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therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

NotJustANumber99 posted:

It's not great for us either though.

In the short term,definitely, maybe less so in medium/long term. I think he is doing irreparable damage to the Tories and the longer he does so, the better

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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Can't wait for Kieth to win by default and for it to be portrayed as a great victory for sensible centrism and a sign that the Left needs to gently caress off forever

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

therattle posted:

In the short term,definitely, maybe less so in medium/long term. I think he is doing irreparable damage to the Tories and the longer he does so, the better

That's like being glad Hitler hung around doing all that damage to the Nazi movement, complete with the ideological mass murder.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

therattle posted:

In the short term,definitely, maybe less so in medium/long term. I think he is doing irreparable damage to the Tories and the longer he does so, the better

The electorate have memories like fish.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Lord of the Llamas posted:

The electorate have memories like fish.

and frequently suffer from False Memory Syndrome. Note how many believe The 3-Day Week was under a Labour government when it was under Edward Heath.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


Got my mayoral election postal vote for Sheffield.

Noticed a candidate for something called the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition. https://www.tusc.org.uk/

Anyone heard of them?

EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

Mebh posted:

Got my mayoral election postal vote for Sheffield.

Noticed a candidate for something called the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition. https://www.tusc.org.uk/

Anyone heard of them?

I've voted for them before but I can't remember if they're any good these days.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Mebh posted:

Got my mayoral election postal vote for Sheffield.

Noticed a candidate for something called the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition. https://www.tusc.org.uk/

Anyone heard of them?
Yeah they've been around for ages, they just didn't field any candidates against Labour during the Corbyn years. afaik it is very much a loose coalition of trade unionists & socialists, so very much a mixed bag & candidates should be judged on their individual merits, but they're unambiguously left wing & not explicitly trot/tankie/whatever, so I'd throw them a protest vote if I didn't specifically know anything bad about my local candidate.

Prominent wife beater Steve Hedley is (or used to be) very much involved with them though, so maybe give them a pass depending on your opinions on guilt by association (e: or if the candidate is Steve Hedley (e2: not to be confused with Professor Steve Hedley, who runs the Private Law Theory blog & afaik has never been accused of domestic violence (e3:lmao if you google "steve hedley" it comes up with the details of the professor & the picture of the former RMT gen sec, it's H from Steps all over again (but like toned down a few notches))))

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Apr 21, 2022

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Jedit posted:

That's like being glad Hitler hung around doing all that damage to the Nazi movement, complete with the ideological mass murder.

I'm not sure that's a particularly apt analogy. Nazism was inextricably bound up with Hitler in a way that Conservatism isn't bound up with Johnson.


Lord of the Llamas posted:

The electorate have memories like fish.

True. Although there is REAL rage about some of this stuff that I don't think will fade easily for many.


I have been meaning to write about transport after the thrilling discussions here about car ownership. When I started taking my son to school I bought a bike and a trailer. (It's only about a 1.3 mile ride but that would take two buses, or if driving, a lot of traffic. Biking works fantastically for it. It's too far for him to walk at any pace and he can't cycle). The trailer worked absolutely brilliantly (the idea is great and it was a really terrific trailer) and I was sad when he outgrew it. It not only held him comfortably and safely but it also had a surprisingly capacious cargo area. I then moved onto a classic Dutch box bike (bakfiets), which also worked well. It wasn't as much fun to ride as it was heavy, and hills were hard (especially as my son grew) but it was a good tool for a limited use (school run and very local errands). Being able to just chuck boxes and groceries etc into the box was very handy. He eventually outgrew the straps on that and he was getting too heavy. I recently got an ebike cargo-bike - a mid-tail, so he has a seat pad and frame and sits behind me. My wife is also happy using it in a way she wasn't with the trailer or bakfiets. I have a rack and crate on the front for his stuff, groceries, etc. Ebikes are loving amazing. A cargo ebike is better yet. The company that makes the bike has tried to make a car replacement, and for many uses they have succeeded. With lower cost and better power of ebikes, a e-cargo-bike has become a really useful, versatile thing. The biggest downside is price. However, unless you are regularly carrying people a trailer would work very well. I don't understand why they aren't more widely used. You can get a cheap trailer and attach it to your bike whenever you need it, and especially if you have an ebike (which can be got for a reasonable sum), you can transport a lot of stuff quite a distance. You only need to be reasonably able-bodied (which I appreciate not everyone is but a lot of people are), not super fit.

I really highly recommend ebikes, and an ebike plus cheap trailer is extremely useful and versatile. It can replace a car for a really high number of local journeys, comfortably up to about 5 miles if not more.

Thank you for attending my TED Talk.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Jaeluni Asjil posted:

and frequently suffer from False Memory Syndrome. Note how many believe The 3-Day Week was under a Labour government when it was under Edward Heath.

Most of the electorate still seem to think we're just now coming out of a labour government which was responsible for every bad thing to happen in the 2010s.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

therattle posted:

In the short term,definitely, maybe less so in medium/long term. I think he is doing irreparable damage to the Tories and the longer he does so, the better

While the vast majority of the mainstream press are on Team Tory he can do whatever he likes and none of it will cause irreparable damage.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Lungboy posted:

While the vast majority of the mainstream press are on Team Tory he can do whatever he likes and none of it will cause irreparable damage.

To the Tories, anyway.

I'd also dispute that conservatism isn't as linked to Johnson as Nazism was to Hitler. Johnson didn't build the Conservative movement, but he is the pure distillation of it: a man who, with no consideration for personal merit, is allowed to rule over the plebs and live his life free from all consequence of his errors.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Johnson already purged anyone halfway competent & replaced them with zealots, the Tory party is (a)now pretty much the Boris Johnson party, & (b)already hosed once Johnson goes

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

therattle posted:

I know the alternative isn’t much better but I’m happy for him to stay. I think the longer he stays in the more damaging it is to the Tories.

CON +5

Mebh
May 10, 2010


Oh hey, my local council candidate (I think? loving hell it's hard to find local candidates) is followed by the UKMT podcast's very own Sanitary Naptime... and John McDonnell and Clive Lewis...

I misread the paper as mayoral, but that's the other one of which i have the stunning choice of SDP, Yorkshire Party and the usual lab/con/lib/green.


https://twitter.com/hillsided?lang=cs

Mebh fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Apr 21, 2022

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Jedit posted:

To the Tories, anyway.

I'd also dispute that conservatism isn't as linked to Johnson as Nazism was to Hitler. Johnson didn't build the Conservative movement, but he is the pure distillation of it: a man who, with no consideration for personal merit, is allowed to rule over the plebs and live his life free from all consequence of his errors.

Hitler founded and built the Nazi party, and it was in part a cult of personality. Johnson embodies aspects of conservatism which existed before him and will exist after him. A Nazi party ruling Germany without Hitler is hard to imagine. A Tory party without Johnson unfortunately isn't (despite his purges) .

I also think that for some parts of the electorate this stuff will stick, regardless of the media or short memories.

Lady Gaza
Nov 20, 2008


I was looking into getting a bike to take my children to nursery, and an ebike piqued my interest. It’s only a couple of miles away but a few hills would be a challenge dragging giant kids. Was at a bit of a loss where to start looking though. Any recommendations?

Only issue around my area (Tonbridge) is that there is a lot of traffic, makes me nervous using a trailer.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oE9FMzHJ6Q Live link to Keith having a go FYI.


Also what model of ebike do you have therattle?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Lady Gaza posted:

I was looking into getting a bike to take my children to nursery, and an ebike piqued my interest. It’s only a couple of miles away but a few hills would be a challenge dragging giant kids. Was at a bit of a loss where to start looking though. Any recommendations?

Only issue around my area (Tonbridge) is that there is a lot of traffic, makes me nervous using a trailer.

Some of the mothers of young kids I've seen round here have a sort of cart either in front or behind the bike depending whether you think it would be better for the kids to be in front of you or behind you in road safety terms?

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Someone who uses the same nursery as me always picks his son up on a bike with one of those seats mounted on the back, & jfc that would terrify me, I'd be stopping every 10 seconds to tighten up all the bolts

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost
I cancelled my sub to the Guardian due to the whole incessant TERF content but I guess I'm glad my money doesn't go toward this whatever it is either

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/21/urinal-in-my-flat-changed-my-life-so-why-are-people-appalled

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Danger - Octopus! posted:

I cancelled my sub to the Guardian due to the whole incessant TERF content but I guess I'm glad my money doesn't go toward this whatever it is either

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/21/urinal-in-my-flat-changed-my-life-so-why-are-people-appalled

Ironically that article closes with a pro trans sentiment.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Why have a urinal when most bathrooms already have a sink?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Danger - Octopus! posted:

I cancelled my sub to the Guardian due to the whole incessant TERF content but I guess I'm glad my money doesn't go toward this whatever it is either

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/21/urinal-in-my-flat-changed-my-life-so-why-are-people-appalled

A fun game for the thread, see if you can, as I did, guess who wrote the article based purely on the UR(ina)L alone.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Adrian Chiles is a genius and his column is the best thing about The Guardian

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

bit pedantic but Hitler hijacked an existing right-wing populist party which he then built up into the NSDAP

that's right, Hitler was a trot

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
My preference would be for a chariot pulled along by a pack of harnessed segways, a segway drawn carriage.

And at xmas I could put a red LED on the front one and dress as santa.

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!

peanut- posted:

Adrian Chiles is a genius and his column is the best thing about The Guardian

You know how some fruit is only good when it's decayed a bit? That's Adrian Chiles' brain. Pure Content dribbling out of his ears

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

peanut- posted:

Adrian Chiles is a genius and his column is the best thing about The Guardian

I don't think i would say he is a genius, but yes it is possible that he is the best thing about the guardian, I more get the impression that he is engaged in some sort of prolonged nepotism based rehabilitation program for the most bored middle aged, middle class man in existence.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Danger - Octopus! posted:

I cancelled my sub to the Guardian due to the whole incessant TERF content but I guess I'm glad my money doesn't go toward this whatever it is either

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/21/urinal-in-my-flat-changed-my-life-so-why-are-people-appalled
He doesn’t specifically say it’s in the bathroom so I’m going to assume he’s also behind this Reddit post:

quote:

I have a urinal in my living room and my new girlfriend cannot handle it - she says she will leave

domhal
Dec 30, 2008


0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/current-affairs/bbc-pay-2020-salaries/

Got to supplement with a little action on the side when you're not in the big leagues.

https://twitter.com/cg_williams/status/1420025206463139848

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Some of the mothers of young kids I've seen round here have a sort of cart either in front or behind the bike depending whether you think it would be better for the kids to be in front of you or behind you in road safety terms?



My bakfiets was like that. Different model but same basic principle. An electric version would be an excellent tool.

Borrovan posted:

Someone who uses the same nursery as me always picks his son up on a bike with one of those seats mounted on the back, & jfc that would terrify me, I'd be stopping every 10 seconds to tighten up all the bolts

i really don't like those. My son is too big anyway but the centre of gravity is very different, especially on a normal bike. I'd feel very insecure. My bike has small wheels to lower the centre of gravity. It's a Tern HSD S8i, and I LOVE it. Pricey but you get what you pay for.


Lady Gaza posted:

I was looking into getting a bike to take my children to nursery, and an ebike piqued my interest. It’s only a couple of miles away but a few hills would be a challenge dragging giant kids. Was at a bit of a loss where to start looking though. Any recommendations?

Only issue around my area (Tonbridge) is that there is a lot of traffic, makes me nervous using a trailer.

i actually think that a trailer is safest. (My wife didn't like being able to see it though). I had a Burley trailer (which was also quite expensive but SO, SO good - it's seriously one of the best tings I have ever bought - good idea, excellent, thoughtful design, and then very well made) and it basically has an aluminium roll cage. I had a bad fall once on my way to school pick-up, so the trailer was empty, and although the bike fell over and sprawled across the tarmac the trailer remained upright. Whereas if you fall over with a cargo bike, the child falls with you. Burley does trailers for two kids, and you can fit a hitch to pretty much any bike. Trailers also provide the kids with the best weather protection as they are completely weatherproof. Stick them in with a blanket and hot water bottle in winter and they'll be fine. I can't recommend a standard ebike to pull it but there must be a lot of options.

I also found that drivers were generally very respectful when they saw the trailer (and still are when the see I have a kid). I have had far more near-accidents from pedestrians not looking where they are going than from bad drivers.

I have a Tern HSD; the big brother (and it is a big, heavy, powerful beast) is the GSD. It'll take two kids (or even a kid and adult) either sitting on a pad or in child seats (like the Yepp). The alternative is something like the Bakfiets, but the ebike version. Th best advice is try before you buy. I hired my Tern for a week from a charity called Carry me, where if you buy the bike you get 80% of the rental price deducted.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Borrovan posted:

Someone who uses the same nursery as me always picks his son up on a bike with one of those seats mounted on the back, & jfc that would terrify me, I'd be stopping every 10 seconds to tighten up all the bolts

It's not too bad to be honest but it does mess with the balancing on the bike.

Also it's a real pain when you have to go up a hill and you're pulling a 10kg+ meatball in addition to your own goony flab.

Lady Gaza posted:

I was looking into getting a bike to take my children to nursery, and an ebike piqued my interest. It’s only a couple of miles away but a few hills would be a challenge dragging giant kids. Was at a bit of a loss where to start looking though. Any recommendations?

Only issue around my area (Tonbridge) is that there is a lot of traffic, makes me nervous using a trailer.

I've seen various types of electric cargo bike - Bakfiets seem to get good reviews. They're all stupidly expensive even before you go electric. I suspect dedicated, electric child-carrier bike would easily cost as much as a small car. Places seen to offer try before you buy so I would definitely do that if possible.

Back mounted seats means less of a view for the little one but I've gone with one as I he's (marginally) more likely to survive to collect on my life insurance if anything happens. Conversely if you have the kids in front they'll be like baby ablative armour and you can always make more right? :thunk:

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
I read an interview earlier with Chiles, seems like a nice affable chap. Not very smart but he picks up a cheque twice a week for a couple of paragraphs of whatever thought has just slid off his brain. Isn't mean, doesn't attack people, no drama just a wholesome good egg.

He met his wife (the editor of the guardian) at work.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Also while I am at it there is something deeply wrong with anyone who thinks urinals are good in a personal residence, it is your house, you should sit down to piss, do you sleep propped up in the corner of a room? do you wear a shirt and tie when you are not at work? why the gently caress would you not piss in comfort?

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Z the IVth posted:

It's not too bad to be honest but it does mess with the balancing on the bike.

Also it's a real pain when you have to go up a hill and you're pulling a 10kg+ meatball in addition to your own goony flab.


Try going up a hill when you have a big, heavy bike (easily 30kg) and a 25kg child. That's why I eventually sold it.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



OwlFancier posted:

Also while I am at it there is something deeply wrong with anyone who thinks urinals are good in a personal residence, it is your house, you should sit down to piss, do you sleep propped up in the corner of a room? do you wear a shirt and tie when you are not at work? why the gently caress would you not piss in comfort?

This but also everywhere else. gently caress urinals.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

In public they make more sense because you probably don't want to sit on something other people have pissed on. But at home I am not subject to the barbarism of the masses.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
You can sit in a urinal if it has the right wall brackets.

But I'm 100% sitpissing masterrace, in fact I'm pissing right now. Im always pissing.

Standing to piss in your own home is just patriarchy

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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Mebh posted:

I was thinking maybe someone like that Alfred guy from the tv series about Batmans butler when he was young.

Pennyworth is not a bad watch, btw, though a bit....weird. For one thing, it's subtle (there's a couple of throwaway lines that make it clear) but it's an alternate universe where we came to a negotiated peace with the Nazis in WW2. (Also, look out for the street gibbets in the first? second? episode...). Anyway Alfred ends up fighting on the side of (not explicitly named as such) revolutionary socialism, so.

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