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He goes back in time to the 90s, meets Perry Farrell, and talks to him about starting a huge musical festival. Perry misremembers his name but gets close.
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Apr 28, 2022 16:50
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Saul throws a case to get Lalo in prison and when he pays for a prison shanking Lalo survives and throws another body double on the floor and then gets in the line for leaving prison
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Apr 28, 2022 16:54
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Leaning towards the interpretation Lalo gets resolved when we get back to the post-BB timeline. Perhaps jumping out of the ceiling of the Cinnabon. Just feels like that adds a natural connected conflict to that era, seems a natural storytelling flow. On the other hand, we know these guys write moment-to-moment and week-to-week, so maybe Lalo gets deleted in the past because they just thought of a cool way to do it. And the final conclusion is more of a Gene and Kim thing.
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Apr 28, 2022 16:56
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this is totally my fanfic ending but given that everyone gets some sort of karmic justice, i think jimmy would face the music and end up in jail, but he actually thrives there.
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Apr 28, 2022 17:00
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i feel like Lalo is not enough of a serious personal threat to Jimmy in particular to have him survive all the way into the post-BB timeline and have him be a final villain, narratively he feels more like a problem to Gus and Mike that they'll have to work out in the pre-BB era maybe that'll change as this season progresses, but right now it feels like the primary questions for the Gene timeline are all about Kim eke out fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Apr 28, 2022 17:02
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i don't really mind if they have to gently caress around a little bit as long as we get plenty of lalo. he's easily the most entertaining character the show has come up with. yeah chuck was cool but he's long gone. i want lalo lurking around this entire season, not killed off in episode 6.
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Apr 28, 2022 17:22
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eke out posted:i feel like Lalo is not enough of a serious personal threat to Jimmy in particular to have him survive all the way into the post-BB timeline and have him be a final villain, narratively he feels more like a problem to Gus and Mike that they'll have to work out in the pre-BB era I think Saul will rat on Lalo which is where the conflict between them will come from, especially because he believes him to be dead.
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Apr 28, 2022 17:28
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I could see it all teeing up for some major conflict or something, and then some legitimately random accident taking Lalo out.
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Apr 28, 2022 17:36
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Snatch style meeting of the plot threads where a blinded Lalo unknowingly gets hit by a car
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Apr 28, 2022 17:37
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BabyRyoga posted:Real prediction: The conclusion to Lalo's story doesn't end during present day in the show; he will somehow fake his death a second time (and remain dead as thought to avoid heat from the local authorities who have been investigating and or building a case against the Salamanca family and believe him to already be dead) to fool Gus, and we will see post-BB Gene have to confront him in some way in the very end, perhaps in a somewhat analogous way to how Walter White conducted his final battle. Gus was convinced he was dead during the BB time line, confronting Hector with "the end" of his family's line, however it seems like Jimmy believes otherwise.  against Lalo faking his death a second time. It would make Gus and Mike look ridiculous (falling for the faked death of a man who already faked his death before) and it makes Lalo look like an rear end in a top hat (standing by while his whole family is systemically murdered by his sworn enemy over several months). If Saul had a good reason to believe Lalo's still alive, he'd obviously share it with Mike, who would pass it up to Gus if it was a real cause for concern. And I think it deepens Saul's character that his mad declarations of allegiance to the cartel are basically a trauma reaction rather than a rational anxiety around a dangerous former client. That's how Odenkirk understands the character: "For [Saul] Lalo is like a specter out there. He'll never believe Lalo's dead, even if he goes to the funeral. Lalo is like this creature that's just going to always be hovering in the background, a shadow of fear." Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Apr 28, 2022 17:46
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I do think if Lalo survives into BB or post-BB then it'll be because he stays in hiding. Having him come out of hiding, then hide again, is a bit of a messy plot. If Lalo is still alive, but only Gus and invalid Hector know, then obviously it'd benefit Gus to maintain to Bolsa and Eladio that Lalo is dead, creates a power vacuum for him. I doubt Bolsa or Eladio would believe Hector, if he was even able to communicate it to them. I don't think they hold him in the highest esteem at this point. The big problem with this theory is:Civilized Fishbot posted:it makes Lalo look like an rear end in a top hat (standing by while his whole family is systemically murdered by his sworn enemy over several months). eke out posted:i feel like Lalo is not enough of a serious personal threat to Jimmy in particular to have him survive all the way into the post-BB timeline and have him be a final villain
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Apr 28, 2022 18:26
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Thing is, something needs to happen to convince Hector and Gus that he's dead because as it stands they both know that isn't the case. And they both know that the other knows it too.
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Apr 28, 2022 18:28
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The comedy option is Lalo fakes his death and funeral expects to get unburied and something goes wrong and he just suffocates in there we'd get a scene with him breaking the wood and the dirt just flood in covering his bloody hand. I feel like they could write something better but if you want to go with faking his death again it should have some humor to it.
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Apr 28, 2022 18:38
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roomtone posted:i don't really mind if they have to gently caress around a little bit as long as we get plenty of lalo. he's easily the most entertaining character the show has come up with. yeah chuck was cool but he's long gone. i want lalo lurking around this entire season, not killed off in episode 6. Imagine if chuck had had a six foot vertical leap though
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Apr 28, 2022 18:39
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There's a showdown on a highway and Lalo just ends up getting flattened by a semi
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Apr 28, 2022 18:42
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Lalo gets in over his head and has to go undercover, decides to get facial reconstruction surgery and also becomes a nazi. He adopts a young red head boy with violent tendencies and makes a new life for himsef... Uncle Jack.
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Apr 28, 2022 18:43
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christmas boots posted:Thing is, something needs to happen to convince Hector and Gus that he's dead because as it stands they both know that isn't the case. And they both know that the other knows it too. Well, it doesn't benefit Gus to be like "hey Eladio, the salamanca family heir is still alive." Lalo being dead de jure is equally helpful to Gus as him being dead de facto with regards to him gaining greater influence within the cartel. Though I'm sure Gus, fastidious as he is, would still have his organization trying to hunt him down. And while Hector knows he's alive, he can only tell Bolsa and Eladio that if they bother to sit in front of him with a letter board. I don't think they have time for that poo poo. The only reason he's kept around at all still is because the Salamancas themselves still hold him in high regard. Otherwise I think they would be content with leaving him in that nursing home 24/7 (which, as we see, is exactly what they do end up doing with him). And then, even if he does get it through to them, I think they'd dismiss it as a delusion. He could tell the cousins, but they're just as slow talkers as he is.
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Apr 28, 2022 18:43
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DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:Well, it doesn't benefit Gus to be like "hey Eladio, the salamanca family heir is still alive." Lalo being dead de jure is equally helpful to Gus as him being dead de facto with regards to him gaining greater influence within the cartel. Though I'm sure Gus, fastidious as he is, would still have his organization trying to hunt him down. I'm thinking of the time Gus goes to Hector specifically to tell him that he's the last Salamanca and the rest of his family is all dead which doesn't work if Gus and Hector both know that isn't true.
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Apr 28, 2022 18:47
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i think mike will kill lalo mike told jimmy lalo was going to die jimmy will not believe lalo being dead a second time, but mike will tell jimmy about what happened at the compound to convince him
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Apr 28, 2022 18:48
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did gus get actual proof lalo is alive? i only remember him superhumanly reading hector's expressions and taking that as his answer. could have missed something though. it's true regardless, not a stunning story move to have gus go oh well he is dead after all, but it's not the worst.
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Apr 28, 2022 19:17
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Gus and Walt have max perception stats so he passed the check
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Apr 28, 2022 19:30
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roomtone posted:did gus get actual proof lalo is alive? i only remember him superhumanly reading hector's expressions and taking that as his answer. could have missed something though. TBH it didn't really seem that superhuman to me. Hector just has a terrible poker face. Plus, Gus already seemed kind of doubtful what with all the assassins dying and somehow still getting the target. Seeing Hector just confirmed something he already suspected, I think.
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Apr 28, 2022 19:44
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Yeah it was that and Hector was also not enough of a shithead to him. "This absolute old fucker wants to shake my hand? Something is up here".
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Apr 28, 2022 19:47
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An entire episode is dedicated to Mike v. Lalo where during the hunt, they develop a strong mutual respect. Mike is about to finish Lalo, when something happens and Mike is impaled by taxi car. With his last dying breathes, Mike asks him to take care of his grand daughter, and Lalo decides this is a better life. He gets facial reconfiguration surgery and becomes the Mike we see in Breaking Bad.
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Apr 28, 2022 19:53
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skipmyseashells posted:Gus and Walt have max perception stats so he passed the check Uh, no. Walt's perception is considerably low, despite his high intelligence. Remember when he broke Saul's door? Francesca: "I'm thinking that's gonna cost <large amount that I can't remember>" Walt: "What?! How is that possible? What reputable contractor would charge... oh..."
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Apr 28, 2022 20:14
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Walt's perception was good the time he caught the missing plate shard but that was more an exception. Even Hank's last words to Walt were a comment on his failure to perceive that Jack's mind was already made up.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:22
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He's high INT low WIS
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Apr 28, 2022 20:23
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christmas boots posted:I'm thinking of the time Gus goes to Hector specifically to tell him that he's the last Salamanca and the rest of his family is all dead which doesn't work if Gus and Hector both know that isn't true. I think its possible that Gus is just keeping up the lie to be hurtful to Hector. Everyone thinks Lalo is dead, and he hasn't popped up, might as well try to inflict that reality onto Hector. Hearing "your family is dead", being absolutely powerless, you think someone's still out there but don't know where, and nobody believes you. That's still pretty torturous. The only thing you can do against that is hold hope that he's out there somewhere. It might make that scene less potent, ultimately, but I don't think its too contrived of a motivation
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Apr 28, 2022 20:29
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I just can't imagine a scenario where Tuco is killed in Albuquerque, and then the cousins are killed in Albuquerque, and then the entire cartel leadership except Gus is killed when Gus goes to visit, and Lalo doesn't head to Albuquerque to gently caress with the chicken man.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:32
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DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:I think its possible that Gus is just keeping up the lie to be hurtful to Hector. Everyone thinks Lalo is dead, and he hasn't popped up, might as well try to inflict that reality onto Hector. Hearing "your family is dead", being absolutely powerless, you think someone's still out there but don't know where, and nobody believes you. That's still pretty torturous. The only thing you can do against that is hold hope that he's out there somewhere. It might make that scene less potent, ultimately, but I don't think its too contrived of a motivation Gus doesn't like to lie outright. Lie by omitting? Sure. But straight up lie? Feels out of character for his fully mature line. If that was said in Better Call Saul I'd agree, Gus is so much more unrefined here.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:33
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Gus SHOULD have definitive proof, since his crew mentioned Salamanca wiretaps. You're telling me they don't have a tap on the cordless phone at the retirement home? It's even easier than a corded phone!
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Apr 28, 2022 20:38
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Gaius Marius posted:He's high INT low WIS high int low wis and low int high wis are like the two best archtypes in fiction tbh
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Apr 28, 2022 20:41
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Lalo gave death faking lessons to Chuck, who reappears post BB as the final boss Also Lalo was the real reason Jimmy couldn't join HHM, somehow
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Apr 28, 2022 20:41
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Lalo doesn’t appear until after Chuck has died. Just pointing that out
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Apr 28, 2022 20:46
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Nonexistence posted:Lalo gave death faking lessons to Chuck, who reappears post BB as the final boss lalo is howard's father
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Apr 28, 2022 20:47
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Lalo really is Jorge de Guzman and 15 years ago Howard's father and Chuck hypnotized him in order to win a case, during which time he was implanted with the Lalo personality. During their scam, Kim will uncover the truth and erase Mr. Guzman's programming, unwittingly inheriting it and becoming the new Lalo.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:50
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Uh, no. The end of that scene where he leaves through the hole in the door he made rather than just opening it always kills me.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:53
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^^^ Welp, guess we're posting enemies now  Justin Credible posted:I could see it all teeing up for some major conflict or something, and then some legitimately random accident taking Lalo out. moist turtleneck posted:Snatch style meeting of the plot threads where a blinded Lalo unknowingly gets hit by a car I was thinking more the end of No Country for Old Men, but that's a good one too  pixaal posted:The comedy option is Lalo fakes his death and funeral expects to get unburied and something goes wrong and he just suffocates in there we'd get a scene with him breaking the wood and the dirt just flood in covering his bloody hand. I feel like they could write something better but if you want to go with faking his death again it should have some humor to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnXi3SVJXbM ¿Puedo tomar un vaso de agua, por favor? Rupert Buttermilk posted:Uh, no. The best part of that scene is when he leaves to get the money, he crawls back out under the door instead of just opening it from the inside 
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I just can't imagine a scenario where Tuco is killed in Albuquerque, and then the cousins are killed in Albuquerque, and then the entire cartel leadership except Gus is killed when Gus goes to visit, and Lalo doesn't head to Albuquerque to gently caress with the chicken man. yeah its absolutely the biggest problem with the theory imo. family is a big deal for these salamanca guys lol
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