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FishBulbia posted:Yup. Having one word for blue doesn't mean English speakers can't see the difference between light and dark blue. I almost used the blue example as well. It's not that cultures that don't have a word for blue don't actually see the color blue. They have the same cones and rods we do. It's just that they may not have a word for it because they don't differentiate it from being a shade of another color (usually green.)
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:I almost used the blue example as well. It's not that cultures that don't have a word for blue don't actually see the color blue. They have the same cones and rods we do. It's just that they may not have a word for it because they don't differentiate it from being a shade of another color (usually green.) This is a great example. The small L liberal worldview, which whether we like to admit or not we labor under, shows us a homeless person, who most people perceive as a threat, a moral to a story, rather than a fellow human who is suffering and in need of help from the society they both live in. But if you approach politics as they exist in America trying to think that way, you get pushback from both Democrats and Republicans. You find you really can’t convince them to not means test for whether or not someone in need is the Devil’s Poor. They don’t see the fellow human, it’s because they don’t differentiate from another kind of abstraction (usually A Problem).
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Have some palingenetic ultranationalism, as a treat.quote:Over a year of doing research, Riccardi-Swartz learned that many of these converts had grown disillusioned with social and demographic change in the United States. In ROCOR, they felt they had found a church that has remained the same, regardless of place, time and politics. But Riccardi-Swartz also found strong strains of nativism, white nationalism and pro-authoritarianism, evidenced by strong admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin. If the rest of the world were not so utterly poo poo, Republicans unironically doing the Hopek would be funny.
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Our way of life, what our parents and schools teach us, the media we consume and commercials we hear, the messaging from our leaders, and the discourse with most of our peers... it's captured. That's why so many informed passionate people are gaslit IRL and on this very forum. That's how I'm interpreting selec's point (which in discussion became a bit over focused). Human nature and ability to process challenging information and change perspective, political and economic self interest individually or systemically, loving illuminati shadow cabals, whatever. Go talk to everybody you know about climate change or electoralism to feel it for yourself. So many people cannot even conceive of something different nevermind better. They can't or won't engage with it even in the face of data and compelling arguments, even when the collapse is falling on them. This just HAS TO BE right, because otherwise I'm wrong and scared and imperiled. I'm not opposed to society as a concept at all, but the one we've built (and basically global capitalism) has supplanted nature and evolution. Large swathes of people in our "democracy" are robbed of the strength independence and imagination to manifest a better world. It is a prophecy of doom. You don't have to pin all of my ramblings on selec's message but I think and hope it makes it clearer.
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Dick Trauma posted:https://twitter.com/eleanor_mueller/status/1524186915737640960?s=20&t=_k7MpBWdFAlLy5zJXJhojQ What if the staffers just formed a union and told the Congress to deal with it?
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Jaxyon posted:LOL May I educate you on the history of meat packing in Sioux City, Iowa? In 1980 the meat packers union struck IBP. IBP responded by locking out the union, shipping in Mexicans to work in the plants, and putting them up in a shanty till they broke the union.
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:I almost used the blue example as well. It's not that cultures that don't have a word for blue don't actually see the color blue. They have the same cones and rods we do. It's just that they may not have a word for it because they don't differentiate it from being a shade of another color (usually green.) Wait weren't there literally studies done that showed people from different cultures had an easier time recalling the difference between different groups of colors?
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But let's put it this way. Workers in the US recognize they're getting screwed. People ITT react with, "well the workers ought to hand the factory owners, that'll solve things!" Or the workers find a politician who speaks to their interests and votes for that politician. It's not out of racial animus but out of self-preservation. They're using the governmental apparatus to further their interests. Imagine if the democratic party offered such a thing. And as far as tariffs go, it amazes me that people who should otherwise know better don't understand how they work. The point of them is to cause companies to have to raise prices that the savings of cheap overseas labor are mitigated and it encourages the companies to bring the manufacturing back to the US. They do work, look at the sugar industry, or how they helped out Harley Davidson in the 80s.
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A big flaming stink posted:Wait weren't there literally studies done that showed people from different cultures had an easier time recalling the difference between different groups of colors? Sapir-Whorf is true in the lightest application. You could even say some words rhyming in one language associates them for a native speaker -- sure. And it creates new mental categories sometimes. A fundamental and intrinsically human method of cognitive processing shapes all human language, language doesn't shape processing.
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Isn't PeterCat still threadbanned?
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Bottom Liner posted:Isn't PeterCat still threadbanned? No, he was officially un-banned a couple of days ago or so-ish.
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They have been unbanned.
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You can tell it's appropriate for them to be let back in the thread because, while the only posts made so far are stupid disingenuous bullshit, it's been several posts since they celebrated a cop kneeling on a child's neck. They've since cleaned up their act, and now they simply threadshit and accuse defund the police rhetoric of directly leading to the recent spike in homicides and leave when it's pointed out how loving stupid that is
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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1524225434354733057?s=20&t=lz-vFa97DeiN3CzuHSbQWA https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1524230187197648898?s=20&t=_5rj-VO7hvavvlisFxowsg
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PeterCat posted:May I educate you on the history of meat packing in Sioux City, Iowa? PeterCat posted:But let's put it this way. Workers in the US recognize they're getting screwed. People ITT react with, "well the workers ought to hand the factory owners, that'll solve things!" Oh word, so did Trump scrap NAFTA then? End permanent normal trade relations with China? Brought all the jobs back? Furthered worker interests instead of factory owner profits? quote:Imagine of the Democratic Party offered such a thing VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 13:33 on May 11, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Grassley released his report on Garcetti & his sexually harassing bff, Rick Jacobs, and it looks like Biden's gonna have to find a new ambassador to India. He might lose out on that plumb ambassadorship, but hey, Rahm Emmanuel is in Tokyo right now.
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Inflation number dropped. https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1524366507144228864?t=89yE_CklEC1EG8Cceq4W7w&s=19 https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1524366485505855488?t=FVDAaknkSx0UeggIdGAukw&s=19 https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm While it is lower than the march "peak" that is deceiving. Looking st the breakdowns you can see energy prices and used car prices did drag down the inflation rate so this report was not catastrophic. That is the good news. Bad news. Food, shelter,, and new cars are running hotter than expected. Food is projected to keep going higher. Shelter shouldn't peak until july/august/september. New cars should keep climbing higher due to supply chain issues. High inflation is embedded and persistent. Tomorrow's PPI will most likely confirm this. May inflation numbers may end up going higher than the March "peak" due to energy costs skyrocketing in may. Plus the China lockdown supply shocks are still working its way through the system. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 14:10 on May 11, 2022 |
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PeterCat posted:What if the staffers just formed a union and told the Congress to deal with it? They technically could, but their pay structure was set by law and the office of their Representative, their benefits were set by law, and they were managed by OMB and the Congressional Management Organization. So, they could be "in a union," but couldn't sign a contract or negotiate any form of compensation. This change lets them sign a contract as a group.
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PeterCat posted:But let's put it this way. Workers in the US recognize they're getting screwed. People ITT react with, "well the workers ought to hand the factory owners, that'll solve things!" 1) It can be both pre-existing racial animus and self-preservation. 2) Nobody is disputing that tariffs work. That is why they are a big deal. People dispute the use of tariffs for no reason except to "keep jobs in Ohio" because it makes prices higher for everyone else in the country, hurts the overseas economies (but, nobody really cares about this aspect), and may or may not actually keep the jobs. The dispute is "is it worth hurting every other industry and consumer in the country (plus some out of the country) to keep a steel plant in Ohio open?" Obviously, the steel industry and workers there say yes. Most other people have no knowledge/don't care or would oppose raising prices for that purpose.
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Schumer somehow coming out with the best take of any elected Democrat. https://twitter.com/mmcauliff/status/1524098613852389377 A bunch of people who served on the Board of Pardons with Fetterman came out to say what a jerk he was and how bad of a job he did, but accidentally make him sound awesome. https://twitter.com/JonathanTamari/status/1524375839550414848 quote:John Fetterman ran the Board of Pardons like an activist — and at times a bully
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
That sounds good, low prices for me, until you realize that this argument doesn't just apply to a single steel plant in Ohio, it applies to everyone who has a job manufacturing anything which can be moved overseas and ship product back in container ships. And everyone who has a job serving towns that are dependent on a manufacturing economy. Cheap iron homewares at Wal Mart aren't actually a benefit if you have no job and can't afford homewares or a home. Of course if you have a job that can't move and that doesn't depend on a manufacturing economy, like a cushy government job with a retirement plan that doesn't exist for private sector workers anymore then yeah it's a no brainer, cheap poo poo at Walmart is well worth immiserating millions of fellow Americans in poverty. The benefit to workers in other countries is questionable since the corporate profits come from running abusive sweatshops, and the worse the conditions the better for the bottom line so the flip side of those 'great' sweatshop jobs is companies pouring the profits back into corrupt governments to crack down on their workers and beat them in the streets for organizing, and of course we all have to pay for a major bloated military to coup those governments if the people don't vote for corrupt American stooges. So it's not really "benefit everyone in the world or benefit one steel plant in Ohio" like you are saying VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 14:41 on May 11, 2022 |
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Decent breakdown thread of why inflation will stay high at a potential plateau or leg higher. He even notes how used cars are outweighted. https://twitter.com/jasonfurman/status/1524372655301963776?t=YViKcoKtFKbzrhfS_av6aw&s=19 I can not stress enough either how bad this inflation report was. The only good news is it didn't surpass March. All 67 inflation expectations were wrong. The federal reserve will be forcing a recession to curb some of this, but how much demand destruction and wage destruction will be required to bring inflation back down. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 14:49 on May 11, 2022 |
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VitalSigns posted:That sounds good, low prices for me, until you realize that this argument doesn't just apply to a single steel plant in Ohio, it applies to everyone who has a job manufacturing anything which can be moved overseas and ship product back in container ships. And everyone who has a job serving towns that are dependent on a manufacturing economy. Cheap iron homewares at Wal Mart aren't actually a benefit if you have no job and can't afford homewares or a home. Automation already reduced many of the manual factory jobs starting in the 60's and increased production at the same time. 88% of lost manufacturing jobs were the result of automation/productivity changes in the last 22 years. The total amount of manufacturing jobs lost from the all-time high in the 40's is about 6 million. That's not a ton of jobs spread out over 80 years. The significance of factory workers is that they are geographically concentrated in politically important areas (Ohio, PA, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, etc.) and very specific industries (widgets, steel, raw materials, etc.) https://conexus.cberdata.org/files/MfgReality.pdf It's the same argument for protecting the coal industry. Tariffs aren't the reason that many manufacturers don't move overseas or reduce staff. For most products, it doesn't make sense to ship them when they can be made near the distribution point. Instead of spending millions directly and costing 99% of the population indirectly, you could use that money to just have a more reasonable safety net or invest in other types of manufacturing. Otherwise, you are going to have to require higher and higher tariffs and costs on society to support an ever smaller portion of the population for no reason other than we fetishize factory workers, miners, and farmers.
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It's not like we are going to be able to afford to ship this stuff all over the planet forever. Better to keep these plants open and prepare for autarky now
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Eric Adams continues to say things. https://twitter.com/BudrykZack/status/1524387812073775104
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Instead of spending millions directly and costing 99% of the population indirectly, you could use that money to just have a more reasonable safety net or invest in other types of manufacturing. Otherwise, you are going to have to require higher and higher tariffs and costs on society to support an ever smaller portion of the population for no reason other than we fetishize factory workers, miners, and farmers.
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Mr Hootington posted:Decent breakdown thread of why inflation will stay high at a potential plateau or leg higher. He even notes how used cars are outweighted. Do you have information on the sectors driving the inflation in services? (One that I've seen happen is in home health care, especially post-covid.) Is it due to labor shortages and thus rising wages, or something else? This caught my eye too: https://twitter.com/jasonfurman/status/1524372683701510147 because that appears to be both fairly catastrophic and counter to the messages that administration sycophants are propagating.
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Thom12255 posted:Eric Adams continues to say things. Remember that part in the bible when the mouse falls into a bucket of cream and churns it into butter by running real fast so he can climb out? The lesson is if you work hard enough you can overcome anything. I think it was in the Book of Matthew.
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Thom12255 posted:Eric Adams continues to say things. It's been almost two weeks since Eric Adams did something crazy, so he's got to make up for lost time. He also went to co-commentate at the Yankees game last night and spent 10 minutes talking about how ghosts are real, they haunt the Mayoral residence, and nobody will believe him that they roam the halls at night and he has seen them. https://twitter.com/winsjuliet/status/1524175589720088578 https://twitter.com/bobhardt/status/1524175947716567042 This tweet about Eric Adams from 2021 will always be accurate; no matter when you read it. https://twitter.com/Lubchansky/status/1407665504236548098 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 11, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Do you have information on the sectors driving the inflation in services? (One that I've seen happen is in home health care, especially post-covid.) Is it due to labor shortages and thus rising wages, or something else? Services is a tidal wave of demand shifting from goods into that sector. There is also services having to cover costs from goods rising. Wages are not adding as much to inflation as everyone is being lead to believe. Blackrock agrees with that. The labor shortage may not even be real. There is ancedotal evidence that many of the job listings are for the same job but posted in each state. This is causing the number of "openings" to be inflated. I heard a good term yesterday that what is happening is a "profit-price spiral". An interesting thought. Wages have been dropping since the beginning of the year. I think December had negative real growth too. It is absolutely catastrophic for the bottom of this country. At this point we will be getting a recession whether on its own or forced by the fed. How severe is what you should be asking. Hell yesterday and today biden essentially called for the fed to do a recession. https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1524390639609290753?t=XzKaZzvL9lJ4KzKCAbanPA&s=19
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Mr Hootington posted:Hell yesterday and today biden essentially called for the fed to do a recession. Volcker Shock 2, baby! People said Biden could be the new FDR, but he has chosen to be the new Carter instead. edit: my point still stands but on examination that tweet does not seem very reliable
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
You are right that tariffs alone aren't the solution, after all we had tariffs and an industrial policy in 1880 and that wasn't a good time to be a worker. What you need is a strong labor movement so when a company automates a factory, they can be compelled to reduce the workday instead of firing a bunch of workers and making everyone else work as much as before. Free trade undermines labor power because hey if you workers want to benefit from automation instead of being just as hosed as before we'll move the factory to Mexico or Indonesia or wherever we can bribe a government to let us gently caress their workers instead. Also the only time we had a safety net at all was when we had a strong labor movement, it's not a coincidence that free trade was paired with destroying welfare.
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If you think inflation is bad now, wait until the east coast runs out of diesel.
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Mr Hootington posted:If you think inflation is bad now, wait until the east coast runs out of diesel. Time to fill up on veggie oil 
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Gripweed posted:Volcker Shock 2, baby! People said Biden could be the new FDR, but he has chosen to be the new Carter instead. Yep. Kashkari and Bostic both said in the last week that the Fed will force a recession if the supply chain doesn't unfuck and inflstion stays high. The only action the fed can do to fight inflation is demand destruction and destroying labor power (wages). To do those you have to have a recession. poo poo, after the FOMC Powell said expect inflation to continue to surprise through the summer. People need to listen to what is said. It is all telegraphed out.
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Mr Hootington posted:
Are they trying to lose or are they hoping the recession will be over by 2024 if they start now
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VitalSigns posted:Wasn't the Volker recession what sank Carter because everyone (rightly) blamed him for it and (wrongly) hoped Reagan would fix it because he was the other guy The Fed is independent and the President doesn't set monetary policy (see: Carter, Jimmy and Trump, Donald yelling at them to lower rates). The Volker recession was what drove down inflation from ~15% to ~3%. But, obviously, the process of getting there was extremely unpopular. It took about 4 years to fully succeed and Reagan had a very bad midterm in 1982 because of the situation.
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