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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Azathoth posted:

I'll give a slightly different perspective than Smythe on this.

First, it's important to acknowledge that there's effectively two kinds of permabans, single act and lifetime achievement. In single act, the person might otherwise be a fine poster but did something so beyond the pale that it was felt necessary to remove them from the community forever. This is stuff like pedo poo poo, doxxing, nazi poo poo, etc. In lifetime achievement, it's not that any single act that they did was so heinous it demands immediate removal but rather that they have a long term negative effect on the community that rises to such a level that they need to be removed AND talking, probes, bans, and community pressure have failed to make them a good enough poster to not warrant removal.

The critical question with applying a ban to a rereg of a permabanned account is whether we think they're going to engage in the behavior that got them permabanned in the first place. With single act, the thinking is generally that if they did something once, they can do it again and no one wants to wait around for that to happen, so they're removed immediately. This is pretty intuitive, if someone is outed as enjoying pedo parasite dick rape mpreg porn, no one wants to wait around for that to work its way into their posting even if all they're doing is posting anodyne takes on the stock market. With lifetime achievement folks, it does get a little more complicated because with the passage of time, people can and do change enough that they might be able to be trusted to not repeat the same patterns of behavior that got them in trouble in the first place.

This next part isn't official policy, and to be clear, I am just speaking for myself and how I would handle a hypothetical situation where this arose. If someone had a lifetime achievement perma and reregged and flew under the radar for a sufficiently long time that I didn't personally think they would repeat the bad behavior, I would take it to the admins and Jeffrey and see if they were willing to lift the perma. Every situation is going to be unique, so i'm not saying that the perma would necessarily be lifted mind you, but that would be how I would personally handle it.

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Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

AnimeIsTrash posted:

fat hamburger man

them's hurtful words, hurtful accurate words

# ? Apr 29, 2022 17:24

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

I think the modding in the subforum is pretty good. Definitely agree with all the other people talking about clamping down on main character syndrome. Most people with that character trait don't really know when to stop.

The culture warriors thread isn't really funny, move it to GBS or PYF.

Larry should probably be freed to post here again or at least reevaluate the ban. It doesn't really make sense given the dog bricking arc and what happened with alec/cumshitter. You can probably ban the guy in the marxism thread who does ben shapirolike writings in response to people, and unban larry.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 17:30

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
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AnimeIsTrash posted:

Larry should probably be freed to post here again or at least reevaluate the ban. It doesn't really make sense given the dog bricking arc and what happened with alec/cumshitter. You can probably ban the guy in the marxism thread who does ben shapirolike writings in response to people, and unban larry.

To be clear, while him being terminally aggro was a consideration, the forum ban was because he would post about how other posters should be killed. The forumban was the lenient option, with the alternative being a permaban. The forumban will not be lifted.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:10

lobotomy molo: May 7, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Hand Knit posted:

To be clear, while him being terminally aggro was a consideration, the forum ban was because he would post about how other posters should be killed. The forumban was the lenient option, with the alternative being a permaban. The forumban will not be lifted.

oh come the gently caress on he only said a NED flunky should choke on a fish bone

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:13

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Hand Knit posted:

To be clear, while him being terminally aggro was a consideration, the forum ban was because he would post about how other posters should be killed. The forumban was the lenient option, with the alternative being a permaban. The forumban will not be lifted.

This seems like a bit of a stretch to me. If you didn't actively read the behind the bastards thread in RGD you would have never known he's a goon. Were there more instances of him saying that?

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:29

Fortaleza: Feb 21, 2008

Hand Knit posted:

To be clear, while him being terminally aggro was a consideration, the forum ban was because he would post about how other posters should be killed. The forumban was the lenient option, with the alternative being a permaban. The forumban will not be lifted.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:30

F Stop Fitzgerald: Dec 12, 2010

the mods should be more concerned with "idiot bitch syndrome" but unfortunately they wont autoban

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:32

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

AnimeIsTrash posted:

This seems like a bit of a stretch to me. If you didn't actively read the behind the bastards thread in RGD you would have never known he's a goon. Were there more instances of him saying that?

I mean, here is is posting a thread with a poll asking if Flavius should be killed: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3976409&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post516945071

I don't care enough to go digging for exact quotes about random people and not mods but I do remember that it was something he would wish on fellow posters from time to time. My memory, and it may be faulty, is that he switched over to doing weirdly elaborate things like "choke on a fishbone" because just wishing death on people he was arguing with was a bit over the line for his buds or maybe he just didn't want to eat probes/bans.

Regardless that's something that's always going to be cracked down on for the same reason that we edit out posts of people discussing killing themselves. Seeing poo poo like that can be genuinely triggering for people who struggle with suicidal ideation, to say nothing of telling someone who might privately be dealing with suicidal thoughts that by accident. It's a community protection thing.

And frankly it sucks because I like Larry as a poster and genuinely find him charming and funny, but he'd have to rein it in to have his perma lifted and if he could rein it in, he wouldn't be Larry.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:47

lobotomy molo: May 7, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

gently caress you free larry

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:50

lobotomy molo: May 7, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Azathoth posted:

I mean, here is is posting a thread with a poll asking if Flavius should be killed: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3976409&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post516945071

also thank you for linking that post in particular

Larry Parrish posted:

Also lmao at the mods probating people to defend his honor. You guys keep circling the wagons around pedophile mods/pedophile adjacent mods and wonder why we all make fun of you constantly and want to call you sex criminals lol.

Anyway let's remember other epic cspam mods in this thread, such as the chipmunk retard himself who flavius fell on his sword for, the weird D&D guy who was logging a bunch of discords, etc.

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larry�s right free larry

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:53

Vim Fuego: Jun 1, 2000; Ultra Carp

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

the mods should be more concerned with "idiot bitch syndrome" but unfortunately they wont autoban

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:05

Hilthy Fans: Apr 29, 2022

Re: cumshitter. The man hosed up and didn't even doxx me correctly--he (allegedly) emailed the wrong district. I can't apply to that school district for a job though (and they are hiring), because, again, he doxxed me but didn't do it correctly (he is, famously, stupid).

I miss you all. Give my best to DryGoods.

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# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:38

VideoKid: Jul 28, 2006; Avatar War

Hilthy Fans posted:

Re: cumshitter. The man hosed up and didn't even doxx me correctly--he (allegedly) emailed the wrong district. I can't apply to that school district for a job though (and they are hiring), because, again, he doxxed me but didn't do it correctly (he is, famously, stupid).

I miss you all. Give my best to DryGoods.

it�s hosed up that he did that but I hope you learned a lesson about posting personal information online

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:43

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

please dont quote the video i dont want to look at it more than once

e: saw the stealth edit thank you

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:45

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

Alec, I genuinely think that you should detox yourself from these forums, they're not good for you and you're not good for them, but yes if you can come back and be normal and it's good for you and no one goes "oh yeah that's totally Alec" more power to you. That post will cost you $10 however.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:49

war never changes: Apr 25, 2022; by Hand Knit

fun fact: accounts can be perma'd without ever posting and it doesnt show in the Leper's Colony

i think this somewhat refutes the "just hide out!" theory, but ymmv

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# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:59

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

It's worth noting that in such cases what usually happens is that when confirming the that some account is a permabanned poster, we find other parachutes they've made that haven't posted yet.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:04

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VokGd5zhGJ4

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:06

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Azathoth posted:

Alec, I genuinely think that you should detox yourself from these forums, they're not good for you and you're not good for them, but yes if you can come back and be normal and it's good for you and no one goes "oh yeah that's totally Alec" more power to you. That post will cost you $10 however.

I'm not sure anyone needs this level of moralizing and judgment from a forums mod. You should free Alec and let him post. You should also free cumshitter, because apparently he didn't doxx anyone according to Alec.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:07

10 bux is fine: Apr 29, 2022; by Hand Knit

Hand Knit posted:

It's worth noting that in such cases what usually happens is that when confirming the that some account is a permabanned poster, we find other parachutes they've made that haven't posted yet.

this is patently not the case in my example

also, the moralizing "we're willing to help those who have been perma'd but they are so terrible!!" is absolute patronizing horseshit.

my great crime was not respecting the DnD mods which is apparently perma-worthy and Im fine with a :10bux:

posting fee, but my bans are 100% whether someone notices my email address.

lets not pretend like I have any incentive to follow any rules at this point though

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# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:42

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

I should point out that when I'm talking, I'm only referring to probes that are C-SPAM focused and other forums have their own standards. As this thread is about C-SPAM, I would prefer that we not go into D&D stuff here.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:44

Lpzie: Nov 20, 2006

Azathoth posted:

that is one of the worst things someone can do on the forums.

excuse me but the worst thing u can do on the forums is put someone on a list

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:46

10 bux is fine: Apr 29, 2022; by Hand Knit

I talked you about posting quietly and a stray admin wanders by and bans me anyway. I like you Az and I think youre doing a fine job with CSPAM but lets not pretend you have any final say with how its run

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:47

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

I also have no incentive to follow the rules, simply because I'm too powerful to be punished.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:48

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

10 bux is fine posted:

I talked you about posting quietly and a stray admin wanders by and bans me anyway. I like you Az and I think youre doing a fine job with CSPAM but lets not pretend you have any final say with how its run

Never said I did, but at the same time you really should anticipate that admins are watching a feedback thread and when I read your first post even without having an admin check the tools I knew who you were. Honestly you're fine in C-SPAM, if you could just keep out of D&D I doubt folks would have a reason to do alt checks on your accounts.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:51

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

Calibanibal posted:

I also have no incentive to follow the rules, simply because I'm too powerful to be punished.

it's true, i once tried to give you a 6er but before i could fill in a reason i passed out and woke up two days later, buck naked in a cornfield a mile outside of town

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:52

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Azathoth posted:

it's true, i once tried to give you a 6er but before i could fill in a reason i passed out and woke up two days later, buck naked in a cornfield a mile outside of town

Cards on the table, I'm the one who stole your shoes while you were passed out. I don't have an explanation for the rest of your clothes.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:54

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

Majorian posted:

Cards on the table, I'm the one who stole your shoes while you were passed out. I don't have an explanation for the rest of your clothes.

gonna blame the grays and try not to think too much about it honestly

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:54

QUEER FRASIER: May 31, 2011

cspam has gotten much, much better since the mod team refresh so ty to the new mods

it's still genuinely infuriating that I can't read Larry's posts in the marxism thread and that the admins/mods continue to lie unashamedly about him 'making death threats' but they are clearly very committed to their extremely dishonest line about this so whatever I guess we're all lucky he wasn't perma'd for fishbone related crimes

# ? Apr 29, 2022 21:18

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

how about, instead of this complicated rigamarole of reregistering accounts and hoping you don't get found out and hopefully get let back in eventually, posters take some time off, say a month, and pay a small fee, 10 dollars, and are allowed to post again

# ? Apr 29, 2022 21:20

VideoKid: Jul 28, 2006; Avatar War

RealityWarCriminal posted:

how about, instead of this complicated rigamarole of reregistering accounts and hoping you don't get found out and hopefully get let back in eventually, posters take some time off, say a month, and pay a small fee, 10 dollars, and are allowed to post again

I think if Alec can go 6 months with registering a new account or mentioning anything SA related on any other social media site his perma should be lifted.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 21:24

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Hilthy Fans posted:

Re: cumshitter. The man hosed up and didn't even doxx me correctly--he (allegedly) emailed the wrong district. I can't apply to that school district for a job though (and they are hiring), because, again, he doxxed me but didn't do it correctly (he is, famously, stupid).

I miss you all. Give my best to DryGoods.

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brother please get help 🙏

# ? Apr 29, 2022 21:25