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it's a bagel because bagels are made of wheat (poison) and despair is like the wheat for the human soul
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It’s a bagel because they often have cream cheese and East Asians have a higher rate of lactose intolerance. This is why it is killing everyone
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Apr 24, 2022 09:37
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I meant a Bagel was a symbol of Westernized food because Chinese, Japanese, and many other Asian cultures view breads as a desert or a treat, they aren’t bread cultures, a giant wheat/gluten bomb like a bagel isn’t part of their culture the same way the lovingly/irritatedly tended rice cooker is. A bagel isn’t something Joy would have grown up loving if she were a Chinese born woman, but she’s American, so a good bagel can mean everythingGaius Marius posted:Having an interpretation based on Joy losing touch with their culture that's based on you stripping the Bagel of it's own cultural connection and origin is ironic and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, I’m Jewish, I’m not stripping away a Bagel’s cultural relevance to Jews, but also there are more Jews in Manhattan than in Tel Aviv, so if you wanted to make an argument that bagels are a mostly American food in 2022 I think you could do that. It’s like Pizza, when people think of real pizza, no one loving thinks of Italy, they think of New York. The lunchpin of the movie being a bagel is significant but not in a way the movie outright states and it’s one of the more fun speculatory chestnuts to crack. Symbolism!
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Apr 24, 2022 12:52
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The bagel is just some dumb poo poo Joy read on internet one time and decided to obsess over it to the point of giving it a multiversal gravitational pull.
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Apr 24, 2022 13:19
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Bust Rodd posted:I meant a Bagel was a symbol of Westernized food because Chinese, Japanese, and many other Asian cultures view breads as a desert or a treat, they aren’t bread cultures, a giant wheat/gluten bomb like a bagel isn’t part of their culture the same way the lovingly/irritatedly tended rice cooker is. A bagel isn’t something Joy would have grown up loving if she were a Chinese born woman, but she’s American, so a good bagel can mean everything I mean this is off track and regardless of your point on origins of food I don’t think your thing works. But I promise you the world does not think of loving New York City instead of Italy with pizza Jfc get a grip
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Apr 24, 2022 15:44
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teacup posted:
You would if you’d tried what italians consider pizza
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Apr 24, 2022 16:15
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:You would if you’d tried what italians consider pizza Margherita isn't bad, it's just not the platonic ideal of a pizza anymore
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Apr 24, 2022 16:23
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The Everything Bagel is a reference to the torus topology in cosmology. So Alpha-Joy takes the open infinite multiverse and places it into this closed finite topology whereby the necessary density is made to achieve singularity.
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Apr 24, 2022 16:24
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In my universe the bagel has symbolism for the cross generational divide of the immigrant experience and in your universe it’s just funny because bagels are, just, like, so random lol and it’s just, like, a silly play on words. You can’t put everything on a bagel, thatd be ridiculous!
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Apr 24, 2022 17:24
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Bust Rodd posted:In my universe the bagel has symbolism for the cross generational divide of the immigrant experience and in your universe it’s just funny because bagels are, just, like, so random lol and it’s just, like, a silly play on words. You can’t put everything on a bagel, thatd be ridiculous! Because of multiversal cross posting all takes can be correct and adapt the strengths of other takes to suit their needs. The generational aspect of the bagel is that it's a really dumb thing that Joy takes seriously to the point where Handmaidens tend to it. This force of will is a direct strength inherited by Waymond. He is also dumb and obsessed with a dumb American thing and that's why he puts googlie eyes on everything and tends to the happiness of all within his domain and presence. It's felt so hard that when his wife transcends and opens her third eye it takes the form of that dumb as gently caress googly eye that Weymond has been obsessed with since the like the *checks Wikipedia* they invented in the 1920s? as an pop culture export...? Their philosophical will has real impact on the world. But it is also dumb as poo poo that is exactly as deep as their two sentence explainations.
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Apr 24, 2022 19:06
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I think it's great that we're taking an interpretive approach that matches the detached glibness of the film itself.
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Apr 24, 2022 23:19
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It’s the Daniels The most correct interpretation is the most vulgar one. Therefore butthole.
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Apr 24, 2022 23:22
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Saw this yesterday and really enjoyed it. Wonderfully optimistic
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Apr 24, 2022 23:49
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Was listening to an interview and was reminded of the empathy fight. Such a fun way to visually battle with kindness. The movie seems to be connecting with a diverse audience, particularly Asian communities. A thread on the grassroots style of marketing used: https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1517983218527399936?s=21&t=jzPy1309bOML4OCrOq06Bg
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Apr 25, 2022 00:46
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Hello, I really enjoyed this movie, and thought it was good. It made me laugh, but also cry. We now return to guys pushing 40 making up the most insane bullshit they can make up. Cream cheese is there as the Asian's sublimated desire to have a European digestive enzyme, things of that nature
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Apr 25, 2022 02:43
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Always happy to meet the bullshit quota It was bugging me that Waymond was missing from bagel chat, so I was mulling over how to drag him into it. First up is something the movie itself points out, that Racacooie and the alt-self access headgear are sort of the same thing, letting your body be guided by the skills of another intelligence. "Was I raccoon Waymond again?" This also relates to his habit of slapping googly eyes onto things, which visually connotes the instilling of consciousness/intelligence, and eventually culminates in Evelyn using the googly-third-eye in lieu of the alt-self headgear... ...but the idea of having another self plugged into you in order to excel brings us back to the butt plug, and how it gets introduced as a symbol of achievement? So it's like Waymond is in various capacities acting as the head-needle from the Matrix, plugging into your brain and teaching you kung fu. Or if you wanna emphasize the dildo/buttplug angle, it's funny that Waymond insists the googly eyes make items happier when he's the one that filled Evelyn up with "Joy"
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Apr 25, 2022 03:33
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In 2019, Portrait of a Woman On Fire pushed the idea of The Female Gaze as a counter to The Male Gaze. The idea was that the Female Gaze was one of getting to know your subject, loving them as you learned more about them, unlike the selfish, objectifying male gaze Waymond is a counter-counter to that, suggesting that men are also capable of gazing at people lovingly and with empathy. Enough so that after Evelyn experiences other lives and gains the ability to care about others she adopts Waymond’s symbol
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Apr 25, 2022 04:30
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https://twitter.com/JeremyTiang/status/1516769507985010693 Alt titles for the film in mainland China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan
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Apr 25, 2022 07:53
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mmmmalo posted:"Was I raccoon Waymond again?"
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He wasn't, but Evelyn uses Ratatouille to try to explain the whole alt-self possession situation and Waymond accepts the metaphor.
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Apr 25, 2022 08:28
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I like that Evelyn grows, and then grows even more her first stage of growth is that she starts to empathize with others because she experienced other lives for herself. She understands as far as “what if it happened to you” goes. She is the main character/first person in these experiences. Her next stage of growth is that she is able to empathize with others without experiencing their lives for herself, she simply sees their lives from their point of view, in scenarios where they are the main character and she is a third person camera I think the takeaway from this is that you don’t have to have experienced the same things as someone else to empathize with them, you simply need to care Edit: Alpha Waymond teaches her how to receive skills from others. Laundromat Waymond’s love lets her give to others what they need Subtle, but really cool Edit: Alpha Waymond is the scifi action hero and CEO Waymond is the financially successful one, but Alpha Waymond is willing to sacrifice several inter dimensional Evelyns and Joys for his mission, and CEO Waymond feels his life is empty. CEO Waymond just emphasizes how much Laundromat Waymond loves and appreciates Evelyn. Although Alpha Waymond supplies Evelyn with the ability to experience other lives, the true empathy that Evelyn needs to win back her daughter is something she gets from Laundromat Waymond Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Apr 25, 2022 10:03
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Steve Yun posted:It’s the Daniels I always tell people that the Daniels brand is connecting vulgarity with sincerity and boy did they not disappoint with this one.
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Apr 25, 2022 15:41
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One of them talked about making the movie pg13, but they decided that since they grew up on the internet, they had to include the vulgar in a film about generational conflict.
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Apr 25, 2022 17:49
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If it was PG13 then it would be a Lord and Miller movie
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Apr 25, 2022 18:00
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This movie kicks major rear end that's all I have to contribute for now
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Apr 25, 2022 18:42
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Saw the movie twice, loved it even more the second time and probably cried even more too. Possibly my favorite movie of all time. Even though I'm a black guy in his late 30's I connected to Joys pain in a way that I was not prepared for. I just got done reading the original version of the script with Jackie Chan in the lead and hated it more than I can put into words here. And I'm a huge Jackie Chan fan, but that version lacks all the heart and emotion of the film. Not to mention Joy's not even really much of a character there and I still have no idea what that version of Jobu was trying to do. Even beyond the script, I can't imagine a version of this movie working without Michelle Yeoh in the lead.
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Apr 25, 2022 20:22
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JT Smiley posted:Saw the movie twice, loved it even more the second time and probably cried even more too. Possibly my favorite movie of all time. Even though I'm a black guy in his late 30's I connected to Joys pain in a way that I was not prepared for. It’s a real plus for the movie that although the movie is uniquely about Asian immigrants in America, a lot of it is relatable to all people. Anything about parental disappointment is easy for an audience member to mentally scratch out and fill in with their own experience growing up
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Apr 25, 2022 20:59
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JT Smiley posted:
I would like to know where I can read this
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Apr 26, 2022 05:41
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Steve Yun posted:I would like to know where I can read this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QzPPj4IxtMuphScNu1-KwbDcza3WAXVb/view?usp=sharing
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can't wait to see this! gosh darn its hard to avoid spoilers on the internet. Luckily, all that's been spoilt for me is: there is a bagel or bagel imagery involved I will say this film is giving me joy already, and its because of the countless posts I've read across the nets saying this exact sentiment "I felt this film was cathartically precisely designed for me and made me cry." Which speaks to the masterful empathy of the film makers. Can't wait!
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Apr 26, 2022 09:08
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4K/blu ray announced for June. Give us more raccacoonie.
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this was a really good movie, wow
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I hope they make a Caccacoonie short
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Skwirl posted:https://twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1519736313280294912?s=20&t=G0VUi7DykP75Hk6tOqph1g Spider-Man: Into the Hotdog-Verse
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CcGdbA4JLpq/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Must’ve been great having Jamie Lee Curtis on the cast. By all accounts she made everyone laugh the most and always showed up for shooting so she could see what was going on and give advice.
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Apr 29, 2022 07:09
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The entire soundtrack is on Spotify and I highly recommend giving it a listen.
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Apr 29, 2022 14:55
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checkplease posted:Was listening to an interview and was reminded of the empathy fight. Such a fun way to visually battle with kindness. There was a lot of knowing chuckles with Michelle Yeoh's mean dialogue with her daughter. People have been there.
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Something that immediately struck me was the busy-yet-bored attention to the rice cooker in the opening scene, that felt real This movie was so good that I went back and watched Crouching Tiger again and yeah, Michelle is a loving BEAST with the martial arts, so glad she got to stretch their claws!
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https://littleeyesofpallas.tumblr.com/post/682874052057219072 Translation/interpretation of the Chinese phrase on the final title card. TL;DR "天馬行空" means "celestial horse traverses the sky"; it's drawn from a line of verse the OP translates as “One ascends to godhood if one rises above the surface of the masses, almost as a celestial horse traversing the sky with a step out of the ordinary.” Clicks nicely with the movie's whole "being wacky gives you super powers" thing
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