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Gravitas Shortfall posted:OWL was a mistake, Blizzard should have just leaned heavily into the Saturday Morning Cartoon vibe of OW instead of trying to force a Serious E Sport Absolutely. They ignored pro StarCraft in Korea and when it blew up, they got so upset that they tried to force their way into pro StarCraft 2, which blew up in their faces. They keep chasing that dragon, and they'll never give up until big daddy MS tells them they suck absolute poo poo at it. OWL still doesn't have any major sponsors, and just loving lol at the decision to broadcast on YouTube, as if ignoring the base game wasn't enough to kill interest. Blizz has been a poo poo company for quite a while, it just took a long time for everyone to notice.
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For the record I would love to be wrong. I have 1000 hours in OW, I still dabble in Comp and play QP/MH regularly. It's the game that got me into PC FPS. I'd love if they pull off an engaging single player co-op mode. But it's Blizzard and they aren't going to, so I'd rather they pump the resources into a PvP reboot. The multiplayer aspect of the game is still but not beyond repair. The Beta hero reworks are excellent and Soujorn is really fun.
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May 8, 2022 19:36
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I'm not gonna pay for OW2 PvE since I have Game Pass in perpetuity thanks to MS Reward points. Suckers. Assuming OW2 will be on Game Pass.
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May 8, 2022 19:40
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Personally I think that people would love to play a good Overwatch SP/Co-op campaign, but also Blizzard is probably incapable of delivering one Trying to package the campaign with the multiplayer update was definitely a gigantic mistake when their only experience creating SP/Co-op stuff were the forgettable Archives seasonal missions. What they previewed of the campaign over the years has not been promising at all.
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May 8, 2022 19:41
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I will agree that the Overwatch PvE story mode ("Overwatch: <insert whatever the gently caress title here>") should've been a seperate game entirely and "Overwatch" should've remained the PvP only experience.
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May 8, 2022 19:43
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Yes I'm the malding one, for saying people don't want to give Blizzard Entertainment likely $60 in 2023 for some dogshit single player game that lasts 15 hours based on characters that peaked in popularity in 2017. Imagine a bird who has only ever known the confines of the house his cage was in. Imagine the vastness of the world beyond those walls, inconceivable to this little bird.
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May 8, 2022 19:47
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There are far, far more people who just want to see characters kiss than there are people who ever play Overwatch. The subset of the kissing group- a thin sliver of a slice from that pie- that wants to play the game without encountering a try hard dwarfs the PvP community in comparison. The ocean gets much deeper, and the fish bigger and weirder than you think.
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May 8, 2022 19:52
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Have the gamers who prefer a single player experience heard of "novels" or "taking a walk". How about you go "versus" the "environment" of outside if quick play is too stressful for you. Or if you like "characters" how about you call your drat mom today. Look at the calendar
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May 8, 2022 20:00
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Nitevision posted:Have the gamers who prefer a single player experience heard of "novels" or "taking a walk". How about you go "versus" the "environment" of outside if quick play is too stressful for you. Or if you like "characters" how about you call your drat mom today. Look at the calendar Touch grass, basically. Good Will Hrunting posted:Lotta projecting ITT Nerds be honry 
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May 8, 2022 20:02
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Or play a game with a better story focused on characters and environment and not a forced PVE experience in a 7 year old PVP game
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May 8, 2022 20:02
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Overwatch PvE story mode campaign was announced 2019, so technically they were forcing the PvE experience onto a 3ish year old game.
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May 8, 2022 20:04
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And haven't delivered anything worthwhile in three years, for PVE or PVP. But hey at least some people who love Overwatch porn will be happy when it releases in 2026.
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May 8, 2022 20:07
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Nitevision posted:Have the gamers who prefer a single player experience heard of "novels" or "taking a walk". How about you go "versus" the "environment" of outside if quick play is too stressful for you. Or if you like "characters" how about you call your drat mom today. Look at the calendar Why would I go outside, it's hot. Also my mom is not Junkrat unfortunately
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May 8, 2022 20:08
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Don't agree with this at all, especially not at the height of Overwatch. Numbers will back it up, as will the popularity of OWL. You're just making things up I think? I know it's hard to imagine, but for any game that has a vocal competitive scene with people tryharding, they are almost always vastly outnumbered by the silent supermajority of casuals. I think all of Overwatch's PVE thus far has been boring as poo poo, but I'm sure there's a staggering number of players out there that would rather destroy some braindead AI bots over and over with their friends and never touch a PVP mode again. Like Magic the gathering figured this out with their audience years ago and shifted their efforts towards a lot of more causal products. Blizzard should have known too, with how popular bot stomp lobbies were in Starcraft back in the day, and also seeing how many WoW players never raided till they made absolutely brain-dead versions of the raid content.
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Nitevision posted:Have the gamers who prefer a single player experience heard of "novels" or "taking a walk". How about you go "versus" the "environment" of outside if quick play is too stressful for you. Or if you like "characters" how about you call your drat mom today. Look at the calendar Quotes don't emphasize the meaning of what you're saying.
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May 8, 2022 20:12
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People plunk down shitloads of cash on games like CoD and Halo every year and never touch the MP. SP/Co-op campaigns are insanely popular and it has nothing to do with erotic fanfiction or whatever.
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May 8, 2022 20:18
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My brother and I are looking forward to playing the PvE OW stuff with his godson and my goddaughter.
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WINSTON: All right, everyone. It's been a long time, and the lighting outside has changed a lot. But the world needs Overwatch yet again. TRACER: You mean we failed to defeat the Pollutoids in Havana after all? MERCY: Not only zat, but there's an entire new "Elite" variety of zem now. REAPER: Hrrm... We'll need to get more powerful. More violent. MERCY: Zat's where your talent points come in. TRACER: Cheerio darling. But have really we got the proper stuff to beat them? CASSIDY: Don't look at me pardner. Reckon I just got here THOUSANDS OF GAMERS (silently): This cinematic goes crazy ZARYA: Pollutoids worse even than Russia... Glad I am Moldovan now.
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Oh, drat, yeah, Zarya may very well be completely ruined as a lore character at this point.
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turns out you can get 10-20 second queue times via open queue because nobody ever wanted role queue, and also that the overpowered tanks completely gently caress up the game when you can pick two of them because blizzard are morons who keep trying to turn their FPS into league of legends
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kedo posted:I hope the PVE is more than PVE is in OW1 where 90% of the content is just taking existing maps and putting incredibly dumb AI bots in it that can only run in a straight line and shoot at the nearest target, and playing on a higher difficulty only means the AI has better aim. Apparently OV1 PVE is the way it is due to engine limitations rather than laziness or anything Good Will Hrunting posted:How could you have any interest in the characters if you don't like multiplayer? How would you have gotten tied to the characters in the first place? There are tons of modes to chill out in, I just don't get the whole beefy PvE mode in a game that was literally designed to be PvP. It's such a gross misallocation of resources, given that OWL is also a thing and that the game should have as many resources as possible focused on MP content and balance. It's for those of us who like how the game plays but hate playing against other players due to how lovely the playerbase for this game is, like before I had given up on the PS4 version for good I was basically only playing during events that had a PVE mode available since it was the only reliable way to do events without having to deal with how lovely teams are in this game Good Will Hrunting posted:I don't think the appeal is there, so we disagree there. And even if it is, my argument is that it's loving stupid to put so much resourcing into it when Overwatch is a PvP game, it's popularity came from competitive PvP not some PvE limited time events, and they have neglected PvP for so long. Man you're kind of being an rear end in a top hat... teagone posted:There are more normies than sweaties, and the normies would likely play PvE story modes over having to endure PvP toxicity. This Valentin posted:unfortunately OWL is very much more obviously the mistake than PvE, if you're working from day 1 with the benefit of hindsight, but you can't exactly just torch every contract there on a whim lol Agreed
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It's really funny arguing about a shooter having a PvP and PvE modes when Destiny proves that its possible to have such a thing and it's still going strong Granted, Overwatch 2 would need more PvE modes than just longer versions of the Archives events
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SgtSteel91 posted:It's really funny arguing about a shooter having a PvP and PvE modes when Destiny 2 proves that its possible to have such a thing and it's still going strong Uhh maybe Destiny isn't the best example, it's hard to describe the loathing Bungie has for that game's PVP community
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Arzachel posted:Uhh maybe Destiny isn't the best example, it's hard to describe the loathing Bungie has for that game's PVP community They just complain that there's no new maps; the gameplay is still going strong and Bungie keeps working on PvP balancing
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OW is a casual game if you're playing against other people 99.9 percent of them were normies. Though it is true most people wanna play against NPCs - a big problem for a lot of recent-ish RTS games was focusing on online play and not putting in campaigns. I dunno if OWL was a mistake they got rich people to plunk down tens of millions per team for what was at the time like the fourth most popular "competitive" multiplayer game.
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every game has a roadhog on each team because he's a 700hp dps with hook and massive self-heal lol
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Wheeee posted:every game has a roadhog on each team because he's a 700hp dps with hook and massive self-heal lol He's also a breeze to counter if your dps have half a brain and aren't using a trackpad though.
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plz post a bit less like you're team mates in a comp match (I think I'm 3 hours late saying this) Chillgamesh posted:Personally I think that people would love to play a good Overwatch SP/Co-op campaign, but also Blizzard is probably incapable of delivering one Yeah I think it's this. There's some hypothetical market for it, though man the real time to have had it was years ago and every day longer it takes to get it out, the more the OW ship as a whole has sailed. They clearly had some PVE stuff basically fully developed as far back as 2 years ago and it's almost impossible to escape the whole question of 'wtf have they been doing for the last 3/4 years now?' I do think that if they want an OW PVE game to do well now it has to do well purely on its own merits. 3 years ago they could've coasted to record sales just on OW1's hype, but I see no reason to believe that's still in the cards. The length that interest in OW2 pvp beta lasted was telling. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 22:41 on May 8, 2022 |
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Sakara123 posted:He's also a breeze to counter if your dps have half a brain and aren't using a trackpad though. yea i'm not complaining that he's overpowered i'm commenting on how people actually want to play this game versus how blizzard is continually trying to force it to be played
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Herstory Begins Now posted:plz post a bit less like you're team mates in a comp match reported for afk
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:reported for afk gg ez No skill Hanzo main!
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:reported for afk Ima get a message in 3 hours from videogames that the report volume has actually crashed the back-end report-viewing forum
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:OWL was a mistake, Blizzard should have just leaned heavily into the Saturday Morning Cartoon vibe of OW instead of trying to force a Serious E Sport Ya, it's crazy how mainstream popular OW1 was at the start. Like EVERYONE was playing it before Blizzard decided they had to make the most competitive esport, despite having no FPS developing experience
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pnumoman posted:Absolutely. They ignored pro StarCraft in Korea and when it blew up, they got so upset that they tried to force their way into pro StarCraft 2, which blew up in their faces. They keep chasing that dragon, and they'll never give up until big daddy MS tells them they suck absolute poo poo at it. OWL still doesn't have any major sponsors, and just loving lol at the decision to broadcast on YouTube, as if ignoring the base game wasn't enough to kill interest. Blizz has been a poo poo company for quite a while, it just took a long time for everyone to notice. They've had SO many golden opportunities just drop into their lap and waste them all. It really is hilarious when you think about it. Pro Starcraft, Dota's popularity, OW explosion...
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Groovelord Neato posted:I dunno if OWL was a mistake they got rich people to plunk down tens of millions per team for what was at the time like the fourth most popular "competitive" multiplayer game. Only ATVI's analysts can answer that one properly, I imagine, but from a brand and game health perspective, it's a massive time and attention sink. Means you have to devote significant continual dev time and attention to PvP balancing, and you have actual stakeholders like sponsors and team owners to get upset about everything from balance to game scheduling. It's a lot of moving parts on top of the game that have nothing to do with making the game play well and building a fan base, and they built it in as their #1 priority incredibly early on. Surely highly lucrative if you can walk that tightrope, but... e: there's no possible one to one comparison between time and resources spent on OWL versus dev time on other things, and I don't think that's a worthwhile point anyways. I mean even on the level of questions like "what hero do we add next" or "what's our next rework," OWL adds a hundred different variables (and monied stakeholders) on top of existing complicated concerns about balance, player retention, the ever-elusive "fun," etc. Valentin fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 8, 2022 |
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All true but it's hard to believe they didn't come out on top with how much they bilked out of people buying teams it was insane money from what I'd heard. Like even a successful team in a bigger game would never break even kinda money.DrunkPanda posted:Ya, it's crazy how mainstream popular OW1 was at the start. Like EVERYONE was playing it before Blizzard decided they had to make the most competitive esport, despite having no FPS developing experience It was a lot of fun in the early days but yeah going the competitive route with an FPS team helmed by the EQ poopsocker you hired to work on WoW was a goofy move even at the time let alone in hindsight.
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It's hilarious how OWL is the whipping boy for every single perceived fault, people with completely opposite views will blame esports for whatever thing they don't like
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Groovelord Neato posted:All true but it's hard to believe they didn't come out on top with how much they bilked out of people buying teams it was insane money from what I'd heard. Like even a successful team in a bigger game would never break even kinda money. They came out on top in the sense of converting a contrived esports scene into 300 mill of revenue or whatever, however the potential revenue value of ow was vastly higher than that
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Wheeee posted:every game has a roadhog on each team because he's a 700hp dps with hook and massive self-heal lol Their balance team is so stupid. They always nerf the hitscan heroes that require aim because "they are a little too strong". But they always leave these absolutely broken heroes that require no skill in an OP state
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