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Dick Trauma posted:I have to laugh at the thought of building a bridge to reach these people. She then went on to say "taking care of other people's children isn't my problem" while she votes against expanding social services.
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https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1522564484325326849 Capital has decided that abortion is not an issue to involve itself in it seems. Not surprising, but they're not even going for a basic level of hand waiving support that they normally do for these issues.
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Dick Trauma posted:I have to laugh at the thought of building a bridge to reach these people. We're going to win over the people convinced we're baby eating demons any day now.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1522564484325326849 The capitalist wants to steal your children and bodily autonomy. They will eliminate education if they can and will go all the way to segregation. There's nothing they won't remove from our rights.
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May 6, 2022 15:14
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I had high hopes for Biden at the beginning of his term. But he has, so far, absolutely failed to meet the moment.
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https://twitter.com/scottwongdc/status/1522528909589417986?s=21&t=xTNg1Am6LII0XJ4KutjPfg Fund the police so that they can investigate women for “abortions”. We have to give them more money to oppose our own voters who want human rights. It’s redundant to send this letter to Pelosi. She’s not going to defund the police
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May 6, 2022 15:22
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Ither posted:I had high hopes for Biden at the beginning of his term.
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/scottwongdc/status/1522528909589417986?s=21&t=xTNg1Am6LII0XJ4KutjPfg This is always so tiring because if someone actually believes that dems are defunding the police, they sure as hell won't be convinced otherwise no matter how much money dems give to cops and no matter how much the dems say they want to hug and kiss the police. (I know the actual reason for this is to lay the groundwork to shovel some blame towards defund the police for midterm losses tho)
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Dick Trauma posted:I remember back in the Eighties in college I had a Speech class. For the final we each had to give a 10 minute speech on any topic, and one woman began hers by standing up placards with photos of aborted fetuses. I left, so I guess I'll never know what her speech was about. I went to catholic high school in the 90's, and our "sex ed" was pictures of aborted fetuses, being told AIDs was small enough to go through holes in a condom and some crazy lady who kept putting tape on her arm to symbolize virginity
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/scottwongdc/status/1522528909589417986?s=21&t=xTNg1Am6LII0XJ4KutjPfg Defund the police will be blamed by Democrats for every single one of their failures for the next fifty years
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:^^^^ thank you goonsir Liquid Communism posted:Because they are goddamn idiots who got abstinence-only sex ed and as such have no idea how reproduction works biologically? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3311625/ PeterCat posted:Ok? They aren't, because IUDs don't work that way. The only thing they give a poo poo about is controlling women.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Defund the police will be blamed by Democrats for every single one of their failures for the next fifty years How popular is the idea currently? We discussed it before but the poll showing "not at all" seemed pretty leading iirc
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RBA Starblade posted:How popular is the idea currently? We discussed it before but the poll showing "not at all" seemed pretty leading iirc The popularity of a thing that never happened has nothing to do with the Democrats using it as yet another way to punch left as they lose.
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RBA Starblade posted:How popular is the idea currently? We discussed it before but the poll showing "not at all" seemed pretty leading iirc It’s not, but 1) if the Democrats actually supported it and educated people about it, then support for it would be higher and 2) none of the Democrats that ran in 2020 supported Defund the Police. They only used it as a scapegoat for why some democrats lost
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Nucleic Acids posted:Defund the police will be blamed by Democrats for every single one of their failures for the next fifty years
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RBA Starblade posted:How popular is the idea currently? We discussed it before but the poll showing "not at all" seemed pretty leading iirc Defund the police is not at all popular even among minorities. quote:Only 18% of respondents supported the movement known as "defund the police," and 58% said they opposed it. Though white Americans (67%) and Republicans (84%) were much more likely to oppose the movement, only 28% of Black Americans and 34% of Democrats were in favor of it.
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Which has nothing to do with the Democrats screaming about it every chance they get.
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RBA Starblade posted:How popular is the idea currently? We discussed it before but the poll showing "not at all" seemed pretty leading iirc That entirely depend on how you ask the question. Defunding the police is not popular, but all the polls for shifting money from the cops to social programs show strong support. As with most things like this the slogan was direct and honest but required a small amount of background to understand and therefore was an utter failure at accomplishing it's goals because no one reads below the headline.
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Since I talked to Willa and Leon a little about inflation last month. This should drag down the April inflation numbers. We should see lower or meeting estimates. If they surprise higher then lmao The combined number will hide the damage that is happening. Food, rent, energy, and services should be where we look. https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1522588294323871747?t=82HNvrkPgk8sipQ1b7PMYQ&s=19
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May 6, 2022 15:59
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CuddleCryptid posted:That entirely depend on how you ask the question. Defunding the police is not popular, but all the polls for shifting money from the cops to social programs show strong support.
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cat botherer posted:More broadly, people really are shaped by the information they consume, and everyone is on a steady diet of capitalist propaganda from a young age - severely limiting the ideas they are exposed to. Yes, but at the same time capitalist propaganda is not the only kind of propaganda there can be. I know that it's not the most glorious thing to say but it's not enough to be right, you have to be both right and compelling, and the propaganda on the side of the anti-cop movement is pretty poor. A lot of people on that side seem to think that appealing to emotion instead of statistics is punching below the belt, which is why they keep losing. Propaganda needs to be short, catchy, informative of your goals, and only mostly honest. You just can't statistics someone out of a position they were terrorized into. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 16:06 on May 6, 2022 |
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That seems to not want to load for me with ad-block on or without a sub, does it also poll for how popular giving more funding to the police is? I'm curious about the popularity of both against each other.
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The issue is that people DO perceive the police as helping stop or to prevent crime, though this is often not the case. It's also true that police become the ones running the crime rackets in some areas rather than individual or groups of officers taking a piece. The police quite often don't really answer to anyone but themselves and they lobby heavily to keep up the perception that they are necessary and what they do is necessary to hold society together, even when they cause far more harm than good. People don't tie the problems with police to serious systemic issues or they think some reform oversight will do the job, when in reality it's deeply rooted in the culture, the system and the wider justice system as a whole. Also, the fear of crime increasing is pumped up by the media, politicians and the police constantly. This drives people to want to feel safe and be okay with throwing ridiculous amounts of money to police, even as the apparatus largely abuses them or does nothing to really help them (like the security apparatus after 9/11)
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CuddleCryptid posted:Yes, but at the same time capitalist propaganda is not the only kind of propaganda there can be. I know that it's not the most glorious thing to say but it's not enough to be right, you have to be both right and compelling, and the propaganda on the side of the anti-cop movement is pretty poor. A lot of people on that side seem to think that appealing to emotion instead of statistics is punching below the belt, which is why they keep losing.
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Here's the poll this article references.  e: And the breakdown on the second question:  Worth noting how significantly the answers change when Defund is actually explained.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:how does the military downsize anyways? i imagine there are no layoffs, do they just not replace dischargees? less recruiting? stricter enlistment requirements? They can and have done 'layoffs'. I forget what they called them but basically you were compared with everyone else in your year group (the year you enlisted) and then based on your job code they'd start cutting people that underperformed. The problem with that is it was incredibly nebulous what metrics they were actually using, and people couldn't just voluntarily leave so you'd run into a lot of situations where someone was actually really good at their job and wanted to stay in would get cut, and some rear end in a top hat who was the worst but definitely would have left if the option was there got to stay in.
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amusingly, defund the police is getting the same treatment as 'close the concentration camps' tentative gestures of support in the moment (remember the AOC photo op at the fence? remember the kneeling in dashikis?) followed by unrelenting, incessant attacks on the idea as left wing insanity any time the subject is broached. it's not surprising coming from Biden- his historical position on racial politics can be summed up with fourteen words- but seeing the rest of the party wholly united in the message 'we need more and better supported knees on the throats of the weak' is a hell of a thing. do they really think it's going to save them?
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Baronash posted:Here's the poll this article references. That's exactly what I was looking for, thank you e: Well, except for the age of it
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's not surprising coming from Biden- his historical position on racial politics can be summed up with fourteen words- but seeing the rest of the party wholly united in the message 'we need more and better supported knees on the throats of the weak' is a hell of a thing. Probably. Biden's core appeal to the establishment is that he embodies "nothing will fundamentally change." The democratic party doesn't have much to offer other than "how about we do what we're already doing?" because they're constitutionally opposed to making the sweeping changes necessary to remove the rot endemic to the system they serve. In effect, it doesn't matter how popular something is if it's contrary to the interests of the system itself -- police are meant to protect property, particularly that of the rich capitalist class, and so defunding them is anathema to the system. When the system is threatened, the impulse is to protect its core values harder, thus "we need more funding to police." Even if the idea to defund the police were broadly popular, it would be democratic orthodoxy to make it unpopular. Both parties are compelled to propagandize neoliberal values of permanent growth and unrestricted capital because that's what the entire system is designed to do. The frustrating thing about it is that if the democrats (collectively) were to use their power as an established interest to champion progress and human rights, we'd see a lot of big, systemic changes that would help a lot of people. But for almost half a century now they use their considerable influence to reify the concept that the status quo is the best things can possibly be.
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I visited family in Cleveland recently and took a long walk with an old friend. He was telling me about how the city council passes all of their legislation as emergency legislation because if they don't a different law requires that each new law be read out loud on the floor three times. This law exists because legislators were passing laws without reading them. Recently the city passed a new street light funding bill but in the bill was also a purchase of a bunch of monitoring and facial recognition palantir styles software for the cops. It was passed as emergency legislation and they didn't read it and now city council are pissed, because the cops have been requesting this and they've been denying this for years.
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Professor Beetus posted:What were you getting at when you first asked Uncle Boogeyman this, op? I was getting at exactly what I wrote and you quoted. Internet doesn't have inflection so please imagine that I'm calmly saying that. Read the person's post and then read what I said. I don't want to add any extra words until what I said was addressed appropriately and in good faith. That's why I didn't like the other person mischaracterizing my position. I don't like when someone makes up a position that I didn't state. Following that sentiment, that's why I felt a probe for "not adding to the discussion" was dumb because I was saying "I literally didn't say that at all." But if defending yourself by saying that is probable then I'll just start lying about what people said because that is--as signaled by moderators--not as bad as saying "that's not what I said." To put it differently: someone mischaracterizing what I said does not put an onus on me to clear up the thing I didn't say. The Sean fucked around with this message at 16:54 on May 6, 2022 |
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/scottwongdc/status/1522528909589417986?s=21&t=xTNg1Am6LII0XJ4KutjPfg Not sure how much I care about twenty conservative democrats, representing less than ten percent of the D caucus, sending a letter expressing a conservative Democratic opinion.
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I'll state it outright: Many people see getting an abortion as a fortunate or a neutral occurrence. So what? The Sean posted:To put it differently: someone mischaracterizing what I said does not put an onus on me to clear up the thing I didn't say. If someone misunderstands what you say how can they get to the truth of the meaning if you won't clarify? I'm still thinking about this cuz it's a tricky business and I don't think the tools the mods have are very good for this process but it's all we have. You can say "that's not what I said" but if you aren't expanding on what you meant or considering why they might have thought you meant something different you aren't actually adding anything and you might as well have just ignored them and not responded at all. Imo. Adding "quotes" around specific word choices that weren't even "used" is a weird vibe Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 17:13 on May 6, 2022 |
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Harold Fjord posted:I visited family in Cleveland recently and took a long walk with an old friend. He was telling me about how the city council passes all of their legislation as emergency legislation because if they don't a different law requires that each new law be read out loud on the floor three times. This law exists because legislators were passing laws without reading them. The city councillors of Cleveland treat legislation like they are clicking past the TOS screen on iTunes?
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Total Party Kill posted:The city councillors of Cleveland treat legislation like they are clicking past the TOS screen on iTunes? Most of congress works this way as well. There are lots of videos of the house where people vote for each other, and more or less just mindlessly mash yay or nay based on what the party leadership told them. It's an open secret that many senators are basically just there in body and have their staff do all of their voting for them. So... y'know. Once you learn how the government actually functions, the fact that it's a horrible useless mess isn't much of a surprise.
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The Sean posted:I was getting at exactly what I wrote and you quoted. Internet doesn't have inflection so please imagine that I'm calmly saying that. Read the person's post and then read what I said. I don't want to add any extra words until what I said was addressed appropriately and in good faith. That's why I didn't like the other person mischaracterizing my position. I don't like when someone makes up a position that I didn't state. No one "lied" about what you said, they inferred because why the hell else would you ask that question? What about op's post was confusing? Based on statistics and my experience with Planned Parenthood, I will say that many people, including a majority of women, feel that abortion is fortunate or neutral, and most are in fact glad that they can get an abortion that is safe and legal. Now that that's cleared up, is there something you'd care to add?
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