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Just thinking about how completely loving insane it is that the Democrats are making no steps at any level to do anything about a potential next Trump presidency. Conservatives have their super hero who finally got Roe v Wade overturned, and probably next Obergefell, and the Democrats aren't doing anything legislatively to counter that. God, they aren't even investigating Trump for all of the insane crimes he brazenly committed in public! You can't even excuse that, they have the Presidency, they have full control of the DoJ and they're just sitting there doing literally nothing I really can't picture a course of action more specifically geared towards intentionally losing the next presidential election
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theCalamity posted:Last I checked, the Democrats are in control of the senate. The majority leader is Schumer. They run the committees. They have the senate. They have the power. Not if Joe Manchin doesn't want to, or Kristen Simena, or literally any one single person. the limiting factor is the lack of a big enough majority to ignore the one or two senators and proceed. The challenge is picking up senators that actually want good things. Blue states need to kick out senators that are sitting on their laurels, purple states need to push as hard as they can, and we need to fight in red states even if we lose.
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May 3, 2022 19:59
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Professor Beetus posted:Making someone disappear in the night is not using the bully pulpit, which is what TyrantWD was responding to. Right but I think we both know The Shortest Path wasn't actually advocating violence against a public figure. They were pointing out that the Executive Branch has the power to make life a lot tougher for thromboses like Manchin, if a president chooses to exercise it. Biden has chosen not to exercise it. You can argue that is or isn't prudent on his part, but it's a pretty deliberate choice.
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May 3, 2022 20:00
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:from the Party of Women to the Party of 'listen, Jack, what do you expect me to do about abortion' in six short years. grim. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Blue states need to kick out senators that are sitting on their laurels, Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:04 on May 3, 2022 |
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May 3, 2022 20:01
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Majorian posted:Right but I think we both know The Shortest Path wasn't actually advocating violence against a public figure. They were pointing out that the Executive Branch has the power to make life a lot tougher for thromboses like Manchin, if a president chooses to exercise it. Biden has chosen not to exercise it. You can argue that is or isn't prudent on his part, but it's a pretty deliberate choice. What power would you suggest Biden wield against Manchin?
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May 3, 2022 20:01
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theCalamity posted:If they don’t have the power to protect others then what’s the point of voting for them? Because Schumer is only majority leader because a GOP senator cosplays as a Democrat, and gets away with it because the republicans know he is still a republican, and the Democrats feel its better to have someone who will cooperate with you once in blue moon, over someone who will never cooperate with you as long as they live.
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May 3, 2022 20:02
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How are u posted:What power would you suggest Biden wield against Manchin? Make his daughter's life hell, for one
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May 3, 2022 20:03
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How are u posted:What power would you suggest Biden wield against Manchin? Kill him (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 3, 2022 20:04
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TyrantWD posted:Because Schumer is only majority leader because a GOP senator cosplays as a Democrat, and gets away with it because the republicans know he is still a republican, and the Democrats feel its better to have someone who will cooperate with you once in blue moon, over someone who will never cooperate with you as long as they live. this is not a reason to vote for them. it is an excuse for why they wield no power despite all the sacrifices they have made, ostensibly in service of achieving power.
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May 3, 2022 20:04
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How are u posted:What power would you suggest Biden wield against Manchin? Launch investigations against his pharma exec daughter, use his bully pulpit to support the people protesting outside of his yatch and encourage even more to show up, remove him from committees, call a national prime time oval office address and put the blame squarely on him and Sinema. Launch even more investigations against them to the point that even J. Edgar would blush. LBJ treatment... just do SOMETHING.
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May 3, 2022 20:05
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How are u posted:What power would you suggest Biden wield against Manchin? Continue the investigations into his family. Put the screws to him.
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May 3, 2022 20:05
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RealityWarCriminal posted:Kill him The Senate briefly becomes 49-50 Republican, before becoming 49-51 Republican
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May 3, 2022 20:06
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Majorian posted:Right but I think we both know The Shortest Path wasn't actually advocating violence against a public figure. They were pointing out that the Executive Branch has the power to make life a lot tougher for thromboses like Manchin, if a president chooses to exercise it. Biden has chosen not to exercise it. You can argue that is or isn't prudent on his part, but it's a pretty deliberate choice. No, I don't think we both know that lol. I agree that Biden and the rest of the party should and could be doing more to bring Manchin and Sinema in line, I also absolutely believe that posters on SA literally think Biden could and should have him disappeared in the night and am not going to assume a poster who says explicitly so is using metaphor. RealityWarCriminal posted:Kill him What's this a metaphor for?
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May 3, 2022 20:06
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I am quickly coming to regard "just vote" as the "thoughts and prayers" of our political backslide away from democracy.
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May 3, 2022 20:06
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TyrantWD posted:Because Schumer is only majority leader because a GOP senator cosplays as a Democrat, and gets away with it because the republicans know he is still a republican, and the Democrats feel its better to have someone who will cooperate with you once in blue moon, over someone who will never cooperate with you as long as they live. That Senator has been voting for Biden judges, including Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court, and allowed Biden and the Democratic Party to pass the Infrastructure Investments and Jobs Act as well as the American Rescue Plan. If Manchin had been an actual Republican then Mitch McConnel would be the Majority Leader and none of that would have happened. Politics is stupid, and complicated, and doesn't always make sense. That's the reality of things.
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May 3, 2022 20:07
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TyrantWD posted:Because Schumer is only majority leader because a GOP senator cosplays as a Democrat, and gets away with it because the republicans know he is still a republican, and the Democrats feel its better to have someone who will cooperate with you once in blue moon, over someone who will never cooperate with you as long as they live. Yes, yes, I know all about Manchin. But do you think the voters know? Again, they may be ignorant but they aren’t stupid. The blame isn’t on them. It’s on the ones who actually hold power. The Dems are in power right now and it’s up to them to use that power. Doing nothing is just going to make people either not vote for them or vote for the GOP
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May 3, 2022 20:07
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TyrantWD posted:Because this particular battle was lost for a generation back in November 2016. It may have taken time to resolve, but once it was set in motion, it couldn't be undone. Ok well then the government doesn't carry out the will of the people if the people aren't allowed to change their minds for 40+ years. I don't see how you can know all this and still think that the government carries out the popular will. Unless you just define popular will recursively as "whatever the government does" but then autocracy does it just as well.
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May 3, 2022 20:07
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:I am quickly coming to regard "just vote" as the "thoughts and prayers" of our political backslide away from democracy. Sure, agreed. "Just vote" is nothing. Organizing, being an engaged member of civil society and an advocate for change, and then voting is how we turn this ship around. I don't ask people to "just vote", I ask them to step the gently caress up and put their time and energy on the line for what they profess to believe in.
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May 3, 2022 20:09
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How are u posted:Sure, agreed. "Just vote" is nothing. Organizing, being an engaged member of civil society and an advocate for change, and then voting is how we turn this ship around. What kind of organizing do you think people should be involved in, exactly?
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May 3, 2022 20:10
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:this is not a reason to vote for them. it is an excuse for why they wield no power despite all the sacrifices they have made, ostensibly in service of achieving power. The reason to vote for them is that they are not Republicans. That is the only reason you are ever going to get as long as the GOP exists in its current state. Much like the French with Macron, not being a far right lunatic is about all you will get when the other side wants to burn things to the ground. Again, like in France, a lot of people here seem to be up for burning things to the ground, so those people should be glad, became more decisions like the one we just got are about as good as you are going to get short of an actual hot civil war.
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May 3, 2022 20:11
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TyrantWD posted:The reason to vote for them is that they are not Republicans. That is the only reason you are ever going to get as long as the GOP exists in its current state. Much like the French with Macron, not being a far right lunatic is about all you will get when the other side wants to burn things to the ground. Again, like in France, a lot of people here seem to be up for burning things to the ground, so those people should be glad, became more decisions like the one we just got are about as good as you are going to get short of an actual hot civil war. Regardless of the merits of your ideology, no one is ever going to be enthused by it if its justification is "things could always be worse!"
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Best Friends posted:If there were 12 more dem senators, wouldn’t those 12 come from more conservative states? So wouldn’t it just be 12 more Joe Manchins? I've always been curious about this, to be honest. Manchin being an untouchable obstructionist because he's a conservative from West Virginia and all you'd ever get instead of him if you booted him out would be a Republican is a known fact. So if you magically conjured 10-12 more democratic senators from other conservative or battleground states, they too would necessarily be largely untouchable because all you'd ever get instead of them if you booted them out would be Republicans. It would be trivially easy for them to form an obstructionist bloc or even participate in a rotating villains scheme and whoops the Blue Dogs are back from the dead and ready to party, baby. I'm not sure how "VOTE HARDER!!!" is supposed to get around this.
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May 3, 2022 20:15
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/spmaloney/status/1521476369603080193?s=21&t=EjzIavKMipUKjSpdeV4yiA It's a very common political phrase. "It's the X, stupid" originates from "it's the economy, stupid" regarding James Carville's assessment that the economy was the only thing that mattered in terms of achieving their goal.
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TyrantWD posted:The reason to vote for them is that they are not Republicans. That is the only reason you are ever going to get as long as the GOP exists in its current state. Much like the French with Macron, not being a far right lunatic is about all you will get when the other side wants to burn things to the ground. Again, like in France, a lot of people here seem to be up for burning things to the ground, so those people should be glad, became more decisions like the one we just got are about as good as you are going to get short of an actual hot civil war. A big flaming stink posted:Regardless of the merits of your ideology, no one is ever going to be enthused by it if its justification is "things could always be worse!" Yeah, as I pointed out yesterday (I think?), extremely online progressives/leftists aren't the ones who are swinging elections towards Republicans by not turning out to vote. The Dems are losing ground with low-income POCs in key states, among other demographics. That's extremely bad news for the party's electoral prospects; they need a better pitch to voters than just "we're less bad than the Republicans, and that's the best you can possibly hope for in this crumbling anti-democratic political system."
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A big flaming stink posted:Regardless of the merits of your ideology, no one is ever going to be enthused by it if its justification is "things could always be worse!" **things get worse** --> "Why didn't the democrats prevent this" --> don't vote for democrats Is a cycle I find tiresome and self-fulfilling. I find that holding ground, even if setbacks occur, is just as important if not more so currently than moving forward. taking action that intentionally loses ground makes little sense to me. Majorian posted:Yeah, as I pointed out yesterday (I think?), extremely online progressives/leftists aren't the ones who are swinging elections towards Republicans by not turning out to vote. The Dems are losing ground with low-income POCs in key states, among other demographics. That's extremely bad news for the party's electoral prospects; they need a better pitch to voters than just "we're less bad than the Republicans, and that's the best you can possibly hope for in this crumbling anti-democratic political system." Yes, the Democrats have made many errors and are losing the support of their voting base because of it. they should stop doing that. not voting for the ones that aren't that way seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 3, 2022 |
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The thing I struggle with with whether to vote for poo poo Dems is the impact their victory has on primaries. It's very common for sitting politicians not to be primaried at all, and successful primaries are extremely rare. But, if the poo poo Dem loses in the general, it's almost certain there will be a primary for that seat next time. Suppose a seat with a slight D lean. Is it worth putting up with an Republican for a few years, for a chance to get a poo poo Dem out of office and a good one in next time? As opposed to a lifetime seat for that poo poo Dem. I don't know. Maybe. I'm struggling with this right now for the MN governor race this fall.
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A big flaming stink posted:Make his daughter's life hell, for one She's been retired for years and raising the price on your drugs is not illegal.
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May 3, 2022 20:19
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's a very common political phrase. Oh I understand where it’s from. But the meaning gets changed when you’re saying it to angry and anxious people who want the Democrats to do more with the power that they have. Comes off as condescending to me Edit: and the tweet is getting ratio’d because people are taking it the same way I did theCalamity fucked around with this message at 20:24 on May 3, 2022 |
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May 3, 2022 20:19
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VitalSigns posted:Ok well then the government doesn't carry out the will of the people if the people aren't allowed to change their minds for 40+ years.
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How are u posted:That Senator has been voting for Biden judges, including Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court, and allowed Biden and the Democratic Party to pass the Infrastructure Investments and Jobs Act as well as the American Rescue Plan. If Manchin had been an actual Republican then Mitch McConnel would be the Majority Leader and none of that would have happened. All of this together is the Senatorial equivalent of showing up to work on time and not blackout drunk and expecting people to be grateful for that
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Kanos posted:I'm not sure how "VOTE HARDER!!!" is supposed to get around this.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:**things get worse** --> "Why didn't the democrats prevent this" --> don't vote for democrats Holding ground, at this specific moment in time, is compelling because if we can just loving hold ground for another 5-10 years we will start to see Millennials take more and more control over the levers of power in this country, and we'll have a real chance to remake it closer to the way we want it to be. We're on the cusp of a generational changeover that's long overdue. That can't happen if we no longer have a democracy.
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SixFigureSandwich posted:All of this together is the Senatorial equivalent of showing up to work on time and not blackout drunk and expecting people to be grateful for that I can't fault you for not finding the facts to be personally satisfying, I don't either. But that's the situation we are in. None of those things would be happening if Manchin were actually a Republican. He sucks, and I hate him.
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How are u posted:Holding ground, at this specific moment in time, is compelling because if we can just loving hold ground for another 5-10 years we will start to see Millennials take more and more control over the levers of power in this country, and we'll have a real chance to remake it closer to the way we want it to be. We're on the cusp of a generational changeover that's long overdue. I'm sure "Demographics are destiny" will definitely work out this time.
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VitalSigns posted:Ok well then the government doesn't carry out the will of the people if the people aren't allowed to change their minds for 40+ years. We were at an inflection point. The government carried out the will of the people as it were at the time. Like Brexit, the UK can't decide tomorrow that they want to rejoin the EU on their old terms. That ship has sailed.
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How are u posted:Holding ground, at this specific moment in time, is compelling because if we can just loving hold ground for another 5-10 years we will start to see Millennials take more and more control over the levers of power in this country, and we'll have a real chance to remake it closer to the way we want it to be. We're on the cusp of a generational changeover that's long overdue. The power brokers of this country can just find a millennial Dem candidate who has the exact same beliefs as the people in congress now and hook them up to the money hose. The problem of capital controlling the government isn't one that'll be automatically fixed by the passing of time.
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How are u posted:Holding ground, at this specific moment in time, is compelling because if we can just loving hold ground for another 5-10 years we will start to see Millennials take more and more control over the levers of power in this country, and we'll have a real chance to remake it closer to the way we want it to be. We're on the cusp of a generational changeover that's long overdue. Holding for another 5-10 years isn't going to help any of the women that are loving dead because of this ruling.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:**things get worse** --> "Why didn't the democrats prevent this" --> don't vote for democrats Right but the ones that are that way are also the ones largely in control of the direction of the party in Congress and the White House. They certainly are in control of the party in my state (CA), where they've prevented the Democratic supermajority in the legislature from pursuing a host of extremely popular progressive initiatives. So why would I bother voting for any of that?
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How are u posted:Holding ground, at this specific moment in time, is compelling because if we can just loving hold ground for another 5-10 years we will start to see Millennials take more and more control over the levers of power in this country, and we'll have a real chance to remake it closer to the way we want it to be. We're on the cusp of a generational changeover that's long overdue. Demographics as destiny is a hell of a thing to put all your cards on.
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uPen posted:Holding for another 5-10 years isn't going to help any of the women that are loving dead because of this ruling. No, of course it won't. It will give us the chance to undo this ruling. Letting the Republicans win in 2024 and literally end democracy will certainly not take us closer to undoing this ruling.
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