bottom Liner: Feb 15, 2006; a specific vein of lasagna

This is 100% culture war posturing from Desantis so he can look like he's standing up to a "woke" corporation. The land sits on like 3 or 4 different counties and would be an absolute bloodbath of jurisdiction in-fighting on top of the economic implications of pissing off Disney.

Disney sucks, but this is one area that is near the bottom of things that matter regarding their mega corp status and it would be great to see them destroy Desantis over threatening them.

FizFashizzle posted:

I guarantee you people have died there. I guarantee it happens quite frequently.

Yeah, people have jumped from balconies and there was a child eaten by an alligator in like 2017. They just aren't legally declared dead on property. It's not frequently though, ~22 from 2006-2022 according to self reported data. The rides are all exceedingly safe (incidents are almost exclusively someone doing something dumb like putting their hand on the track or riding a coaster with a heart condition).

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Apr 19, 2022

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:35

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

haveblue posted:

Since 1967, the complex (region, really) consisting of Disney World and its supporting facilities has functioned as a Disney-governed enclave within Florida. But now Ron DeSantis is so incensed that Disney has made a few belated, halfhearted statements against the Don't Say Gay Act that he's trying to undo that.

It sucks to even consider siding with DeSantis, but on the other hand "disney-governed enclave" is probably not something that should have existed in the first place. On the third hand, Florida wouldn't dare to hurt one of the top tourist destinations in the world and all the money it brings in, right?

Getting conservatives to do good things out of spite has to be an actionable political strategy.

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:46

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Lib and let die posted:

Getting conservatives to do good things out of spite has to be an actionable political strategy.

Rarely if ever works. Mostly they just threaten to do good things out of spite.

It's the "actually do something" part that always trips them up. They can't muster an real political will unless it involves tax cuts, deregulation, or jamming their boots on the neck of a vulnerable minority.

# ? Apr 19, 2022 22:52

Archonex: May 2, 2012; MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Zachack posted:

Are you drinking water directly out of a river?

This is pretty vague without any details. For example, I looked up a notable recent chemical MCL in California and what's reported for recent chemical tests on EWGs website vs the state's system. EWG and CA both have the same testing data, except EWG (at least as I can tell) just throws all of the numbers in a big pile while CA shows that some of the results are treated water results and some are not. This means that EWG says that a water system has an average pollutant level of X, but the reality to customers is that the average could be zero because it's all treated (in this case by carbon). For an easier comparison, this would be like saying everyone drinking water from a lake or river is constantly getting E coli, except that basic surface water treatment reliably eliminates E coli (because it's harder to deal with giardia and dealing with that should wipe out the E coli), so it's usually irrelevant to the customer.

No, but the water in the river is close enough to contribute to the groundwater supply of water that the town uses. As it was explained to me way back when by someone who used to work for the town, a fair bit of the infrastructure is located either close enough to farm land or the river that the water supply has to have those two things factored into it.

Factor in a downright ancient system for piping it throughout town and you have a recipe for water that tastes alright but anyone that looks into it seems to not be happy about. And that's before the occasional issue starts popping up. There's also apparently a natural underground water supply which is located over said farm land and (in one case) former farmland. Though I don't know if it links to whatever the town is using. :shrug:

Generally there's been all sorts of minor issues that suggest the whole system just needs some looking at. Unfortunately it's probably not something I should be typing an essay up in this thread, though i'll certainly message you about one particular probably unrelated issue I noticed recently that struck me as odd.

Archonex fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Apr 20, 2022

# ? Apr 19, 2022 23:17

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Bottom Liner posted:

This is 100% culture war posturing from Desantis so he can look like he's standing up to a "woke" corporation. The land sits on like 3 or 4 different counties and would be an absolute bloodbath of jurisdiction in-fighting on top of the economic implications of pissing off Disney.

Disney sucks, but this is one area that is near the bottom of things that matter regarding their mega corp status and it would be great to see them destroy Desantis over threatening them.

Yeah, people have jumped from balconies and there was a child eaten by an alligator in like 2017. They just aren't legally declared dead on property. It's not frequently though, ~22 from 2006-2022 according to self reported data. The rides are all exceedingly safe (incidents are almost exclusively someone doing something dumb like putting their hand on the track or riding a coaster with a heart condition).

Yeah, it seems like DeSantis is going full culture war right now. He's also insisting that because Florida's pension fund owns some Twitter shares, Florida has grounds to go after Twitter for not letting Elon Musk take them over without the board's say-so.
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1516532855479816195

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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is upset at Twitter�s attempt to block Elon Musk�s $43 billion attempted hostile takeover of the company.

DeSantis, no stranger to publicly menacing tech companies, is threatening to use his power as governor to inflict punishment. Is he sure how he�ll do it? He is not. In a press conference on Tuesday, the governor said the investment managers in charge of Florida�s pension funds were looking into ways the state could hold Twitter accountable for �breaching their fiduciary duty� via the shares of Twitter that already comprise the funds.

�They rejected [Musk�s takeover attempt] because they know they can�t control Elon Musk,� DeSantis said. �They know that he will not accept the narrative and that their little play toy of Twitter, it would not be used to enforce orthodoxy, and to basically prop up the regime and these failed legacy media outlets. And so that�s why they did it. It was not, in my judgment, because it wasn�t a good business deal.�

Last week Twitter�s board voted unanimously to adopt a limited duration shareholder rights plan that would let shareholders buy additional shares at a discounted rate if any entity, person or group (like, say, Musk) accrued more than 15% of the company�s shares. These tactics are one example of a firm enacting a �poison pill� that would turn an outright buyout by Musk into a financial disaster.

How exactly DeSantis would go about inflicting Florida�s wrath isn�t exactly clear. During the press conference, the Republican suggested the state could have standing to take action because the state�s pension fund owns shares of Twitter. Not missing a moment to take a jab at a social media company, DeSantis slammed Twitter�s stock, which he described as an �injury� to the state�s pension fund.

�It hasn�t been great on returns on investment,� DeSantis said. �It�s been pretty stagnant for many many years.�

This isn�t the first time DeSantis has had a public bone to pick with Big Tech firms. Last year, the governor led the charge on a sweeping, first of its kind anti-deplatforming legislation that would attempt to issue fines against companies like Twitter for removing public officials from their platforms. The bill, which was seen partly as a response to Twitter�s removal of former President Donald Trump following the January 6 Capitol riot, would have fined offending platforms $25,000 a day, or $250,000 a day if the candidate were seeking public office. Unsurprisingly, a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction blocking the legislation months later, citing serious First Amendment concerns.

�Like prior First Amendment restrictions, this is an instance of burning the house to roast a pig,� U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle said at the time. �Balancing the exchange of ideas among private speakers is not a legitimate governmental interest. And even aside from the actual motivation for this legislation, it is plainly content-based and subject to strict scrutiny.�

It's hard to see this as anything but an early presidential campaign.

And as a bonus, he's going after higher education too! With bonus corruption!
https://twitter.com/TB_Times/status/1516549000836620292

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In a wide-ranging news conference at The Villages that took swings at Twitter and alleged that textbook publishers were peddling hidden agendas, DeSantis criticized what he called �lifetime appointments� for university professors.

�We need to make sure the faculty are held accountable and make sure they don�t just have tenure forever without having any type of ways to hold them accountable or evaluate what they�re doing,� DeSantis said. �It�s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state�s priorities are and, frankly, the priorities of the parents throughout the state of Florida.�

Every five years, he said, tenured faculty would be required to go before their university�s board of trustees, which could part ways with them. The text of the bill does not give that level of specificity but rather states a five-year review would take place to be determined by the state Board of Governors. Each state university already requires tenured professors to take part in an annual review.

�Tenure was there to protect people so that they could do ideas that may cause them to lose their job or whatever, academic freedom � I don�t know that�s really the role it plays, quite frankly, anymore,� DeSantis said. �I think what tenure does, if anything, it�s created more of an intellectual orthodoxy. For people that have dissenting views, it becomes harder for them to be tenured in the first place and then, once you�re tenured, your productivity really declines, particularly in certain disciplines.�

House Speaker Chris Sprowls called the legislation a way to prevent �indoctrination.�

He also said it would increase transparency with a provision that would require course syllabuses to be posted online, preventing attempts by professors to �smuggle in ideology and politics.� Sprowls said it would prevent students from signing up for a class on �socialism and communism� when they thought they were signing up for �Western democracy� and classes about �what it means to be an actual American.�

�That�s what this bill is about,� Sprowls said. �Are (students) going to walk into a university system that�s more about indoctrination than it is about getting getting jobs someday and learning skills and the subject matter necessary to get a job? Or is it about some sort of radical political agenda that a particular professor that�s been told they get a lifetime job is going to tell them they have to believe to get an A in their class?�

Andrew Gothard, president of United Faculty of Florida, said the comments by DeSantis and Sprowls reflected a deep misunderstanding of how higher education works.

...

The bill signed Tuesday also took on accreditation agencies, requiring state universities to switch accreditors after each cycle. Some faculty leaders have expressed fears that the measure could cause Florida schools to lose research funds and federal student aid.

The provision stems from friction last year between some state leaders and the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges, the accrediting organization for universities in the Southeast. The group had raised questions about political influence at Florida State University and the University of Florida.

At FSU, the issue arose after education commissioner Richard Corcoran made a bid to become the university�s president. Corcoran spoke at Tuesday�s news conference in favor of the bill.

DeSantis said the provision created added accountability.

�It�s going to end this accreditation monopoly,� he said. �The role that these accreditation agencies play, I don�t even know where they come from. They basically are just self-anointed. They have an inordinate amount of power to shape what is going on at these universities.�

# ? Apr 20, 2022 00:26

Edgar Allen Ho: Apr 3, 2017; by sebmojo

FizFashizzle posted:

I'm not going to google it but it's likely just not having a doctor available to pronounce while private EMS does half assed compressions and pushes amio until they get to the nearest hospital.

I guarantee you people have died there. I guarantee it happens quite frequently.

Of course they do. When somebody dies on a ride or other disney-related poo poo (let's sneak in via electrified monorail track!) it hits national news. Plus sometimes grandpa strokes out on vacation. For some reason the internet has decided the mouse is stealing away corpses and silencing the families.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 00:30

Wayne Knight: May 11, 2006

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

(let's sneak in via electrified monorail track!)

I'm 99% sure the monorail tracks aren't electrified. The monorails have horizontally oriented tires that straddle the beam. The monorail-related deaths were due to someone falling off the rail when trying to sneak in, or due to a monorail crash. (RIP monorail purple)

...I like monorails, ok?

# ? Apr 20, 2022 01:09

virtualboyCOLOR: Dec 22, 2004

Main Paineframe posted:

Yeah, it seems like DeSantis is going full culture war right now. He's also insisting that because Florida's pension fund owns some Twitter shares, Florida has grounds to go after Twitter for not letting Elon Musk take them over without the board's say-so.
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1516532855479816195

It's hard to see this as anything but an early presidential campaign.

And as a bonus, he's going after higher education too! With bonus corruption!
https://twitter.com/TB_Times/status/1516549000836620292

He�ll likely win the 2024 presidential candidacy and election if he runs.

Unlike democrats, he actually delivers on what he promises his voters. This motivates the base.

Also I think it�s perfectly fine he goes after the mouse even if they are for stupid reasons. No one should defend Disney here. The target of your enemy is not necessarily your friend after all.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 01:11

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

The 'more transparency for tenured faculty' thing is just peak irony when the legislature recently passed a bill that would make state university president hiring private now. Previously it was public.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 01:16

Spoke Lee: Dec 31, 2004; chairizard lol

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

Also I think it�s perfectly fine he goes after the mouse even if they are for stupid reasons. No one should defend Disney here. The target of your enemy is not necessarily your friend after all.

It doesn't have to be defending Disney. The why is important if it has a chilling effect on being able to leverage national public sentiment into economic consequences for these state . Sometimes that's the only tactic that has any measurable effect in a state with no political opposition in control of any levers of power.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 01:54

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

haveblue posted:

Since 1967, the complex (region, really) consisting of Disney World and its supporting facilities has functioned as a Disney-governed enclave within Florida. But now Ron DeSantis is so incensed that Disney has made a few belated, halfhearted statements against the Don't Say Gay Act that he's trying to undo that.

It sucks to even consider siding with DeSantis, but on the other hand "disney-governed enclave" is probably not something that should have existed in the first place. On the third hand, Florida wouldn't dare to hurt one of the top tourist destinations in the world and all the money it brings in, right?

Right? It's like Suaron fighting with Saruman.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 02:07

virtualboyCOLOR: Dec 22, 2004

Spoke Lee posted:

It doesn't have to be defending Disney. The why is important if it has a chilling effect on being able to leverage national public sentiment into economic consequences for these state . Sometimes that's the only tactic that has any measurable effect in a state with no political opposition in control of any levers of power.

Sorry but I�m not going to side with capitalists who exploit workers and use literal slave labor. That doesn�t mean I�m siding with DeSantis either. It hard to get work up about DeSantis in any capacity with the ruling party had demonstrated that just aren�t interested in preventing him from violating human rights.

FlamingLiberal posted:

The 'more transparency for tenured faculty' thing is just peak irony when the legislature recently passed a bill that would make state university president hiring private now. Previously it was public.

The hypocrisy is a feature not a flaw. I think people put too many stakes in pointing out the hippocratic nature of politicians when the voting base is on board. Why does this �peak irony� matter when DeSantis is delivering the platform he was voted on.

Folks really need to start understanding the meaning behind �the ends justify the means�. The republicans get it.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 02:39

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Spoke Lee posted:

It doesn't have to be defending Disney. The why is important if it has a chilling effect on being able to leverage national public sentiment into economic consequences for these state . Sometimes that's the only tactic that has any measurable effect in a state with no political opposition in control of any levers of power.

Maybe Florida democrat party officials should do something other than ask me to vote for more lovely cops and/or war criminals so that they can strip away Disney's self governance for altruistic reasons, which they will definitely do if we just elect enough of them

# ? Apr 20, 2022 02:46

DeadlyMuffin: Jul 3, 2007

Willa Rogers posted:

Any guesses as to why the Biden administration didn't immediately appeal the TSA mask ruling by the Trump-appointed judge, and ask for a stay?

Was the administration preparing to let it lapse after the latest extension?

It doesn't look like they were planning on just letting it expire.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/19/politics/white-house-mask-mandate-travel-changes/index.html

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:05

theCalamity: Oct 23, 2010; Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

It�s this kind of stuff that makes me believe that the Democrats will do nothing to stop fascism and will sometimes signal towards it. Moving to end this racist policy was a step in the right direction, but now they might delay it

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:08

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

It�s this kind of stuff that makes me believe that the Democrats will do nothing to stop fascism and will sometimes signal towards it. Moving to end this racist policy was a step in the right direction, but now they might delay it

This seems like something that should go in the immigration thread.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:11

Normy: Jul 1, 2004; Do I Krushchev?

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

Sorry but I’m not going to side with capitalists who exploit workers and use literal slave labor. That doesn’t mean I’m siding with DeSantis either. It hard to get work up about DeSantis in any capacity with the ruling party had demonstrated that just aren’t interested in preventing him from violating human rights.

The hypocrisy is a feature not a flaw. I think people put too many stakes in pointing out the hippocratic nature of politicians when the voting base is on board. Why does this “peak irony” matter when DeSantis is delivering the platform he was voted on.

Folks really need to start understanding the meaning behind “the ends justify the means”. The republicans get it.

So DeSantis gets his way and Disney is brought to heel. What happens to gays and trans people across the US after that?

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:29

Kalit: Nov 6, 2006; The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

It�s this kind of stuff that makes me believe that the Democrats will do nothing to stop fascism and will sometimes signal towards it. Moving to end this racist policy was a step in the right direction, but now they might delay it

Sounds like Biden is farther left than a number of others in the party on this issue. Sounds like a good leader in times like these!

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:30

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Normy posted:

So DeSantis gets his way and Disney is brought to heel. What happens to gays and trans people across the US after that?

If the Disney corporation is our last hope to repealing legislature then we're absolutely hosed already.

Legitimately I have no idea how to answer your question. What will happen to gays and trans people across the country if the Disney corporation loses special status in Florida because they said a bill should probably be repealed only after not saying anything as it passed and donating money to the politicians who passed it?

Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 20, 2022

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:33

BRAKE FOR MOOSE: Jun 6, 2001

Normy posted:

So DeSantis gets his way and Disney is brought to heel. What happens to gays and trans people across the US after that?

well I guess they can't go to Disney World

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:42

Bishyaler: Dec 30, 2009; Megamarm

Kalit posted:

Sounds like Biden is farther left than a number of others in the party on this issue. Sounds like a good leader in times like these!

A good leader would've ended Title 42 his first day in office, instead of continuing to use the "Stephen Miller Special" to deny immigration and asylum to everyone (except for lily white Ukrainian refugees entering through the southern border). It was also ruled unlawful on March 4th, so we're already a month and a half into Biden carrying out illegal deportations under Title 42.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 03:46

Tnega: Oct 26, 2010; Pillbug

Bishyaler posted:

we're already a month and a half into Biden carrying out illegal deportations under Title 42.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good, I'm sure the Biden administration feels really bad about it, rather than the alternative.

In news, NASA wants to take close up pictures of Uranus.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 04:23

virtualboyCOLOR: Dec 22, 2004

Normy posted:

So DeSantis gets his way and Disney is brought to heel. What happens to gays and trans people across the US after that?

That�s up to whether the party in power wants to actually do anything about it.

But�

theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

If how Dems treat immigrants and refugees is anything to go by�something tells me the Dems, and their supporters, are perfectly happy with what is happening to gays and trans around the country.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 04:59

Normy: Jul 1, 2004; Do I Krushchev?

Gumball Gumption posted:

If the Disney corporation is our last hope to repealing legislature then we're absolutely hosed already.

Legitimately I have no idea how to answer your question. What will happen to gays and trans people across the country if the Disney corporation loses special status in Florida because they said a bill should probably be repealed only after not saying anything as it passed and donating money to the politicians who passed it?

It's just the sad culture war reality that any ground lost emboldens the hate mob. If you give them an inch they see it as a total victory.

I don't want to support Disney but I want to signal to them that they're doing the right thing. It seems like corporate culture is really driving trans acceptance these days and I don't want to see a reversal of the positive gender inclusivity we're seeing in that realm.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 05:47

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Since a lot of people were wondering, DeSantis' spokesman did post one (1) single example of what they're decrying as CRT in math education.

Though it's not taken from a math textbook, or even from Florida. It's a printout from an online teaching documents site, which a Missouri Republican's wife got from a student and posted on Twitter two months ago.
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1515504832550944769
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1515506932089511940

Of course, it's obviously not CRT, nor does it have anything to do with race at all other than being about a black poet. Apparently, using the three letters "s", "e", and "x" together is now considered CRT. To say nothing of scandalous words like "pimp" or "abuse"!
https://twitter.com/CMartinForMO/status/1495939205511499777

So far, neither her nor DeSantis have given any examples of banned material in Florida textbooks. But just from this, we can get a sense of how widely they're casting the net and how far they're stretching the term. I'd guess that literally any content a hardcore conservative might find objectionable ended up covered under the CRT ban.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 06:16

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

InsertPotPun posted:

every person becomes a politician knowing this, it's basic common sense. but they go to work on their first day rubbing their hands together, excitedly explain this new way of thinking to their new colleagues, and get blank stares. and...eventually...just stop...
they say you can see how you're going to die in the flash right before the light in their eyes goes out forever

Given some of the crop of politicians we're getting I'd say certainly not every person. We've definitely got a generation of establishment politicians who think it's literally all about giving grand speeches, standing there looking dignified and making performative gestures about how bad things are bad. And of course enjoying all the nice important people giving you money.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They have apparently already announced a retroactive automatic fix for this.

This is the first time I have ever seen the federal government in general and Biden admin specifically actually quickly fix a problem related to student loans.

It honestly didn't make sense in the first place since they waived the Trump admin PSLF policies and went from 1% approval to 99% approval, but didn't do the same thing for IDR.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1516489506106621953

Wow. Really is Democratic policy in a nutshell when their carefully crafted means-tested 'smart' policy is such an obvious laughable failure that they immediately have to manually intervene in a way that we're assured would be political suicide for some reason in any other context.

Normy posted:

It's just the sad culture war reality that any ground lost emboldens the hate mob. If you give them an inch they see it as a total victory.

I don't want to support Disney but I want to signal to them that they're doing the right thing. It seems like corporate culture is really driving trans acceptance these days and I don't want to see a reversal of the positive gender inclusivity we're seeing in that realm.

Also it's fun to catch the corporate vs political culture wars, it's like the monster turning on its creator. The contradictions become impossible to ignore and something has to give. I want to see blood! Actual stormtroopers marching through the streets of Miami!

# ? Apr 20, 2022 07:01

Nameless Pete: May 8, 2007; Get a load of those...

Disney's got a bigger and more fortified system of tunnels than that Ukrainian steel mill. They could outlast a siege.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 07:10

Nelson Mandingo: Mar 27, 2005

I don't understand the reluctance of Dems to ever do anything with "But Republicans might say mean things about us in relation to x y z".

They're going to do it anyway. So just do it. How is this hard to understand?

# ? Apr 20, 2022 08:18

superjew: Sep 5, 2007; No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!

Nelson Mandingo posted:

"But Republicans might say mean things about us in relation to x y z".

Please stop plagiarizing from CRT math textbooks.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 11:20

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Main Paineframe posted:

Since a lot of people were wondering, DeSantis' spokesman did post one (1) single example of what they're decrying as CRT in math education.

Though it's not taken from a math textbook, or even from Florida. It's a printout from an online teaching documents site, which a Missouri Republican's wife got from a student and posted on Twitter two months ago.
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1515504832550944769
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1515506932089511940

Of course, it's obviously not CRT, nor does it have anything to do with race at all other than being about a black poet. Apparently, using the three letters "s", "e", and "x" together is now considered CRT. To say nothing of scandalous words like "pimp" or "abuse"!
https://twitter.com/CMartinForMO/status/1495939205511499777

So far, neither her nor DeSantis have given any examples of banned material in Florida textbooks. But just from this, we can get a sense of how widely they're casting the net and how far they're stretching the term. I'd guess that literally any content a hardcore conservative might find objectionable ended up covered under the CRT ban.

do we really have to shoehorn American history into algebra homework? It's not a 'big deal' but it just seems weird & clunky to me, is there a benefit to combining unrelated subjects like this?

# ? Apr 20, 2022 11:49

Meatball: Mar 2, 2003; That's a Spicy Meatball; Pillbug

theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

It’s this kind of stuff that makes me believe that the Democrats will do nothing to stop fascism and will sometimes signal towards it. Moving to end this racist policy was a step in the right direction, but now they might delay it

They're falling into the trap Obama did and think the Republicans are honest actors that respond to reality.

They will keep title 42 and the Republicans will act like it's repealed and say "Joe Biden is letting illegals stream over the border!". Which is the same thing they'd do if he repealed it.

They're pissing off their voters in another losing gambit to appease Republicans.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 12:09

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

Oh good, so now we're moving on from "lol CRT in elementary school classrooms isn't a thing" to "hmm ok so that cherry-picked hypothetical conceptual thing someone found on a website somewhere actually looks pretty bad so let's debate the merits of CRT in the classroom,"?

# ? Apr 20, 2022 12:12

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# ? May 23, 2024 12:29

Srice: Sep 11, 2011

Meatball posted:

They're falling into the trap Obama did and think the Republicans are honest actors that respond to reality.

They will keep title 42 and the Republicans will act like it's repealed and say "Joe Biden is letting illegals stream over the border!". Which is the same thing they'd do if he repealed it.

They're pissing off their voters in another losing gambit to appease Republicans.

Title 42 being kept after all this would be the dumbest possible outcome so that's what I expect at this point. I would love to be wrong but I just get the sense that this is one of those delays that's gonna keep kicking the can down the road, satisfying nobody.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 12:14

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