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The Democratic party will fully uphold the rule of law and support America's security forces, assuming they don't just lose the regular way.
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If you guys think voting is useless, and can't even imagine massive public direct action in the event of a no-poo poo, no-question stolen election from Republicans then why do you even talk or think about politics? Honest question!
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May 9, 2022 20:56
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:There is simply no conceivable reality where this happens Two weeks ago, I would have agreed with you, because that would require the Supreme Court siding with a state legislature that chooses to simply ignore the votes cast by their people. I still wouldn't call that exactly likely, but...
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May 9, 2022 20:56
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Mellow Seas posted:If you guys think voting is useless, and can't even imagine massive public direct action in the event of a no-poo poo, no-question stolen election from Republicans then why do you even talk or think about politics? Honest question! Can't imagine massive public direct action *changing anything*
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May 9, 2022 20:57
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Mellow Seas posted:You don't believe there would be massive, potentially violent protests if Republicans straight up stole a presidential election? Why not? Idk probably because it already happened 20 years ago and now the thief is broadly popular among Democrats despite the raft of evil poo poo he used the stolen presidency to do But more generally I just assumed it was okay to make categorical statements with no supporting reasoning because that's what you're doing today
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May 9, 2022 20:58
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:Much like when the system, sacred and inviolate, determined that not passing the paper bag test was punishable by being thrown in a concentration camp, everyone who might one day want an abortion is learning what the Democratic Party considers its purpose to be. When the System determines a group of people must be brutally subjugated in the hopes of alleviating the ennui of the powerful, all that slow, measured deliberation vanishes, replaced by a lockstep quick-march to accomplish their goals. The Supreme Court previously ruled that protesting outside citizens' private homes is perfectly permitted under the First Amendment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madsen_v._Women%27s_Health_Center,_Inc. Very weird that it's now a problem!
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May 9, 2022 20:59
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There was massive public outcry and reaction to a police officer kneeling on someone's neck until that person died. A police officer outright murdered a dude and there were protests. It shook the system to it's foundations and led to lasting change.
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May 9, 2022 21:11
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Other than the cop in prison what lasting changes are you talking about?
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May 9, 2022 21:13
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Harold Fjord posted:Other than the cop in prison what lasting changes are you talking about? police departments around the country have been given significant pay raises for their exemplary service in that's a change, I guess
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May 9, 2022 21:16
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:police departments around the country have been given significant pay raises for their exemplary service in Yeah, it made it so when violence and rioting is necessary, more poor people will get murdered by the cops more efficiently.
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May 9, 2022 21:20
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Harold Fjord posted:Other than the cop in prison what lasting changes are you talking about? I'd like to know the answer to this question too because right after that cop got convicted and thrown in prison we had the democratic leadership publicly saying "Well that issue is settled now and I hope we can put this whole thing behind us and look toward the future" instead of locking up all the other cops who have murdered innocent people in cold blood
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May 9, 2022 21:23
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Elephant Ambush posted:I'd like to know the answer to this question too because right after that cop got convicted and thrown in prison we had the democratic leadership publicly saying "Well that issue is settled now and I hope we can put this whole thing behind us and look toward the future" instead of locking up all the other cops who have murdered innocent people in cold blood Could you cite more specifically where democratic leadership said these things? I'm sure some of them did, but you appear to imply that all of them did.
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May 9, 2022 21:26
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Elephant Ambush posted:I'd like to know the answer to this question too because right after that cop got convicted and thrown in prison we had the democratic leadership publicly saying "Well that issue is settled now and I hope we can put this whole thing behind us and look toward the future" instead of locking up all the other cops who have murdered innocent people in cold blood it was sarcasm in response to the idea that people would rise up and demand change and also back these demands with real force (not necessarily violence, which I am not advocating). Also, it's not just politicians that thought this way. Chauvin getting convicted was confirmation to many that the system works. There are absolutely ways to go about changing things but the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people are too afraid of losing what little they have to do anything more than performative tourism. And to be completely fair to them, if they did do more, their lives could absolutely be ruined by it.
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May 9, 2022 21:27
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Oracle posted:So what about the National Guard/armed forces? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman Or this lady https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning
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May 9, 2022 21:31
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Harold Fjord posted:Other than the cop in prison what lasting changes are you talking about? Colorado actually got a decent amount of changes made when they passed SB-217, including ending qualified immunity. Also, according to at least 1 poster ITT, it has supposedly gotten us closer to an inevitable revolution  But yea, not much/minimal lasting changes. As one would expect. Kalit fucked around with this message at 21:34 on May 9, 2022 |
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May 9, 2022 21:32
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Nah, it's just a "high road" performative bill introduced by a Republican that some Democrats signed onto because it is an easy PR thing and they think having Republicans sign onto a bill like this will make them behave better. More than that, it's a wedge messaging bill. Dems have to vote for it or they get pummeled for not voting for it, and the fact that they're voting for it gets used in messaging targeting divisions in the left. Like, you know...here. Which is why the Fox reporter tweeted and mediated it the way he did. https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1523690465589010432 Read the framing, note the anonymous source and the "if there aren't objections".
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May 9, 2022 21:35
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https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1523647950324649984?s=20&t=58s7u3T7NXcBzqUw-WVQxw An extremely good look at why the "just vote" attitude is in such dire straights.
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May 9, 2022 21:41
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Mellow Seas posted:You don't believe there would be massive, potentially violent protests if Republicans straight up stole a presidential election? Why not? It is fascinating that you are fantasizing about an uprising to overthrow the government the next time Republicans steal an election (even though it didn't happen last time), yet also angrily defending bills to beef up the police state which will be used to massacre organized resistance. It's an incredible enigma how your mind works and I want to know more. Please, tell me why you want the judges who will surely be a part of stealing the next election to be better protected from you as they do it.
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May 9, 2022 21:44
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Harold Fjord posted:Other than the cop in prison what lasting changes are you talking about? Well murdering protesters now has judicial approval as long as it's contracted out to private vigilantes like Rittenhouse and the Proud Boys, that's a pretty important and likely resilient change don't you think.
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May 9, 2022 21:47
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The supreme court already has a successful coup under their belt. If you're waiting for due cause to start a reverse 1/6 you already have it multiple times over.
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May 9, 2022 21:48
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Whatever, you  assholes can stay home, I'll be there(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 9, 2022 21:49
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Discendo Vox posted:More than that, it's a wedge messaging bill. Dems have to vote for it or they get pummeled for not voting for it, and the fact that they're voting for it gets used in messaging targeting divisions in the left. Like, you know...here. Which is why the Fox reporter tweeted and mediated it the way he did. This would be a more compelling argument to me if they weren't also spending time on their messaging that the protests are potentially dangerous https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1523649143951962115 Like, instead of turning it around and saying something to the effect of acknowledging the protests and focusing on how it's a demonstration of how people don't want their freedoms taken away, they're just repeating how potentially dangerous they are Edit: Mellow Seas posted:Whatever, you Stay out of my home Lemming fucked around with this message at 21:57 on May 9, 2022 |
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May 9, 2022 21:49
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Vandalism being conflated with personal safety is telling. "Nothing matters" is such a great meme for getting morons to tell on themselves and their utter lack of imagination. "if you disagree with me, you must just be a total misanthropic nihilist. No reasonable disagreement is possible!" Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 21:58 on May 9, 2022 |
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May 9, 2022 21:54
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Discendo Vox posted:More than that, it's a wedge messaging bill. Dems have to vote for it or they get pummeled for not voting for it, and the fact that they're voting for it gets used in messaging targeting divisions in the left. Like, you know...here. Which is why the Fox reporter tweeted and mediated it the way he did. What exactly are you objecting to? If Democrats have to vote for it or they get pummeled for not voting for it, then it sounds like you agree it will likely sail through without objections since Dems have to vote for it, and Republicans will certainly vote for it. How could it be otherwise, do they have to vote for it or don't they. Are you just objecting to Fox pontificating on how long it could take? Or the fact that it's Fox, because if that's the problem CNN is carrying the story too and also suggesting it will pass "quickly" though not necessarily "today" Senators aim to quickly pass bill to expand security for families of Supreme Court justices
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May 9, 2022 21:57
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Harold Fjord posted:Vandalism being conflated with personal safety is telling. Just a sign of how out of touch this country has become with the founding fathers original message if they think Judges shouldn't be under constant threat of being harassed for doing things the people don't like.
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May 9, 2022 21:58
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Discendo Vox posted:More than that, it's a wedge messaging bill. Dems have to vote for it or they get pummeled for not voting for it, and the fact that they're voting for it gets used in messaging targeting divisions in the left. Like, you know...here. Which is why the Fox reporter tweeted and mediated it the way he did. So they have to vote to protect fascists or someone will criticize them? Actually they'll get criticized either way, but it sounds like they've decided to get criticized by people who want to stop the GOP instead of the pro-decorum block.
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May 9, 2022 21:59
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Gumball Gumption posted:Just a sign of how out of touch this country has become with the founding fathers original message if they think Judges shouldn't be under constant threat of being harassed for doing things the people don't like. Judges should not be under threat of being harassed for doing unpopular things, but also judges have no business making judgements based on politically-motivated reasoning either, so as long as the latter goes on I don't mind the harassment.
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May 9, 2022 22:01
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Bishyaler posted:So they have to vote to protect fascists or someone will criticize them? Actually they'll get criticized either way, but it sounds like they've decided to get criticized by people who want to stop the GOP instead of the pro-decorum block. I feel like my entire adult life I've heard countless times over and over again that dems have to vote for a thing or republicans will criticize them for being too weak/soft/too radical/etc. And then the dems vote, and republicans still criticize them. It's as certain as the sun rising in the morning.
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May 9, 2022 22:03
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1523755014665105408?s=20&t=bAZEMTmeQIU25m_V-Mq-OQ We have money for war, but for preventing people from getting sick, pockets are empty
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May 9, 2022 22:10
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Bishyaler posted:So they have to vote to protect fascists or someone will criticize them? Actually they'll get criticized either way, but it sounds like they've decided to get criticized by people who want to stop the GOP instead of the pro-decorum block. Don't you see, this only happens to stoke divisions on the left, if these drat lefties just shut the gently caress up, this wouldn't be happening. It's all there in the tweet, please apply some media literacy about it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 9, 2022 22:11
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1523755014665105408?s=20&t=bAZEMTmeQIU25m_V-Mq-OQ Wouldn't the Ukrainian aid also be partisan or has the GOP come around on it?
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May 9, 2022 22:12
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"Nice institutions... would be a shame if something were to... happen to them..."  https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1523753421488242689?s=20&t=CiKW6FiRb23sJvR-EBMwXw
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May 9, 2022 22:16
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1523755014665105408?s=20&t=bAZEMTmeQIU25m_V-Mq-OQ Given how the last big decoupling went I take it to mean that any covid relief bills are dead in the water. Would love to be proven wrong but I'm not optimistic about it!
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May 9, 2022 22:16
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Srice posted:I feel like my entire adult life I've heard countless times over and over again that dems have to vote for a thing or republicans will criticize them for being too weak/soft/too radical/etc. Why & how do you think everyone to the left of manchin in congress has been called a "radical socialist," including the guy who spoke lovingly of Fred Upton a few short years ago & is now occupying the oval office? Which is then used as an excuse by Dems to move even farther right. eta: See McConnell above stating "the radicals are running the show"
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May 9, 2022 22:18
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Mellow Seas posted:Whatever, you I really doubt it In the event that happens, the most likely response from white liberals will simply be to default to the reasoning they're already prepping themselves for(which you can observe ITT any time the subject comes up), which is that while they may not like what the right is doing, additional social upheaval will only harm vulnerable minorities and therefore the only responsible path is acquiescence Well, that and hurling abuse at imaginary leftists online for insufficient loyalty to the Democrats of course
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May 9, 2022 22:18
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Dick Trauma posted:"Nice institutions... would be a shame if something were to... happen to them..." We don't need to worry about this, I've been assured that he's a man of honor. https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1489285050252341253?s=20&t=PwsdsAhge35LNcgyZ3eWbA
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May 9, 2022 22:19
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Mellow Seas posted:Whatever, you You’ll be where?
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May 9, 2022 22:20
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RBA Starblade posted:Wouldn't the Ukrainian aid also be partisan or has the GOP come around on it? A lot of Republicans have moved on to "we've always been at war with Eurasia" even if the wilder Trumpists are all in on Ukraine being the corrupt fiefdom of George Soros and Hunter Biden. But you can still prevent actual party infighting by stressing how much this all is happening because Biden is so weak so we need to be strong like Putin is.
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May 9, 2022 22:21
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:40% of American Households will now be eligible for free 100 mbps internet. They can “tout” anything at this point. Whether or not they’ll actually try and pass it is something else entirely. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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punk rebel ecks posted:They can “tout” anything at this point. Whether or not they’ll actually try and pass it is something else entirely. This was already passed as part of the infrastructure bill, this is the concrete program that implements that part of the law
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