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Glad to see the //Sign appreciation, years ago I kept seeing it get ripped on for being a slow-paced heavy philosophical piece about the social connections people make in a VRMMO instead of a fast-paced action show like later "trapped in an mmo" media. Though even the people who don't like it seemed to agree that the music loving owns
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I like EC Rising pretty well but I might be going easy on it because I desperately want something to fill the Suikoden-shaped hole in modern gaming. There are a lot of fetch-sidequests (mostly to upgrade the town's vendors) but I found that I already had all the items I needed to immediately complete them most of the time. Fast travel is good at decreasing the tedium for those. Combat hasn't been too difficult so far but it's becoming more interesting as I unlock new attacks and movement abilities.
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May 11, 2022 16:34
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Suikoden IV wasn't interested in explaining this goofy thing at all, but I think the next couple games imply it was the source of all the rune cannon shells used by the naval powers of the region in that era, so if you squint a lot I guess it could be taken as an arms race or nuclear proliferation metaphor since even a hundred years later people were still dealing with the leftovers Most of the Tactics scenario probably needed to be rolled into Suikoden IV for a lot of these things to make sense and just to flesh everything out properly. Except for the goat stuff, of course If I remember correctly Kika can one-shot the final tree boss with her Falcon rune if it crits, which owns
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May 11, 2022 17:18
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So because I'm an idiot, I only just realized how many JRPGs I've played and seen that have parties/ teams that already know each other before joining the team to some degree: Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Eternia, Symphonia, Abyss, Golden Sun, I assume most most if not all Fire Emblems give you a Jeigan that serve that role, Xenoblade Chronicles 1, FF 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, The Mario RPGs, DQ5 and 8, Disgaea 1 What are some other good ones that I'm missing?
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May 11, 2022 17:33
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Junpei posted:I guess I should ask since this is being written by the Suikoden guy and I'm not super familiar with that series: How grounded/political do the stories stay? Is it like Fire Emblem where it can start off political but then everything gets usurped by an Evil Super Monster that the heroes have to stop by collecting magic weapons? Is it more like Triangle Strategy where the politics are the pure focus? Or is there an even mix of the supernatural and the grounded? if you havent played the suikoden games you should go and fix that right now. skip 4 tho
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May 11, 2022 17:42
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RareAcumen posted:So because I'm an idiot, I only just realized how many JRPGs I've played and seen that have parties/ teams that already know each other before joining the team to some degree: Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Eternia, Symphonia, Abyss, Golden Sun, I assume most most if not all Fire Emblems give you a Jeigan that serve that role, Xenoblade Chronicles 1, FF 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, The Mario RPGs, DQ5 and 8, Disgaea 1 I'd say probably at least a very large minority have some sort of Childhood Friend character if not an outright majority
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May 11, 2022 17:44
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Dragon Quest 8 counts until you learn that the hero and Yangus literally just met right before the game started lmao
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May 11, 2022 18:03
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Phantasy Star feels kinda notable for never doing the childhood friends thing. You're either starting solo and building a team of (mostly) strangers like Alis and Rhys, or you've got the Alys/Chaz mentor/protege relationship and... whatever Rolf and Nei were doing, which I try not to think too hard about
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May 11, 2022 18:15
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babypolis posted:if you havent played the suikoden games you should go and fix that right now. skip 4 tho Suikoden 4 is actually pretty alright if you use a cheat to turn off random encounters.
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May 11, 2022 18:18
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FirstAidKite posted:Glad to see the //Sign appreciation, years ago I kept seeing it get ripped on for being a slow-paced heavy philosophical piece about the social connections people make in a VRMMO instead of a fast-paced action show like later "trapped in an mmo" media. it didn't help that toonami's commercials for it were all footage from the like five minutes of action that do occur
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May 11, 2022 18:20
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RareAcumen posted:So because I'm an idiot, I only just realized how many JRPGs I've played and seen that have parties/ teams that already know each other before joining the team to some degree: Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Eternia, Symphonia, Abyss, Golden Sun, I assume most most if not all Fire Emblems give you a Jeigan that serve that role, Xenoblade Chronicles 1, FF 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, The Mario RPGs, DQ5 and 8, Disgaea 1 Final Fantasy 10 has lots of pre-existing relationships.
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May 11, 2022 18:55
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Nighteyedie posted:Suikoden 4 is actually pretty alright if you use a cheat to turn off random encounters. lol what a sad indictment of a game. it's not incredible or great or wonderful if you do this, it's just alright i'm not really all that high on Suiko 5 these days either, it's fine but it takes so much inspiration from S1/S2 and it gets a little too creepy and the prologue takes so god drat long and the politics stuff is never nearly as interesting as in the other games. play 1+2, see if you like the first 2-3 chapters of each character enough in 3 to put up with the game for the 65~ hours it will ask of you, skip the rest. maybe pop into Tactics if you like strategy RPGs
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May 11, 2022 19:10
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Bongo Bill posted:Final Fantasy 10 has lots of pre-existing relationships. As does Final Fantasy 2. Your first two characters in FF3DS are also friends, if that counts. Final Fantasy XII's cast are a group of three pairs each with past relationships with each other. There are whole recruitment arcs in Ogre Battle and Tactics Ogre that depend on recruiting somebody's friend/relative first before recruiting them, but I don't know if we're counting optional recruits or not. If we are, there's also Beowulf and Reis from FFT. Lufia 1 & 2 both start with a single character then add a childhood friend/potential love interest shortly after. Also Chrono Trigger. Chrono Cross too. As for the SaGa series there's, at the very least, multiple characters from Romancing SaGa 3 and SaGa Frontier (though again SaGa games aren't generally big on "non-optional" characters). Lost Odyssey's playable party is chock-a-block with long-last family members of each other (6 out of 9 are related to at least one other party member).
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May 11, 2022 19:19
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Delsaber posted:Phantasy Star feels kinda notable for never doing the childhood friends thing. You're either starting solo and building a team of (mostly) strangers like Alis and Rhys, or you've got the Alys/Chaz mentor/protege relationship and... whatever Rolf and Nei were doing, which I try not to think too hard about Yeah, Phantasy Star never did childhood friends, just past relationships. Alys had something with Rune somewhere in the past, Kyra obviously knows Rune to a certain capacity, Rolf and Nei sorta just recently met (everyone else is strangers) in PSII, and Myau's just a good friend of Odin's in PS1. On the whole, there's a lot of strangers in the party throughout the original 4 games. There's not really enough backstory to know or care in PS3.
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May 11, 2022 20:11
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Odd Wilson posted:There's not really enough backstory to know or care in PS3. While PS3 lacks backstory, it does have time skips and generations, and it can be assumed whatever MCs you end up with Gen 2 and Gen 3 they grew up around Wren and Meiu, if nothing else
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May 11, 2022 20:38
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Phantasy Star III is a bit unique because of the generational structure. Generation 1 is mostly Rhys assembling a crew of strangers, while Gen 2 onwards can be a mix of all kinds of relationships at their starting points. I think one of the androids survives through all generations and therefore ends up with (implied, via very little dialogue) familial or friendly ties to almost everyone. It was a great concept that deserved a better game built around it. e: f;b
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May 11, 2022 20:39
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the only good thing about suikoden 4 is there's an upgrade you get that makes you run faster and the sped-up animation is very funny
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May 11, 2022 21:27
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Nighteyedie posted:Suikoden 4 is actually pretty alright if you use a cheat to turn off random encounters. Is there a way to do this for PS2 games on PCSX2?
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May 11, 2022 21:40
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I said come in! posted:Is there a way to do this for PS2 games on PCSX2? Yea PCSX2 is what I used, also has the benefit of being able to speed up the boat sections by removing the FPS cap. It has been a while since I did it, but here is a guide on how to set up the cheats: https://www.almarsguides.com/retro/walkthroughs/ps2/HowtoUsePs2Codes/PCSX2/ and I think I used the codes here, there is a no encounters cheat if you click into the Misc section. http://codetwink.com/view-cheats-4708-title-suikoden+iv.html Also found this premade file but not sure if it works: https://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Post-your-PCSX2-cheats-patches-here?page=332
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Zokari posted:the only good thing about suikoden 4 is there's an upgrade you get that makes you run faster and the sped-up animation is very funny the noise is fantastic too I said come in! posted:Is there a way to do this for PS2 games on PCSX2? it's all going to be built off of the in-emulator cheating options. look for a cheats patch for the game you want that has a no encounter code
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Looper posted:it didn't help that toonami's commercials for it were all footage from the like five minutes of action that do occur It's weird seeing people mention it in the context of toonami or adult swim because I know when I saw it it was airing as part of cartoon network's saturday block which I don't remember if it had a specific name but all of the bumpers were just very obvious homages to metroid. e: this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn-pjF1S98E FirstAidKite fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 11, 2022 |
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That block did not last long at all. Barely remember it
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I forget how long is between the text adventures and PS2 proper, but Nei's Adventure ends with her meeting Rolf/Eusis as a child and he adopts her as a little sister and she quickly grows because she's a newman.
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Man I remember trying to get into the first .hack series but goddamn that game was slower than molasses. I did watch .hack//sign and liked that despite how absolutely loving weird it was and even despite how I can only recommend that show to enough people to count on one hand, and the Legend of the Twilight was okay I guess. Also tried .hack//GU but that tournament arc in the first game absolutely defeated me with the amount of grinding they wanted out of me. ... but also I don't remember getting the Last Recode collection on Steam, but yet it is in my library. *Installs*
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Delsaber posted:Phantasy Star III is a bit unique because of the generational structure. Generation 1 is mostly Rhys assembling a crew of strangers, while Gen 2 onwards can be a mix of all kinds of relationships at their starting points. I think one of the androids survives through all generations and therefore ends up with (implied, via very little dialogue) familial or friendly ties to almost everyone. It was a great concept that deserved a better game built around it. Don't get me wrong, the generational concept was neat. It just deserved a better game that could make it shine. Phantasy Star III is just... rough.
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Odd Wilson posted:Don't get me wrong, the generational concept was neat. It just deserved a better game that could make it shine. What other games are there withe a generation/family concept? FE4, 13, and 14, the Agarest Senki games but I've heard they're horny and bad, someone mentioned a Japanese-based one a bit back, technically Rogue Legacy and it's sequel...
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Junpei posted:What other games are there withe a generation/family concept? FE4, 13, and 14, the Agarest Senki games but I've heard they're horny and bad, someone mentioned a Japanese-based one a bit back, technically Rogue Legacy and it's sequel... Generational games are kinda cursed, Agarest is pretty bad in general, Massive Chalice uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah,
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Junpei posted:What other games are there withe a generation/family concept? FE4, 13, and 14, the Agarest Senki games but I've heard they're horny and bad, someone mentioned a Japanese-based one a bit back, technically Rogue Legacy and it's sequel... Dragon Quest 5 has you start off as a little kid adventuring with your dad, grow up and get married and finally do an adventure with your kids. Massive Chalice and Wildermyth are both games with proc gen characters built around this to a certain extent where you will have heroes and play as their kids as time passes. Romancing Saga 2 has you go through a succession of characters as the game goes on who are your previous character's heirs. Rune Factory 2 starts off with a smaller prologue section where you play as the parents to the character you'll play for most of the game.
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Junpei posted:What other games are there withe a generation/family concept? FE4, 13, and 14, the Agarest Senki games but I've heard they're horny and bad, someone mentioned a Japanese-based one a bit back, technically Rogue Legacy and it's sequel... DQ5 sort of. That Oreshika game is like that isn't it?
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Gaius Marius posted:DQ5 sort of. That Oreshika game is like that isn't it? Oh, yeah Oreshika is a good call actually
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Odd Wilson posted:Don't get me wrong, the generational concept was neat. It just deserved a better game that could make it shine. PS3 has several radical ideas that would have been great if they weren't half-baked. Generational stuff is one example, another is the dynamic battle theme that changed based on how you were doing in a fight.
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Fable 3 has you play as the kid of the Fable 2 hero but uh its not a great game and it doesn't really do much with it.
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Yeah the music would have been neat if it wasn't all like, eight notes total per track
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Zore posted:Fable 3 has you play as the kid of the Fable 2 hero but uh its not a great game and it doesn't really do much with it. I think they're all related? The Fable 2 PC is a distant descendant of the first hero. I remember this because you can romance Lady Grey in both games and somebody pointed out to me how weird this would be. She's also like a zombie in Fable 2 which would just add to the weirdness.
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i forgive agarest, because they had one game where they got the summon night guys to co-develop it and it was the one game with a generation where you just straight-up play as a lesbian
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Gaius Marius posted:DQ5 sort of. That Oreshika game is like that isn't it? Oreshika was the one I meant when I said that Japanese one someone mentioned a bit back.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Yeah the music would have been neat if it wasn't all like, eight notes total per track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfj1kWwDVW0
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The Colonel posted:i forgive agarest, because they had one game where they got the summon night guys to co-develop it and it was the one game with a generation where you just straight-up play as a lesbian Oh, the PSP one that never came outside of JP, dang
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kirbysuperstar posted:Oh, the PSP one that never came outside of JP, dang If you mean Mariage, it's available on Steam.
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AngryRobotsInc posted:If you mean Mariage, it's available on Steam. oh, no poo poo hmmmmm Sucks that it's only for one generation and I'm sure it's still Agarest though
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