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Armitag3 posted:at my place we have associate eng before eng anything and everything to pay entry levels less do you also have a graduate program?
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May 3, 2022 15:12
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geico is hiring for their graduate program right now and they are starting people around 120k to go through 3 years of training (DC area, possibly in person, also dont work for geico) 50k more than they were starting people with ~1year experience last year and no, existing devs didnt get any raises but they are totally redoing the job titles and salaries and its stuck in HR right now we swear (going from engineer -> senior engineer to TDP -> engineer -> senior -> principle -> distinguished) they were also going to roll Lead into the non-management path but that fizzled since Leads right now just create reports for managers about ~our metrics~ and dont need any kind of dev experience
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May 3, 2022 15:28
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champagne posting posted:anything and everything to pay entry levels less You betcha
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May 3, 2022 15:48
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jesus WEP posted:tech lead, where you're in charge of a specific product and make sure devs don't gently caress it up lol I'm a TL for a thing that may actually matter and I'm at the level that's one above new grad. i assume a promo is coming at year end but I may decide to promo myself elsewhere before that happens. although if I make it into September without finding something new I may as well stay for the annual bonus.
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May 3, 2022 17:20
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jesus WEP posted:yeah staff is a nebulous term that can mean different things to different orgs but it’s almost always above senior. often you can tell when you’re staff or some staff-like role because it’s when you spend less time coding than you spend ftfy the baby in this instance is product owners / business analysts / sales
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May 3, 2022 17:25
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business analysts are two stripes: product owner junior, where you do a bunch of grunt work and are responsible for some things, it's an onramp to other product roles. product is often where the flameouts from development go, especially if you're capable of talking to other people without wetting yourself. or someone who has been at the company for 18 years and has a best grandma ever mug and knows everything about a thing and knows where all the bodies are buried.
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May 3, 2022 21:59
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the latter are the most important person for you to know and be on the good side of at any job.
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May 3, 2022 21:59
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“business analyst” is just the default corporate IC title, it can mean anything
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May 3, 2022 23:40
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hobbesmaster posted:“business analyst” is just the default corporate IC title, it can mean anything for my old team the title was used for hiring a junior person to do all your grunt work for you so you could focus on “strategic” work like being 5 minutes late to your back to back zoom meetings where nothing is accomplished
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May 4, 2022 09:40
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:for my old team the title was used for hiring a junior person to do all your grunt work for you so you could focus on “strategic” work like being 5 minutes late to your back to back zoom meetings where nothing is accomplished meeting volume is one of the main reasons I never pursued product management, averaging 4 hours a day is probably the minimum
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May 4, 2022 16:11
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:for my old team the title was used for hiring a junior person to do all your grunt work for you so you could focus on “strategic” work like being 5 minutes late to your back to back zoom meetings where nothing is accomplished i feel seen
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May 4, 2022 17:21
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DELETE CASCADE posted:i feel seen yeah a good business analyst is the person who turns my my vague assertions that 'those guys will take care of it' into an actual process map, it's the best.
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May 5, 2022 07:15
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i have worked with one spectacular business analyst who would turn the business’s requirements into an exhaustive list of test cases and boy did it make developing a feature easier
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May 5, 2022 09:11
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i'm working with the worst BA right now. just terrible. stories that make no sense or are outright incorrect with zero indication on how to verify them. makes me super sad because she replaced an awesome ba/product owner that we lost because we don't pay enough and there was no real way for her to advance to a better role here
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May 5, 2022 13:25
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Cold on a Cob posted:i'm working with the worst BA right now. just terrible. stories that make no sense or are outright incorrect with zero indication on how to verify them. don't hate your worst BA, hate your boss
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May 5, 2022 13:47
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champagne posting posted:don't hate your worst BA, hate your boss i don't hate her vOv small shop problems. at least i don't pull 60 hour weeks here
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May 5, 2022 13:50
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champagne posting posted:don't hate your worst BA, hate your boss i have enough hate in my heart for both also myself
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May 5, 2022 14:52
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in a well actually posted:i have enough hate in my heart for both 
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May 5, 2022 15:19
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jesus WEP posted:i have worked with one spectacular business analyst who would turn the business’s requirements into an exhaustive list of test cases and boy did it make developing a feature easier I guess “useful product manager” would be a mean job title
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May 5, 2022 15:34
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c-interviewing-s: i keep accidentally saying "high latency" when i mean low latency and i can't seem to stop. googling to try to find a word for the opposite of latency so i can say "high <thing>" instead since i'm apparently too old to get my brain to stop saying the other thing. High frequency almost works but not quite since it implies more about availability than response time. jesus WEP posted:i have worked with one spectacular business analyst who would turn the business’s requirements into an exhaustive list of test cases and boy did it make developing a feature easier
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May 5, 2022 16:09
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High throughput?
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ultrafilter posted:High throughput? nothing to do w latency and you know it 'high responsiveness' 'high reactivity' although that isn't quite it either
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May 5, 2022 16:13
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ultrafilter posted:High throughput? i work for an RTOS vendor and this hurts me
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May 5, 2022 16:16
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Corla Plankun posted:c-interviewing-s: i keep accidentally saying "high latency" when i mean low latency and i can't seem to stop. googling to try to find a word for the opposite of latency so i can say "high <thing>" instead since i'm apparently too old to get my brain to stop saying the other thing. High frequency almost works but not quite since it implies more about availability than response time. "High customer delight"
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May 5, 2022 16:23
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high speed
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May 5, 2022 17:29
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:yeah a good business analyst is the person who turns my my vague assertions that 'those guys will take care of it' into an actual process map, it's the best. jokes on them my process maps are also vague assertions.
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May 5, 2022 17:35
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bob dobbs is dead posted:nothing to do w latency and you know it yeah! i think i just need to force myself to stop. there's no good alternative.
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May 5, 2022 17:47
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Corla Plankun posted:i don't think i would ever leave a job with a person like this, this sounds amazing
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May 5, 2022 17:50
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Corla Plankun posted:yeah! i think i just need to force myself to stop. there's no good alternative. say "good latency" maybe
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May 5, 2022 17:51
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i've been doing a few eng manager interviews just to see if i might want to stop being an IC and it has been going pretty okay but I just got interviewed by a manager who was clearly the bad kind and he was visibly annoyed that i wasn't insanely dogmatic about the methodology i use to manage teams
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May 5, 2022 20:58
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i'm not fit for management, i think i'll be an IC forever started looking a few weeks ago, but i think the majority of my misses are being unable to pass the HR filter. maybe i need to rewrite my CV to be more markety
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May 5, 2022 21:05
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i don't think i would like being a manager but idk. im ambivalent about writing code and moving away from it wouldn't end me
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May 5, 2022 21:24
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PokeJoe posted:i don't think i would like being a manager but idk. im ambivalent about writing code and moving away from it wouldn't end me same! I think the job security is much worse but i've got a good cushion right now so i'm thinking about it
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May 5, 2022 21:52
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job security is worse being a manager? that seems counterintuitive to me
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May 5, 2022 22:09
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Achmed Jones posted:job security is worse being a manager? that seems counterintuitive to me i've outlasted four of my managers and none of them were bad at their jobs (i've had other bad managers that weren't fired though)
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May 5, 2022 22:18
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went thru 4 in a year, get on my level
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May 5, 2022 22:26
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Being a level 1 manager sounds like it sucks so much rear end. We've gone through about 4 since I have been here, they usually last about a year each although we had a temp manager who lasted like 2 months.
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May 5, 2022 22:36
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Yeah I've outlasted a shitload of managers too hmm 🤔
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Achmed Jones posted:job security is worse being a manager? that seems counterintuitive to me im just now realizing that i got this nugget of advice from a developer that was 20 years older than me and survived the dot com boom so it might actually not be true anymore
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