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I'm honestly not trying to purposely doompost but under what scenario could Biden possibly win re-election against anyone? Every day that goes by it seems like he upsets more groups that supported him, more issues arise that will negatively affect him, more polling comes out showing him underwater with different polling bases, and with the obvious rear end whipping House Dems are going to get this year, we are not going to get a single piece of genuine progressive legislation for the next two years. Hell, Pelosi was going to ensure that anyways. It's not doomposting to acknowledge the writing on the wall. E: and from there work on change you can achieve on local levels that impact your community and push your way up BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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We don't even know who either candidate will be yet. There's no writing on the wall to acknowledge, there's not even a wall yet. Everything being stated as fact is meaningless conjecture. Even if it is Trump v Biden round 2, a lot of the unhappy groups that voted Biden will still hate Trump a lot more, and enthusiasm was equally uneven in 2020 and Biden still won despite that. The entire world can change in 2 and a half years, so stop acting like everything is already settled.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm honestly not trying to purposely doompost but under what scenario could Biden possibly win re-election against anyone? Republican Nominee Bernie Sanders? They'd pull out every and all stops to, well, stop him.
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It's always projection. Stop the steal means they want to steal. Senators not voting against a sure to fail effort proves nothing. If they get an opportunity while they also control the house that's probably going to go very differently. Maybe we'll get lucky and America democracy will be saved by Mitt Romney
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm honestly not trying to purposely doompost but under what scenario could Biden possibly win re-election against anyone? There are more than two years until the election. We have no idea what's going to happen during those two years. At the beginning of 2018, could you have predicted that Trump would lose re-election to Joe Biden because he bungled the response to a global pandemic?
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Bottom Liner posted:We don't even know who either candidate will be yet. There's no writing on the wall to acknowledge, there's not even a wall yet. Come on, it's either going to be a Weekend at Bernie's situation with Biden or Kamala because the Dems in power don't learn their lesson
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm honestly not trying to purposely doompost but under what scenario could Biden possibly win re-election against anyone? Maybe you should rely on data/prior history over generic claims. For example, the polling data I posted earlier, even though it's far out from the 2024 election, shows it's extremely close with a lot of undecided voters: Kalit posted:As others have stated, it's impossible to know at this point if Trump would win since it's so far out. The latest Harvard/Harris poll from this month shows Trump has a slight advantage, but with a large amount of people being unsure: Or you could look in the recent past. Obama was lagging in polling in 2010 against a number of hypothetical candidates, including Romney: quote:In a hypothetical 2012 matchup, Huckabee leads Obama 52 - 44 percent, while Romney has a 50-45 point advantage, which is within the poll's sampling error. Obama holds a 49-47 percent margin over Gingrich. And this is when Obama's approval rating was in the mid 40s, just a few points higher than Biden's currently is: https://news.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx Please start actually looking at data/recent history before making broad brush claims about how the election in 2 years is already decided. E: Harold Fjord posted:It's always projection. Stop the steal means they want to steal. Why would they vote differently if they had control of the senate? The leader of their own party was yelling at them to overturn the election. They could point to their voting record and claim "I always supported our leader" to their constituents to generate more enthusiasm. I can't imagine a better scenario to vote yes. There's literally no reason to hide behind a no vote. Kalit fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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PhazonLink posted:no but its another incremental step in the wrong direction. They were apparently close to declaring "Marshall Law" at one point. I don't know who this Marshall is, but it doesn't sound good. https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1518626451867713539 https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1518631522844168192 Some of the newly released texts: quote:Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows quote:Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows quote:Rep. Scott Perry to Mark Meadows quote:Rep. Andrew Clyde to Mark Meadows quote:Election Day: November 3, 2020 quote:Matt Schlapp to Mark Meadows quote:Jason Miller to Hope Hicks, Jared Kushner, Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, Bill Stepien and Ivanka Trump quote:Rep. Andy Biggs to Mark Meadows Jared Kushner was apparently the (very mild and very brief) voice of reason. He linked an article that said some of their claims were lies and then stopped. quote:Jared Kushner to Mark Meadows The White House was apparently taking calls and passing on Youtube videos from random internet commenters and Youtubers who thought they had "cracked the whole election fraud" quote:Kelli Ward to Mark Meadows Mike Lindell is actually crazy and doesn't just play a crazy guy on TV. We have even more evidence of this by his atrociously long and formatted text messages. quote:Mike Lindell to Mark Meadows quote:January 2, 2021 quote:Rep. Jim Jordan to Mark Meadows quote:Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows quote:Jason Miller to Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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60 days ago Vladimir Putin launched an imperial war of aggression against Ukraine, and subsequently reinvigorated the NATO alliance and lit a fire under European politics. The world can change quickly, and in enormous ways. I don't think it's useful at all to try and prognosticate the 2024 election in 2022.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm honestly not trying to purposely doompost but under what scenario could Biden possibly win re-election against anyone? I can imagine him barely crawling to re-election if only because of the incumbent advantage. I'm starting to wonder if the media narrative post-midterms (assuming dems lose the house) will be something like: Biden now has to compromise instead of enacting his radical left agenda. And then that somehow helps his approval ratings despite being an absurd statement on its face. But heck, two years is a long time and anything can happen.
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haveblue posted:There are more than two years until the election. We have no idea what's going to happen during those two years. At the beginning of 2018, could you have predicted that Trump would lose re-election to Joe Biden because he bungled the response to a global pandemic? I'm pretty confident in predicting Republicans will continue to radicalize themselves. That's something that I think will happen in two years. I can't say with certainty how far down the slope they'll get in two years but the end goal isn't going to change for them, they've laid out their course and they aren't changing it. My gut feeling is they've done enough legwork already to ensure that only their outcome is allowed. If that ends up wrong, nothing is actually stopping them so they'll just try again with more lessons learned and more institutions stacked their way.
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Biggest take away from those texts is that everyone involved has the language skills of a 5 year old.
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e^ its text messages / chat, thats the nature of the medium. Bottom Liner posted:We don't even know who either candidate will be yet. There's no writing on the wall to acknowledge, there's not even a wall yet. should have let Don build that wall. a real wall, a beautiful wall you can write and paint on.
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Is Cawthorn not in the texts? Or is he just young/smart enough to use Signal or Whatsapp?
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FizFashizzle posted:Is Cawthorn not in the texts? Or is he just young/smart enough to use Signal or Whatsapp? I honestly don't think he has those sorts of connections yet/at that time.
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Solkanar512 posted:I honestly don't think he has those sorts of connections yet/at that time. He had just won his first election and hadn't even been inaugurated yet the day of some of those texts. Kind of concerning how quickly MTG got the Chief of Staff's personal cell phone number and unlimited access to the President, though.
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Signal and other secure comm apps need to be configured correctly on both your side and the other side. FL Pedo, gaetz has some signal stuff leaked because he didnt enable no screen shoting, or auto deleting messages.
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PhazonLink posted:FL Pedo, gaetz has some signal stuff leaked because he didnt enable no screen shoting, or auto deleting messages. lol, wot? *** Maggie Hassan managed to piss off everyone while posturing at the Southern border: quote:Her home state shares a border with Canada. So when New Hampshire Sen. Maggie Hassan recently showed up more than 2,000 miles away, at the U.S border with Mexico, it created a backlash. More.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Come on, it's either going to be a Weekend at Bernie's situation with Biden or Kamala because the Dems in power don't learn their lesson Could always be Hillary Clinton: Third time's the charm!
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I suspect that Biden runs, wins at least as much of the popular vote as 2020, and loses narrowly on electoral votes with at least one state having obvious fuckery that's not quite enough to cause people to do anything. There's too many red trifecta states with bullshit election monitors for a narrow election to not go Republicans ways anymore. They made it clear that 2020 was the last time they're going to let open elections stop them. And dems aren't doing poo poo to address it.
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There are no consequences to doing so and infinite upside. It's not difficult calculus. All of the pants pissing in those texts we're now seeing was entirely predicated on some severe consequences that did not come.
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Jaxyon posted:I suspect that Biden runs, wins at least as much of the popular vote as 2020, and loses narrowly on electoral votes with at least one state having obvious fuckery that's not quite enough to cause people to do anything. Don't forget they also have a literal proletariat army capable of mobilizing on short notice to assemble and invade any state house and/or the US capitol to try and forcibly make sure they are declared the winners if literally all of that fails as well. Because the organizers and the vast majority of the executors of the last coup went completely unpunished and are free and ready to do it again and get it right this time.
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FizFashizzle posted:Unless she's faking it to Meadows as well, MTG is legit insane. I think the worst thing about the right wing conspiracies is how many people actually in government have been convinced by them that they're totally powerless and that there is a secret shadow government fighting them and stopping them instead of their own ineptitude. They're so stupid that they can't effectively weild power even when literally the only thing in the way is themselves and then they come up with insane conspiracy to explain a world that is just flat out too complicated and confusing for them. Everyone in government is so dumb right now because consequences and cause and effect don't exist for them anymore. Congress people live in a paracausal universe
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Koos Group posted:Forgot to say, if you make a statement with this much confidence, please source or at least explain it. I was referencing recent polls showing Trump winning first and the general state of disarray in the Dem Party second.
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Bishyaler posted:I was referencing recent polls showing Trump winning first and the general state of disarray in the Dem Party second. The polls don't show Trump overwhelmingly ahead though. The latest Harvard/Harris poll is within the margin of error. And there's also a sizeable percentage of people who are unsure. E: To clarify, I think it's reasonable to say Trump has an edge over Biden if the election happened today. But that's much, much different than Bishyaler posted:As of today, if he runs, he wins. Kalit fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Kalit posted:The polls don't show Trump overwhelmingly ahead though. The latest Harvard/Harris poll is within the margin of error. And there's also a sizeable percentage of people who are unsure. Do you believe Dems could duplicate the voting turnout from 2020? If the answer is no, Republicans probably have this one in the bag, and I don't see how the answer isn't no after watching Biden fail to deliver on so many campaign promises.
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Bishyaler posted:Do you believe Dems could duplicate the voting turnout from 2020? If the answer is no, Republicans probably have this one in the bag, and I don't see how the answer isn't no after watching Biden fail to deliver on so many campaign promises. How do the recent polls you were referencing in your prior post support your "fact" of Trump winning right now?
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Bishyaler posted:Do you believe Dems could duplicate the voting turnout from 2020? If the answer is no, Republicans probably have this one in the bag, and I don't see how the answer isn't no after watching Biden fail to deliver on so many campaign promises. At this point in both Obama and Trump's first terms they were polling significantly worse in hypothetical matchups for their re-election. Obama was down six points to Romney and Trump down double digits to Biden. Neither of those really predicted how the actual 2012 or 2020 elections would play out. Trying to confidently make predictions about it now with that kind of data seems like a fool's errand.
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Fifteen of Many posted:Twitter agreed to the Musk buyout, so going to be very interesting seeing what follows if/when he rolls back any disinformation pushback Twitter was already doing (covid/vaccines, election lies, etc) in the name of “free speech.” The craziest thing is that the company agreed to sell the shares at just a dollar above current trading price. So, the management at Twitter either thinks the company is currently way overvalued or they have no faith that it is possible for the company to be profitable long-term.
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Time to delete my Twitter account(s). e: Accounts deactivated, app installed. You won't be missed. ReidRansom fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Fifteen of Many posted:Twitter agreed to the Musk buyout, so going to be very interesting seeing what follows if/when he rolls back any disinformation pushback Twitter was already doing (covid/vaccines, election lies, etc) in the name of “free speech.” The best* case scenario at this point is if he turns Twitter into Tumblr though his short-sighted instant gratification ADHD-addled brainworms; just make the platform absolutely untenably toxic to normal people and the userbase just instantly evaporates so all you have left is just a roiling sea of chuds with no libs left to own. Won't actually happen though. People would rather part with four randomly chosen fingers than ever give up Twitter.
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Fifteen of Many posted:Twitter agreed to the Musk buyout, so going to be very interesting seeing what follows if/when he rolls back any disinformation pushback Twitter was already doing (covid/vaccines, election lies, etc) in the name of “free speech.” He doesn't care about free speech, just about whether people are using Twitter to troll him personally ReidRansom posted:Time to delete my Twitter account(s). It has been time to delete your twitter accounts for years
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Kalit posted:How do the recent polls you were referencing in your prior post support your "fact" of Trump winning right now? You have polls indicating a winner. You have one base which is energized and another which is disappointed. You have an economic climate which doesn't favor the incumbent at all. At this point you're banking on undecided voters. My high confidence in the outcome does not mean I'm stating the outcome is undisputed fact, nor should anyone unless they're a wizard in possession of a crystal ball.
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Yeah. One less thing to doomscroll. Also all the other reasons. But now it is done.
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Bishyaler posted:You have polls indicating a winner. You have one base which is energized and another which is disappointed. You have an economic climate which doesn't favor the incumbent at all. At this point you're banking on undecided voters. My high confidence in the outcome does not mean I'm stating the outcome is undisputed fact, nor should anyone unless they're a wizard in possession of a crystal ball. No I'm not? As I've stated multiple times, the latest Harvard/Harris poll is still even within the margin of error if you ignore the undecided voters. And that's me being generous and allowing your assumption that polling is 100% accurate. Kalit fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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